I don't think this 14 day ban was justified.

Lefsa·8/10/2019, 10:47:41 AM·2 votes·2,573 views

obviously i've been chat restricted 3 times, but recently I have been watching what I've said a lot more to try and not get a further offence, but this last one I just don't think is justified. To give some context, my toplane Karthus went 0/8/0 and all-chatted telling the enemy team where he was saying "im in bush holding e so I wont get banned for afk". At this point everybody is high strung and my midlaner starts using racial slurs and at this point all I can do is laugh. Anyways here's the chat log but I REALLY don't understand how I said anything worth banning me over. Was what I was saying PC or Kosher? not really, but I don't think it justifies a 14 day ban. Game 1 In-Game Lefsa: care invade Lefsa: karthus Lefsa: is aery better for lane Lefsa: than dark ahrvent? Lefsa: ik Lefsa: im not doubting u Lefsa: just asking Lefsa: dh worse? Lefsa: i dont knwo Lefsa: what sums Lefsa: he has Lefsa: srry Lefsa: LMAO Lefsa: no wonder u failed ur promos Lefsa: ? Lefsa: ur 0/4/0 Lefsa: dont type tom me Lefsa: like you actually have good decision making Lefsa: lmao Lefsa: 0/4/0 supp Lefsa: mid who fails promos and cries Lefsa: toxic Lefsa: toplaner afk Lefsa: flame junjgle tho Lefsa: i get it Lefsa: its fine tho im not insecure its just funny Lefsa: nice yorick winrate bro Lefsa: but ur trundle jungle Lefsa: sucked so badly Lefsa: we all made fun of u in all chat LMAO Lefsa: karthus is just afk in base cause yorick called him the n word lmao Lefsa: they just flaming eachother Lefsa: comparing winrates Lefsa: lmao Lefsa: karthus is actually afk tho pls report Lefsa: and yorick for toxic racism Lefsa: lmao karth Lefsa: nobody cares Lefsa: its funny tbh Lefsa: i was pretty sure you were gonna int Lefsa: when u died 1v1 level one Lefsa: lmao Lefsa: i guess d4 is ur peak Lefsa: i think the funniest part of this is that although karthus is intentionally feeding Lefsa: janna has died just as much Lefsa: LMAO Lefsa: i was equal in cs Lefsa: ? Lefsa: check replay Lefsa: youre wrong Lefsa: its ok tho Lefsa: lmao Lefsa: nah i was equal in cs at 6 Lefsa: i ganked bot but janna lanes are useless Lefsa: shes an egirl champ Lefsa: but apparently not easy enoguh for u Lefsa: its alright dude Lefsa: we get it Lefsa: your dick is huge Lefsa: youre very good Lefsa: volibear had 3 winning lanes Lefsa: if you think i got shit on Lefsa: ur insane Lefsa: he didnt win top Lefsa: top literally died solo Lefsa: 4 times Lefsa: bot lane is literally ungankable Lefsa: bcause we have a janna Lefsa: you dont even think' Lefsa: before u speak Post-Game Lefsa: good luck in platg 2!

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Kei1438/10/2019, 11:05:28 AM3 votes

The system doesn't punish based on severity alone. It punishes based on consistency x severity, meaning you can be punished for 1 game of extreme toxicity or many many games of mild toxicity.

This game is decently minor, which shows me that you probably exhibit a similar behavior in your games. Maybe 1 in 6-7 games?

There also is a punishment escalating ladder, meaning the more often you get punished, the higher the ladder you'll climb. It has 4 tiers;

  1. 10 game chat restriction
  2. 25 game chat restriction
  3. 14-day ban
  4. Permaban

At this point, your account is on thin ice and any little toxicity within your game can get you punished.

In this game you displayed the following ofenses;

  • condescending attitude
  • kda and rank shaming
  • threats of report
  • accusation of inting
  • passive aggressiveness
Dr Cat Pooch8/11/2019, 6:51:09 PM2 votes

Why did you goad your team members into fighting each other? Why are fighting teammates better than cooperating teammates? You brought up winrates and promo losses and gave them bullets to shoot at each other, and having your team dead loses games.

The number one thing you did wrong was TYPE SO MUCH. You spent all of these keystrokes typing instead of using skills, CSing, moving into good positions, or even saying anything helpful to your team like where an enemy is, if a buff is up, if your ss cds are up, NOTHING. So much wasted time, it becomes throwing. Even if what you said wasn't incredibly toxic (WHICH IT WAS) you still could've gotten punished for typing so much because you wasted so much time it's like being afk.

Lefsa8/10/2019, 10:53:13 AM1 votes

The game in question is the second to most recent on my account by the way.

