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Why don't I get the "never surrender" guys in the winnable matches?

StairCasexd·8/27/2017, 11:55:30 AM·50 votes·4,144 views

I've noticed now that when a match is a garanteed loss, I have people who won't surrender.
Like sometime ago, it's 21-3 (everyone lost Lane and the jungler is far behind) , the enemy team took most of our towers and the midlane inhibitor is exposed, they have a fed Vayne who's just insta bursting everyone, our team comp sucks with the only real hard CC we have is a soraka root. Somebody casts a surrender vote and the yi and our jungler spend the whole match saying "noooo just defend and farm, we have a twitch so we'll win late game". Only took 20 more minutes for the match to drag on to 41-5 until the yi and jungle realize the match is lost.

And then there's this scenario, the match is 21-22, we took down more towers and have stronger map control, we have a decent comp.

Its part of the reason I dislike having bot premades they will always hold you hostage, our bot Lane twitch and blitz can both be 0/6 with a 12/0 Vayne at 150 CS while our twitch is still at 36 and all other lanes except top lost and they'll be like "nooooo but I'm twitch pls trust me, we win late game", they can have a top Lane urgot so fed while our team is so behind that we couldn't even 4v1 urgot (and that's NOT a made up scenario, that actually happened in one of my matches about a week after his rework came out).

But when the match is even, 4/5 of the team surrenders.

And yes I know big comebacks are a thing, but you're not going to make this big comeback when your whole team is pure damage with no reliable cc (because solo Q) and when you don't even have the items to get the heavy damage. Unless the other team just starts doing dumb things or purposly throw the match.

But I only play normals, I imagine that people would use the surrender thing properly in maybe gold+

72 Comments

EkyonKun8/27/2017, 12:12:48 PM20 votes

But I only play normals, I imagine that people would use the surrender thing properly in maybe gold+

Hahahahahaha no. Unfortunate as it is, even in platinum elo (6-7% of the highest ranked players or something like that) you still get people who want to ff, despite their team being 18-7 while they're 0/3 or something. Saying stuff like "GG this game is over" non-ironically. I rarely, RARELY get intentional feeders, but I'm sure I've lost numerous games to this kind of negative attitude. Also people rarely surrender no matter how bleak things are. On the flip side, I've won a few random matches from an absolutely out of nowhere surrender by the enemy team while we were both even. Why? I have no idea. Trust me, things never get better. If anything, I think people become even less rational.

Karfuss8/27/2017, 2:42:28 PM17 votes

Meanwhale, I just never surrender.

You lose 100% of the matches you forfeit. You don't lose 100% of the matches you play.

Danjeng8/27/2017, 5:50:23 PM9 votes

I don't like surrendering, though I do it from time to time if my whole team does not enjoy the game. But as long as one other person is still playing, I will not surrender.

When I click no to surrender, I am not trying to hold my team hostage. I am not trying to troll. I realize that chances of winning are slim, but I always legitimately believe that there is a chance to win.

Even so, in the face of imminent defeat, I do not like giving up. I do get disappointed if I lose a game, but I become even more upset if I know I didn't even try. I don't just play to win. I play to my best and I enjoy it. The very concept of trying to push my limits.

I think that this perseverance is the core of a good player, regardless of rank or skill. To give your all every game regardless of the odds. Being respectful is good too.

Sraeg20138/27/2017, 6:40:09 PM4 votes

A situation I came upon yesterday.

Top is doing good, but it's Garen. Jungle is Nidalee and for the most part just sucks. I'm Talon shitting on the enemy Fizz. Leona is decent. And then there's Vayne.

Bot lane died early giving Jhin a double, so Vayne decided to run down bot and mid giving like 8 kills for free, then went AFK, then went bot to die some more.

So we're in a 3,5 vs 5 situation with basically only one stun and nobody wants to surrender. Well, fucking fine. Let's ignore the fact we haven't taken ANY objectives for the whole game for a moment.

I'm going at Jhin at bot knocking at our inner turret, he decided to go mid to join his support and iirc Fizz fighting Nidalee and Leona in a staring contest. Just when I'm about to burst Jhin he support comes in with 10000 shields and I'm like "USE PINGS".

The reaction? "Why rage about this game?"

They don't want to surrender, but don't want to win either.

What's the fucking point?

Aoc Kaosu8/27/2017, 7:50:18 PM3 votes

So this happened to me this morning.

10 minutes in, our top lane is down 2 kills and our jungle has now decided that he wants to give up because we've lost.

I'm all for surrendering if you've put in an effort and tried your best and you're just not going to win. It makes sense, I want more games, I want more practice, I feel I can only practice being behind so much and I recognise that not only my teams time but my time is valuable.

What I refuse to do however is surrender just because one person has decided we can't win. Without having put in any effort. I get it, we lost top early. Losing one lane early isn't what costs us the whole game. If you lose one lane early and that turret goes down now you just have a longer lane to play in. This means that in order to keep pushing the enemy has to extend to your next turret. I'm at a fairly low elo, and only playing in normal queue at this point. If the enemy top lane wants to over extend to my inner turret by themselves because they've pushed my top lane back, that gives me as a mid lane or support more opportunity to go gank and help.

