Need peer-review

ez adc·10/13/2019, 6:12:42 AM·1 votes·2,690 views

So I got permabanned for this, I didnt swear at the people i only pointed out what their flaws in hope that they could improve and elevate their gameplay. Game 1 In-Game ez adc: can u guys see my skin? ez adc: WTF' ez adc: IS THAT BULLSHIT ez adc: that fucking minion block ez adc: that got u the kill ez adc: nah i was running back u idiot ez adc: report bot ez adc: ty ez adc: xin why do u even bother gnaking this idiot ez adc: just gank me ez adc: she doesnt know how to play ez adc: 0/3 ez adc: with 3 ganks ez adc: how did this ez even get gold ez adc: of course ez adc: SAY YES ez adc: thus league is a fcking joke ez adc: 1/5 adc ez adc: 0/4 mid ez adc: a jg yhat doesnt even gank ez adc: do u not have cc? ez adc: she always pushed up ez adc: ur actually blind if u dont see it ez adc: how? ez adc: nah i was waiting for him to come into my shrooms ez adc: but xin why would i fight ez adc: u dont provide any damage ez adc: so no point right ez adc: report adc ty Game 2 Pre-Game ez adc: ill do my job and one shot adc ez adc: and amybe luc too ez adc: but u guys ahve to do yours and kill the rest In-Game ez adc: agith ff ez adc: top fed ez adc: how does a gold nasus feed a silver ez adc: boosted ez adc: nvm he trolling ez adc: hes trollin bro ez adc: please ez adc: nasus just admit it ez adc: ur trolling ez adc: u see ez adc: fiora ez adc: he just flashed for no reason ez adc: please report ez adc: lol this kaisa doestn even know how to farm ez adc: bro ur gold 4 ez adc: you actually have no room to talk ez adc: anyways report this nasus ez adc: how am i trolling? ez adc: dont push lane ez adc: do you know how to not push? ez adc: you really think im the one trolling? ez adc: wow u must have gotten boosted ez adc: she doesnt know how to farm ez adc: LOL ez adc: the kai sa hits minions ez adc: instead of jhin ez adc: and u think im trolling ez adc: u deserve silver ez adc: lol stfu xin ez adc: u cant even jg ez adc: account buying? ez adc: boosting ez adc: HOW DID THIS NASUS LOOSE TO THIS SHIT FIORA ez adc: and nasus ez adc: standing in base ez adc: afk ez adc: yes go troll some more ez adc: ty ez adc: lol xin inting too ez adc: has ult ez adc: never uses Game 3 In-Game ez adc: ty ez adc: that real great ez adc: ty kass ez adc: WHY CHASE ez adc: ff 15 ez adc: panth stop feeding ez adc: LEARN HOW TO WARD ez adc: ah yes ez adc: u fed him ez adc: 0/4 ez adc: bro u lost lost hahahaha ez adc: cause u dont know how to ward ez adc: morg hasnt hit a single q ez adc: cross faded ez adc: or delusional

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InsaneWind10/13/2019, 6:18:10 AM3 votes

So do you in most games where someone isn't playing well say to report them? because that is by Riot games considered a form of harassment and is a ban-able offense if you do it enough and get reported enough for it. Also you were a bit of a dick in chat so that also has something to do with it. With this being a Perm ban that means you are also a repeat offender.

You called your Nasus in one game boosted (less toxic way of saying he is garbage but people still know what you mean).

Questioned how someone even got into gold, pointed out peoples scores nothing you said was constructive criticism at all.

So yeah likely earned that ban.

Upgrades10/13/2019, 7:20:55 AM3 votes

Calling someone boosted is not helping them improve or elevate their gameplay like you apparently claimed to do. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Umbral Regent10/13/2019, 6:13:03 PM1 votes

Since it was requested the other day, I'm going to make good on my offer of a peer review. Apologies that it took a while to get around to writing this up, but, what can you do?

ez adc: WTF' ez adc: IS THAT BULLSHIT ez adc: that fucking minion block ez adc: that got u the kill

This, I'd like to point out, may potentially be flagged as negativity, though I imagine one-off exclamations like these tend to be regarded the same as "GG EZ" - not enough to warrant a punishment on its own, but likely could contribute to a punishment in the light of other behavior.

ez adc: nah i was running back u idiot ez adc: report bot

Insults and report-rallying; the first line, you could've been well enough off without calling whomever an idiot. As for the report-rallying; more reports do not increase the likelihood of a punishment, and the IFS only needs one report to trigger a review; there's no real benefit to having more reports filed against a single player, and consequently, report-rallying can be flagged as a form of harassment.

ez adc: xin why do u even bother gnaking this idiot ez adc: just gank me ez adc: she doesnt know how to play ez adc: 0/3 ez adc: with 3 ganks ez adc: how did this ez even get gold

Insults (calling someone an idiot and exclaiming that they don't know how to play), score-shaming, and passive-aggressive insults ("how did this ez even get gold); none of those behaviors are acceptable.

