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Honor level 0 IS literally psychological torture

IGaNkNuBz·10/19/2019, 4:13:29 PM·6 votes·3,130 views

If you have 0 honor, You are everyone's bitch quite literally. Anyone can say/do anything to you and you have to take it, you can never defend yourself or respond with the same aggression given to you, and if you do you are banned but he is not because he doesn't have 0 honor.

I got banned once about 2 years ago for triggering the system with kys (full chat log was :"kys"- "jk, I love you"- and I received a 2 week ban )- have been 0 honor ever since because there's always 1 in those 50 games that you do bad and everyone reports you/flames you and you go on the defensive. Or you get trolled in game / griefed and you tell the person off but you get banned and he doesn't.

so imagine someone who is addicted to this game, they have to literally go through the psychological torment of being harassed without being able to say anything. It is honestly extremely frustrating and literally is psychological abuse.

Your options are to completely remove chat from the game, so ban yourself before you get banned or, quit the game.

My friends keep begging me to play but I can't, I honestly can't deal with the fact that someone can tell me to go fuck my mother or kill my brother, but my report has 0 effect and I can't even defend myself. It's stupid. Now the counter argument is someone with 0 honor deserves to be psychologically tormented because they have done it to others. maybe, but if that's the case aren't we just encouraging toxic behavior?

Not to mention there is no specific guideline that tells you what warrants a chat restriction, so you must live in fear of saying anything moderately offensive, Which is fine IF EVERYONE HAD TO FOLLOW THOSE SAME GUIDELINES- but they don't. Right now If i made a new account and copied the chat logs from the games I got banned on my 0 honor account I would receive no bans. Thereby indicating that it's not the action itself that gets you banned or chat restricted, but the status of your account.

the 0 honor thing lasts way too long, and is literally a basis for psychological torment- I understand staying on your toes for you know 35- 50 games maybe, or you know a month or two... But It takes about a year to get out of honor level 0 and more than 500 games, especially if you don't play 17 times a day. So that means every time I would log onto league I have a legitimate fear of psychological abuse by the "non-toxic" community.

I'm not saying it's impossible, just saying it's torment, torture and abuse. I can really imagine someone losing their sanity over this, this is the stuff school shootings are made of- no joke- you have a feeling of no power, whilst you are abused for extended periods of time. This literally constitutes a mental breakdown. I think someone could legitimately go insane if they are addicted to league they could potentially snap and this would have real world consequences.

Maybe i'm overreacting, but I personally feel that league is too stressing on my psyche. Maybe it's because I have experience with being bullied and being powerless in a situation where you are mocked, harassed and abused. For me this feels the same, I am being bullied and anytime I try to stand up for myself I get banned and silenced akin to the bully physically hitting me when I try to verbally fight back.

Like I said there are multiple solutions to this problem but I don't believe any of them are rational or even normal especially if you like league of legends and have invested money in it.- The options as I understand them are : make a new account, remove all/allied chat, or quit the game of league of legends.

any other choice results in you being psychologically tormented without an outlet, so you must either take the abuse -and let it build up until you eventually snap and go back to 0 honor, unless you have patience of a saint. (Lord help me)

The system is designed to crush your soul, I have no will to play this game. I'm not toxic but having been bullied I know the only way to stop a bully is to stand up to them. Bullies are cowards and Riot this system is definitely encouraging bullying.

Just permaban the 0 honor players, it's a less brutal process and less psychologically straining . I'm thanking god I'm not addicted to the game so i can quit whenever it gets too intense, not to mention if you started permanently banning people you would be forced to watch their games, pay more attention and take into consideration the feelings of the humans who are playing your game. A machine can't understand context, but a human can.

Imagine being banned, but receiving a message saying "we understand that you had a bad game, the pyke launched you unto dragons pit and purposely griefed you, but you going afk and griefing the rest of your team was unacceptable, what did they do to deserve that?" "So we have given you a 1 week ban as well as given the pyke a 3 day ban for this issue- we hope you this will encourage you to be more tolerant of other situations like this and perhaps handle it in a better way- for example reporting him after the game. "

I would totally understand and would be more likely to handle the situation in a better way knowing that the report system is fair and working and that people understand my feelings knowing I'm not just a number but I'm also a customer.

