How do you convince teammates of a sure thing?

Kevon G·12/6/2017, 5:02:55 PM·2 votes·324 views

I've been having the same problem in most of my Ivern games; I take my enemy's north buff at level 1, to force an invade on my south buff, and communicate that it will go down like this.

I ask my team to ward the area before heading to lane, which often does not happen, and when I'm sure the enemy jungler is in our jungle, they don't collapse or even respond. Most of the time the opportunity for first blood / saving buff just goes to waste, and in some cases my botlane even fall to the obvious gank that follows.

If you were my bot/midlaner, what would I need to say to you?

I play in lower Platinum elo so it's likely not a problem of understanding, but of stubbornness.

3 Comments

ValyrianBlade12/6/2017, 6:24:25 PM2 votes

I guess you should tell them at the start of the game that you play a lot of Ivern and that the enemy jungler almost ALWAYS responds to your invade on his north camp by invading your south camp. Say you want them to be ready to respond at 2:45 (or whatever time it normally goes down at) and to have pressured the wave so that they're ready.

Half the problem is preparation. I tell my mid laners I plan to gank them after 1 camp as level 2 JarvanIV , so what ends up happening is they push the wave trying to rush level 2 for the gank. NOT what I wanted. Then the enemy mids caster minions end up only slightly too far back that they give vision when I circle behind the mid lane walls. I didn't get it for ages why all my mids did the same thing - I'd tell them I'm coming right away (thinking it meant to let the enemy push) but in reality it was my fault because they took it as "push hard for level 2".

So I think your issue is that your laners don't know when this invade is expected to happen. Do they need to push out their lane hard, or freeze it, or let it push? Maybe they let it push at the start and now there are too many minions for them to go. Or they pushed out and got caught trading heavily and are afraid the enemy jungler will insta-gib them. All I can say is that the more specific you are, the more confidence that should instill in your team and allow them to respond appropriately.

"Push your first wave kind of hard and kill a few creeps of the second wave, then give up the last 2 casters and come respond to the invade at 2:45 so we can get a free first blood + triple buff + they lose their buff".

OnlyYouCanHearMe12/6/2017, 6:09:35 PM1 votes

Well, it's not always possible for the bot lane to roam up to chase a kill. Depending on what is happening in bot lane at that point, there may be too many minions that they can't afford to miss the exp, or they may be actively involved in trading with the enemy adc/support and don't want to risk a 3v2 if the midlaner hasn't already moved to collapse. There's just so many ways that it could play out to be "not worth," that I can honestly see why they would be reluctant.

I may only be in Silver, but there's no way I would want to waste my ward charge for a potential invade, and then not have it for the lane bush or river. As the Support, I cannot abandon my vision duties in lane for something like that. And your team may be thinking along those lines. Not to mention, trinket wards don't last that long. Even if they did trinket the buff, it would probably be down before the enemy laner made it up to their north buff, saw it was taken, and made their way down to your south buff.