What I also refuse to do is surrender just because one person insists on being a jerk. In the instance this morning, when the surrender vote didn't go through, rather than saying okay I'm stuck here a little longer our jungler decided he was going to just roam around the jungle, refuse to help any lane, and ultimately feed the enemy team getting repeatedly caught out. This behaviour is actually worse than sitting afk on the tower. While this was going on he flamed the team for being unwilling to give up, encouraged the enemy team to push objectives and try to end the game faster and did his best to contribute in a negative and punishing way to our team.

It took 40 minutes for the enemy team to accumulate the resources and push to end the game.

While my match history suggests I lost this game I don't view the game as a total loss. While the jungler on my team admitted in chat that he was just watching youtube videos and not helping us, I didn't lose this game. In the only way I knew how, I rebelled against the trolling of that player in a positive and constructive way. I got my A+ rating at the end of the game. I worked towards winning despite overwhelming odds and what is most important to me, I didn't give in to one player trying to use toxicity as a way to punish his team.

I don't suggest anyone else follow in my footsteps but I do hope that eventually people will grow to realise that there is more to this game than a point in the win column. How you interact with others, how you respond to the bullying and toxicity of others is much more important than the win.

Giving up without putting in effort is failure.

Losing in the face of excessive adversity is acceptable provided you give your all to try and succeed. Giving in to bullies and trolls and negativity is the only way we truly lose.

Doodlzzz8/28/2017, 2:04:22 AM2 votes

thats cause ur the never surrender guy

AetherKingdom8/28/2017, 6:47:06 AM2 votes

Agree. No one needs these people who have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for LP. Not worth staying 20 extra minutes for a 1% chance of gaining a marginal amount of LP in the long run.

JarPoop IV8/28/2017, 12:39:33 AM1 votes

Personally, I'm one of those guys who only surrender when everyone is legit having a bad time and NOT COMPLAINING about it. If someone super toxic tries to surrender, I wouldnt ever press yes. If they are gonna be toxic to people, I want as much evidence as possible when reporting them. Hell if they are gonna waste 9people's time and get away with a short game.

Also, super unsatisfaying to win surrender games Imo so I'm all up for fighting to the end if there is a chance.

All that is provided it's not ranked tho. Since I personally don't ranked

DariusDemiurge8/27/2017, 9:54:25 PM1 votes

People shouldn't queue for ranked or bother logging on if they ain't willing to play a match out until the very end.

"But muh time wasted" kid you're already playing a video game, shut up.

I really don't get that logic. Of course from what I read nowadays this season is so garbage that you don't need to surrender since majority of games are so lop sided that they end at 20 usually.

revliledpembroke8/28/2017, 5:41:42 AM1 votes

I was a laggy Leona on a team that won a 20-1 comeback once. I didn't really want to win at that point (feeling we hadn't earned it and because the ADC was a dick), but that's life.

Remember kids: if you play Leona, and you have heavy lag at the beginning of the game preventing you from doing much at all, always listen to your ADC's advice about diving onto the enemy team, especially if they have a Morg who would guarantee your death with her snare. Don't play safe and try to get levels while not dying, go full LEEROY JENKINS!!!! /sarcasm

Gentleman Jey8/28/2017, 6:35:57 AM1 votes

Too much to read.

I gave up after the title.

FioraWillCarry9/1/2017, 6:42:22 AM1 votes

Dude ranked is worse. Yea there are those guys in norms but I generally find people to be more willing to surrender shit games in normals. NEVER in ranked. Game could be 34-5 and guys in ranked would not fuckin surrender it.

ImTheSideKick8/28/2017, 8:29:28 AM1 votes

ive gone from never surrender to almost never surrender

when its 3 to 33 and I'm 2/0/1 and getting none stopped harassed because my team is pushing and dying , yeah ill /ff

other wise I play to play to play to win

Mizuki Zahra8/28/2017, 3:28:41 PM1 votes

we had half hp on nexus and i managed a cruddy penta with fiora i was 5/15 the rest were close to 10 deaths aswell, we stalled them till the 70 min mark cause of hard cc, and baron stealing and that penta got us the victory cause the death timers is what we were waiting for, dem long asss death counters at the 70 min mark lol shoved mid and a second ace then bam so it is possible to win just gotta communicate

bloodybadger18/28/2017, 5:14:28 PM1 votes

41-5 from a 21-3. yikes.

lolbannedmymain18/28/2017, 11:58:30 PM1 votes

they need to just get rid of the surrender button and leaver buster and let people leave if they want too. ps im specifically speaking for non ranked matches obviously in competitive play that wouldnt be fair for the other players but in normals or aram players shouldnt be held hostage in a match they are not having fun in when the match isnt for a ranking and is supposed to be for fun

SkyblazeHydraX38/27/2017, 10:18:23 PM1 votes

I have a personal philosophy on this matter.

For normal matches, the biggest priority is "am I having fun?". If I'm having fun and think we can win, then I'm all good for keeping a game going. But if I'm not having fun for whatever reason- tilt, toxic teammates, oppressive enemy team comp, etc- then I'm not going to want to continue. Because if I'm not having fun in a normal match, then I have no reason to not want to end the match quickly and move on to something more enjoyable, rather than continuing to waste time on something unenjoyable.

For ranked matches, there are actual stakes. There is LP gain and loss, and a desire to climb the ranked ladder. In those situations my biggest priority is trying to win and climb. During ranked, I'm not going to surrender unless I'm super tilted, teammates are exceptionally toxic, or someone is intentionally feeding/afk/something else. Because in ranked there are stakes worth trying to fight to the end for.