I also don't believe in letting yourself be bullied, always stand up for yourself- in all the games where I got chat restricted I would be getting harassed by someone throughout the whole game, or I would be getting griefed and would tell them exactly what I thought. When I would respond in a verbally aggressive manner the abuse would stop, this is two humans arguing as opposed to one man brutally beating down another. So why would it make sense that only one person gets banned, that's like someone starting a fight with you and you getting thrown in jail because you were stronger and won the fight. That is not equality and it does not promote a non-toxic environment. It's an imbalance in power that protects the bullies and people who abuse the system.

This my 2 cents, having really tried for the past year to avoid toxicity and bring my honor back from 0. Utilizing the /ignore all command as much as possible and trying to tolerate my mother being insulted in every way imaginable. I have to admit defeat, I honestly cannot handle the psychological strain I am too weak to play this game. I cannot relive my experience of being bullied through a video game after I worked so hard to escape that reality.

I propose Riot should make a 10 commandments type of thing that completely lists all offenses one can make that would warrant a chat ban or otherwise. ( BE SPECIFIC) This way everyone is equal under the Riot law, and the report system won't feel so one sided as One can refer to the charter and make a ticket so that justice is served. This would remove some of the powerlessness one feels as a 0 honor plebeian.

Also one last thing, tilting your opponents by saying stupid but not obscene things shouldn't warrant a ban, making your opponents lose concentration is a valid tactic called "mind games". it is used in official sports like basketball, football, hell even Boxing. SO i say if Muhammad Ali can do it, we should be able to do it too.

TL;DR: I think the 0 honor system lasts too long, encourages bullying and forces people to go through unnecessary psychological strain/torment. Also think riot should make a 10 commandments type of thing that completely and specifically lists all offenses one can make that would warrant a chat ban or otherwise.

Much love from the man who clearly can't control his blood-lust.

~IGanknubz

63 Comments

Jhins Girlfriend10/19/2019, 4:33:38 PM10 votes

I'm not saying it's impossible, just saying it's torment, torture and abuse. I can really imagine someone losing their sanity over this, this is the stuff school shootings are made of- no joke- you have a feeling of no power, whilst you are abused for extended periods of time. This literally constitutes a mental breakdown. I think someone could legitimately go insane if they are addicted to league they could potentially snap and this would have real world consequences.

Please seek help. I'm not being sarcastic when I say this is seriously unhealthy and saying stuff like this can probably get you on a list somewhere.

If the game is affecting you this much you need to stop playing and look for professional help as soon as possible.

Pika Fox10/19/2019, 4:22:10 PM6 votes

.... Heres the thing; you responding is why you got honor 0 in the first place. Mute, report, move on. You "defending yourself" is just as bad as them flaming you.

Umbral Regent10/19/2019, 5:31:36 PM5 votes

Anyone can say/do anything to you and you have to take it, you can never defend yourself...

No, you can totally defend yourself. You have the mute feature. You simply elect not to use it in favor of...

...or respond with the same aggression given to you...

Counterflaming. You're choosing to counterflame, not defend yourself. When you respond to flamers in kind, you are not defending yourself. You are flaming back, and consequently, no better than the flamer.

...and if you do you are banned but he is not because he doesn't have 0 honor.

This statement looks like it's assuming that the punishment tiers are tied to your Honor Level; they aren't. Someone could be Honor Level 1 and be just as likely to be banned as someone at Honor Level 0; the Honor Levels are not in and of themselves indicative of people's punishment status.

Hell, you could be Honor Level 0 and only be on the verge of a 14-day ban. Your Honor Level drops when you get punished, while your punishment status is unaffected by your Honor Level.

So at the end of the day, you don't know whether or not someone would be banned if punished, and Honor is by no means an indicator to that effect.