TJWW8/10/2019, 3:03:35 PM1 votes

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KFCeytron8/10/2019, 8:43:39 PM1 votes

So, it has come to this: someone displayed misbehavior in a LoL match in flagrant disregard for the game's rules, ToS, EULA, and Summoner's Code. That's unfortunate, and I'm sorry you had to deal with it. If this misbehavior happened in chat (including emotes or ping) and they don't respond positively to a single, courteous, constructive request to focus on the game, your best option is to mute that player. Submit a report after the match. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by asking them to keep it down and then notifying library staff and moving to another area.

Do not respond with misbehavior of your own! If you do that, your teammates may mute and report you, and those reports would be valid. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by getting into a shouting match with them. Just because someone else started it doesn't justify you in continuing it. I'm sure you're familiar with the "s/he started it" trope, where two children get into an argument or fight and then try to claim innocence of any wrongdoing by claiming that they didn't instigate it. As any parent, teacher, or other supervisor of children will tell you, that excuse doesn't fly. When Dad is trying to drive you to Disneyland and your annoying brother starts making faces at you as he's previously been told not to, you should calmly ask him to stop, and then, if that doesn't work, calmly notify your parents of the problem. Making faces at him or shouting at him has never been a good way to get him to stop, and it makes you just as guilty of that as he.

Riot doesn't care who started it. Someone else's misbehavior does not justify your own.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

  • Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.
  • Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the Reporting a Player FAQ

If you misbehave but a teammate or opponent does or says something even worse, you should definitely report them after the match, just as someone reported you for your own misbehavior. Yes, that's certainly possible. Reports are not a limited resource. Any time someone believes that another player violated LoL's behavioral standards, they can report that player. Punishments are similarly not limited: if more than one player in a game merits a punishment, they can both get a punishment. This can happen even if the players in question were antagonizing each other. The IFS doesn't need to weigh the severity of all reported players' actions and then "award" the "winner" with a punishment; it's not a contest.

Think of it like dealing with a noisy person in a library: ask them to keep it down, and then notify library staff and move to another area if that doesn't work. If you get into a shouting match with them, you're just as likely to be removed, even if you weren't shouting quite as loudly as they were. The goal is a quiet library.

You weren't punished for misbehaving in one game. You were punished for misbehaving in one more game, in a consistent pattern of negative behavior that breaks the game's rules. Additionally, the reform card doesn't always show all the logs that led to your punishment: it randomly selects up to several logs. You might see three logs, but you also might see as few as one, even for players whose punishment stems not from a small number of egregious infractions but rather from dozens of instances of mild toxicity. The purpose of the reform card is to tell you how to reform, so it shows you an example of the behavior that prompted your punishment and explains that such behavior is inappropriate and should be avoided if you want to maintain an account in good standing.

Usually, one transgression by itself wouldn't be enough to bring such a punishment to an otherwise clean account, but the IFS works on an escalating punishment system. Breaking a minor rule, like engaging the team in useless arguments, has a minor punishment: a chat restriction. Breaking that same rule over and over again, however, doesn't prompt an endless series of chat restrictions. The severity of the punishment ramps up over time, because the goal is to eliminate the punished player's willingness to break the game's rules. If two chat restrictions don't stop the useless arguments, the system will increase the punishment to a 14-day suspension and deliver a very clear message that the continued rule-breaking is becoming a serious issue and any further instances will result in a permaban. Again, the point is to put a stop to this misbehavior. If a player is more interested in repeatedly breaking the rules than in maintaining access to their account, they'll lose access to their account.

Of course, it's possible to break major rules, like cheating, threatening people, or using chat for hate speech, and skip punishment tiers so that a clean account ends up with a 14-day suspension or even a permaban.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

PUNISHMENTS GENERALLY FOLLOW A BASIC ESCALATION PATH:

  • First Offense: 10 Game Chat Restriction
  • Second Offense: 25 Game Chat Restriction
  • Third Offense: Two Week Suspension
  • Fourth Offense: Permanent Suspension

However, it is possible to skip to a Two Week or Permanent suspension based on the severity of the behavior in the game. Excessive negative behavior can result in a Two-Week or Permanent suspension at any time without having a chat restriction on the account.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

Do not threaten or repeatedly tell a player you will report them. Doing so can encourage players who are already negative to continue their behavior. Whether they know they are being reported or not has no bearing to whether the system will act on them. But most importantly, repeatedly threatening or arguing with a negative player can end up derailing the game for everyone else and then open yourself up to reports and possible disciplinary action as well. Avoid negative thoughts and useless chatting with poor performing teammates! Focus on victory by muting the offending player and then reporting them at the end of the game.

Do not ask other players in the match to report the offending player. It only takes one report for our systems to review a game. Additional reports will not do anything for the offending player; however as mentioned above, it could open yourself up to a report of your own; especially if you are derailing the match by constantly demanding reports of other players.