ez adc: thus league is a fcking joke ez adc: 1/5 adc ez adc: 0/4 mid ez adc: a jg yhat doesnt even gank ez adc: do u not have cc? ez adc: she always pushed up ez adc: ur actually blind if u dont see it

This seems to be the point where the first game's chat log just devolves into negativity, insults, flaming, & arguing.

ez adc: but xin why would i fight ez adc: u dont provide any damage ez adc: so no point right ez adc: report adc ty

And it's capped off with more arguing and another call for reports.


ez adc: agith ff ez adc: top fed ez adc: how does a gold nasus feed a silver ez adc: boosted ez adc: nvm he trolling ez adc: hes trollin bro ez adc: please ez adc: nasus just admit it ez adc: ur trolling ez adc: u see ez adc: fiora ez adc: he just flashed for no reason ez adc: please report

Game 2 starts off pretty quickly with flaming and report-rallying. Regardless of whether or not someone is legitimately trolling, flaming them, calling for reports, & calling for surrenders isn't going to help anything. In fact, if they are trolls, you're basically giving them exactly what they want - a reaction. So by flaming them, you're basically telling them that you're easy pickings and validating their trolling.

It's Internet 101: "Don't feed the troll".

ez adc: lol this kaisa doestn even know how to farm ez adc: bro ur gold 4 ez adc: you actually have no room to talk ez adc: anyways report this nasus ez adc: how am i trolling? ez adc: dont push lane ez adc: do you know how to not push? ez adc: you really think im the one trolling? ez adc: wow u must have gotten boosted ez adc: she doesnt know how to farm

The flaming continues, moving on to harassing Kai'Sa, rank-shaming (or, moreover, leveraging rank to insult someone), more report-rallying, and detrimental arguments.

ez adc: the kai sa hits minions ez adc: instead of jhin ez adc: and u think im trolling ez adc: u deserve silver ez adc: lol stfu xin ez adc: u cant even jg ez adc: account buying? ez adc: boosting ez adc: HOW DID THIS NASUS LOOSE TO THIS SHIT FIORA ez adc: and nasus ez adc: standing in base ez adc: afk ez adc: yes go troll some more ez adc: ty ez adc: lol xin inting too ez adc: has ult ez adc: never uses

And at no point for the rest of Game 2 does it ever get any better. You quite literally spent the entirety of that match flaming and harassing your teammates.


ez adc: WHY CHASE ez adc: ff 15

Game 3, while shorter, does of course still contain misbehavior, starting with the above negativity. Nobody really wants to hear people exclaim that they want to surrender at 15 - as it were, people rather dislike those who can't commit to a match and readily opt for surrender when things start going sour.

ez adc: panth stop feeding ez adc: LEARN HOW TO WARD ez adc: ah yes ez adc: u fed him ez adc: 0/4

Harassment, score-shaming, and directed negativity.

ez adc: bro u lost lost hahahaha ez adc: cause u dont know how to ward ez adc: morg hasnt hit a single q

And more negativity and harassment both.


Between these three matches, you show a readiness to harass and insult your teammates when they underperform, and a consistent degree of negativity alongside it. And since this was, as you said in your previous post, a few days following your 14-day ban being cleared, this behavior is more than enough to warrant the permanent suspension.

...I didnt swear at the people i only pointed out what their flaws in hope that they could improve and elevate their gameplay.

Unfortunately, the way you went about doing so wasn't actually conducive to them improving. Nobody's going to improve if they're being called "idiot", or being chewed out for "feeding" or being basically yelled at that they need to "LEARN HOW TO WARD"; flaming and harassing players isn't going to help them improve, and, unsurprisingly, there is terminology to describe such a counterproductive method of trying to help others;

Destructive Criticism.

Criticism delivered with the intent to break (people) down, rather than to build them up. While there is certainly something to be said about people needing to know that they're screwing up in order to improve, that's basically all that you were doing. And that's what separates Destructive Criticism from Non-Constructive Criticsm, as well; non-constructive criticism is pointing out issues or flaws; destructive criticism is hammering at them to ill-effect.

If you're wanting to try and help people improve, you're going to have to practice Constructive Criticism; you have to build them up, not break them down. It's one thing to tell someone that they messed up, but it's another thing to help them figure out how to do better next time and encourage them to keep going. That's what constructive criticism is, and it's the most effective form of criticism one can offer.

If people are going to improve and do better, they need encouragement that they can. Calling people "idiots" is not encouraging. They need to have a direction to go in regards to their improvement, they need to know what they should be doing; "Learn to ward" is something so broad and general as to be virtually useless as advice.

There's much more to giving advice and criticism than that, of course; delivery and accepting when people aren't ready to improve are both necessary skills as well, but at the core of it, if your goal is to help others improve, then the biggest problem is the way you're going about it.

FioraWillCarry10/21/2019, 11:06:12 PM1 votes

Nasus losing to Fiora should be bannable. No way someone in Gold could be that noob. That HAS to be a troll.