I got banned once about 2 years ago for triggering the system with kys (full chat log was :"kys"- "jk, I love you"- and I received a 2 week ban )

And that was a just punishment; you don't get exemption from the rules just because you say "JK". Breaking the rules as a joke is still breaking the rules.

  • have been 0 honor ever since because there's always 1 in those 50 games that you do bad and everyone reports you/flames you and you go on the defensive.

We've already seen that you're not really going on the defensive. To quote you; you're "responding with the same aggression given to you". That's not going on the defensive, that's going on the offensive. Flaming.

And as it were, you're not going to regain Honor at all if you continually resort to flaming people. It doesn't matter if they flamed first, or if they flamed you harder, flaming is against the rules, and it's not honorable conduct.

Or you get trolled in game / griefed and you tell the person off but you get banned and he doesn't.

They may get punished even without the system telling you; the Instant Feedback Report tries to make sure that the match in question is in recent memory before being sent out, since it could cause confusion if you were told that someone you reported was punished, and the only person you reported recently was a week or so ago.

Regardless of whether or not you know someone is punished, them breaking the rules, again, does not give you a free pass to break the rules yourself.

so imagine someone who is addicted to this game, they have to literally go through the psychological torment of being harassed without being able to say anything. It is honestly extremely frustrating and literally is psychological abuse.

First of all, that is one hell of a mess of hyperbolic statements.

Second; you literally have the mute feature, which can literally block out any further psychological abuse from people flaming you, and you are literally ignoring its existence in favor of the short-lived vindication of counterflaming.

Don't act like you don't have the tools to mitigate harm, and definitely don't act like the only way you can stay sane is to flame and rant and rave and shout down anyone and everyone who says "boo".

And if League of Legends is proving so psychologically torturous, if you're truly addicted to the game; seek help. Put a stop to your pain and get help to quit.

...but my report has 0 effect and I can't even defend myself(sic).

If someone's flaming you, your report has effect. The issue is that you have no idea how far along towards a punishment they are, so that could be their first instance of flaming and you wouldn't know. Do not confuse your lack of information for the system not working.

And, I'll repeat it ad nauseum; you're not defending yourself. You're flaming back. Defending yourself is using the mute feature.

Now the counter argument is someone with 0 honor deserves to be psychologically tormented because they have done it to others. maybe, but if that's the case aren't we just encouraging toxic behavior?

Exactly nobody is saying that Honor Level 0 players deserve to be treated like shit. You're posing it as an argument of your own to combat without anyone even suggesting it; effectively, you're pulling a strawman argument.

Not to mention there is no specific guideline that tells you what warrants a chat restriction...

No specific guideline? None at all? No Code of Conduct which you agree to with every patch, no Summoner's Code that you're encouraged to read and follow when you create your account?

You not caring to look for behavioral guidelines does not mean there are no guidelines.

...Which is fine IF EVERYONE HAD TO FOLLOW THOSE SAME GUIDELINES- but they don't.

They do. Again; the system works, and people are held to the same rules, you simply don't understand how the system works. Even the regulars here on PB only have a basic grasp of the system; only Riot knows exactly how it works, and we understand largely from what tidbits about the system they share with us.

Perhaps, rather than making sweeping assumptions about how the system works, take a moment to consider how much you actually understand of it and ask others how the system works? You might be surprised about what information you're missing.

Right now If i made a new account and copied the chat logs from the games I got banned on my 0 honor account I would receive no bans.

If you're referring to the "kys" thing you mentioned earlier, I guarantee you you'd get banned again even on a fresh account. Zero tolerance offenses like that will always result in a 14-day ban on the first verified offense, no matter the status of the account.

Thereby indicating that it's not the action itself that gets you banned or chat restricted, but the status of your account.

Technically, the account status does matter, but not in the way you think. You're thinking that it's tied to Honor Level, but it's not. And, believe it or not; the action itself matters too. Negativity, flaming, and zero-tolerance offenses all have varying degrees of severity, and how severe the offense is does in fact have an impact on what type of punishment you receive.

Flaming can get you punished quicker, zero-tolerance offenses will always result in a ban, and negativity is treated more leniently by the system than flaming; albeit, it's still ultimately punished all the same.

As for the status of your account; that does, to a degree, play a part in whether or not you get punished. The severity of your offenses leading up to a punishment create a behavioral history, and that behavioral history is what your actions get weighed against before the IFS decides whether or not to punish you. The actual punishment tiers are something vaguely akin to negative milestones for your behavioral history, and continuously getting punished and reaching higher punishment tiers make the system ever-less lenient when considering whether or not it should punish you based off of your most recent offense.

...so you must either take the abuse -and let it build up until you eventually snap and go back to 0 honor, unless you have patience of a saint. (Lord help me)

You have the mute feature. You do not have to sit and take abuse, you can effectively silence abusive communications with the press of a button. If you are not using the mute feature, you are not taking the steps you should to prevent harm.

Just permaban the 0 honor players...

This lends credence to your supposition that you might be overreacting. You're basically saying "I've been stuck at Honor Level 0 because I would rather flame back than mute players, and because it's agonizing I think Riot should simply permaban people who are Honor Level 0 without any real reason."

Between all the hyperbolic fluff about League being psychologically abusive and torturous and addicting, I'm going to be blunt; yes. You're overreacting.

...not to mention if you started permanently banning people you would be forced to watch their games, pay more attention and take into consideration the feelings of the humans who are playing your game. A machine can't understand context, but a human can.

If you're proposing that Riot make a broad sweep and simply permaban all players at HL0, then they wouldn't be watching those players' games; they'd just look at any account below Honor Level 1 and permanently suspend it.

Beyond that, even if Riot did have to watch through people's matches, it doesn't matter what kind of stuff you've had to deal with - Riot and the community both believe that you alone are responsible for your own actions, and that other people misbehaving doesn't give you the freedom to misbehave yourself.

Even if it gives Riot understanding of the situation, it still wouldn't change the fact that those players broke the rules and deserved punishment.

Imagine being banned, but receiving a message saying "we understand that you had a bad game, the pyke launched you unto dragons pit and purposely griefed you, but you going afk and griefing the rest of your team was unacceptable, what did they do to deserve that?" "So we have given you a 1 week ban as well as given the pyke a 3 day ban for this issue- we hope you this will encourage you to be more tolerant of other situations like this and perhaps handle it in a better way- for example reporting him after the game. "

Riot can't custom-tailor punishment messages to cover any and every situation that pisses players off. And even if they could, who's to say that doing so would be remotely effective? This entire time, you've been pointedly ignoring the existence of the mute feature for the whole post, and insisting that the only way you can reach catharsis under stress is to just flame people back when they start flaming you.

I'll have to continue this in another comment;

Dynikus10/19/2019, 4:39:22 PM5 votes

there's always 1 in those 50 games that you do bad and everyone reports you/flames you and you go on the defensive. Or you get trolled in game / griefed and you tell the person off but you get banned and he doesn't.

No friend, that's just you, which is why you're honor 0.

they have to literally go through the psychological torment of being harassed without being able to say anything. It is honestly extremely frustrating and literally is psychological abuse.

You're making this out to be far more extreme than it is.

KFCeytron10/20/2019, 2:19:16 AM3 votes

No one is allowed to flame back, regardless of Honor level. The advice on encountering a toxic player is the same for everyone: mute the offending player if it's a chat offense, try to focus on the game, don't join in on breaking the rules, and report them after the game. If you feel "tortured" by having to behave yourself rather than flaming more than the Human Torch, I do agree that you should find something else to do with your time.

You are certainly allowed to defend yourself from toxic chat, which is accomplished by muting. This is a 100% effective method. Flaming back is a 0% effective method that also constitutes unacceptable behavior and thus opens you up to reports and punishments. Read about this in more detail here.

Lęmon10/19/2019, 9:02:59 PM3 votes

im honor level 0 and I,,dont feel the same way. I've never experienced verbal abuse from other players,,I took my ban and it's not that big of an issue. I've just learned to not be an ass?? And it has gone up pretty fast for me..

SammyDayspring10/20/2019, 2:37:43 AM2 votes

You don't seem to have learned your lesson. The real problem here is that you let what other people say affect you so much. Why does it matter? You keep using the word "defend", but do you really need to defend anything? Their words only mean something if you let them. You have all the power you need, and it has nothing to do with the nasty things you say back to other people. You can't control other people. You can only control yourself. Until you learn that, it would be better to stay at level 0 because that seems to be the only way you will behave.

Jennifer42010/20/2019, 1:39:05 AM2 votes

theres sooo much wrong in this post... just in the first 2 sections.

your honor level isnt linked to what youre allowed to do. your honor level is hidden, noone can see it. -> btw this point is the most important one as it makes your entire thread pointless. your entire thread is basically "Ppl know im honor lv 0 and thus torture me" well they dont know it as only you can see it on your profile. also you can still play the game like normal no matter your honor level.

2 years of honor lv 0? how even?

removing the chat from the game wont get you banned, after years riot even made it an option you can use. i dont think riot gives you an option that gets you banned if you use it.

the "effect of a report" isnt linked to your honor level either. actually all reports have the same effect. (tho i do have to say it is weird how many times i actually read someone wishing death or rape to family members)

actually new accounts are under a harsher reign cause riot knows of toxic smurfs. accs below a certain level get punishements quicker. but yes if you copy your chatlogs to a fresh lv 30 acc, you might not get a punishement CAUSE IT WOULD BE LEGIT YOUR FIRST OFFENSE while your current acc, you seem to be (mildly) toxic on a consistent level (not climbing in honor level for 2 years proves that)

i made a post where i came back to honor level 2 in ~ 4 months. and i play between 1-5 games a day.

as alrdy said by "jhins girlfriend", saying stuff like this inspires school shooting might be risky in america you know. and also yes, consider getting help.

maybe quitting the game is a good option for you.

ignoring that old tribunal was slow and many ppl didnt take it serious, it still showed me that the majority agrees: dont be toxic. no matter what.

one thing i agree on: the report system could give more insight. its frustrating when you get the feedback messages maybe once every 3-4 months. i wanna see that my reports did something.

i also agree on standing up for yourself. but this is online chat. how about you mute the person and thats it?

man i rarely type these long comments. and i dont even know why i did i just felt like it i guess.

all i can say is: the system works different than you think, use the mute feature, give us more feedback on reports and go harsher when it comes to trolls.

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edit: stuff id like to add based on your comments:

you wanna be put to honor lv 2 as a "test" if you get banned -> make a new account. then you are honor lv 2.

again as said by jhins gf, you are not tortured. you can stop and leave at any time without consequences. noone stops you. you are not locked up in a cell getting whipped.

id love to play on your acc to show you h0 isnt cursed. but i cant. acc share = ban for real.

ps: i wonder if mods delete this thread

Mac Tíre10/19/2019, 4:24:51 PM2 votes

Ressurect The Tribunal Sysytem!!!

Urbosa10/20/2019, 7:44:33 PM1 votes

As someone who's been honor level 0 before, it's really not that bad. Just don't be toxic. People are going to always come at you from every which way not just in the game but in life, it's up to you to just ignore them. If you're really that upset about NOT being able to be toxic, then that's a personal problem. Just mute everyone in the game.

IGaNkNuBz10/19/2019, 6:48:07 PM1 votes

I'd like to propose a test, Put my honor back at level 3 or 2 and SEE if i get banned within the next 2 years.

I Can guarantee I will not get banned, it is 100% because of the honor level 0, any other reasoning is just an excuse.

Before I got my 2 week suspension, I had never been banned.

Suddenly I am banned for everything anytime I USE the chat.

There is a definitely a correlation between honor level 0 and chat restrictions.

I challenge people to play on my account, and even lightly disagree with anyone in my games- It's A BAN.