The punishment MUST fit the crime.

Caretaker Jack·6/30/2018, 11:25:42 PM·5 votes·1,895 views

Just being honest. Riot gives pretty extreme punishments. Like, I had no idea that these people were dropping from honor 5 to zero on the first offense.

Think about it. If your punishment snatches all their progress in one swoop, you're pushing League towards more toxicity. Its already hard to get honor as a genuinely good player, so when you take the bad players progress and say "redeem" yourself," what you may as well say is "be better at being toxic next time." because that's what has been happening.

Put yourselves in the shoes of an honor 3,4, or 5 player who argued with someone and took it way too far... That person, literally, loses everything. To lose so much in one go makes redeeming yourself feel pointless. So, metaphorically, that person might not ever say another bad word in games again, but now they're highly likely to wait out bad games, troll more without saying anything, and tilt other people in the process because they know that they're not getting that progress back anytime soon. Think about it, Riot.

If this persons goal was to get their honor back, why would this person really want to try hard in a normal they're not doing well in? I'm being serious. If that person isn't the best on their team, then they probably know full well that the game they're in has no value... In a realistic setting what do you think this person chooses to do? It's simple. If the game yields no value, then they obviously want it over as quickly as possible,so they wait it out. They pretend to care, they bait their allies, they don't join fights, and they say nothing the entire time. As a bonus, they can indirectly get one of their allies banned if they happen to catch on to what they're doing and say enough bad words towards them. To this person, it's the perfect punishment for wasting their time. And it can apply to anything. All they have to do is be smart enough to not tell you they're trolling and avoid a stupid score like 0/15/0.

In other words, "bad" players being unable to redeem themselves pushes them to give up being better players and focus their energy on being being better at being bad... Or they simply quit. Is there any wonder the games now feel more toxic? Real talk, If they feel they cant acquire the honors or satisfy themselves with a win, they put the effort into moving to the next game as soon as possible.

26 Comments

Chermorg6/30/2018, 11:43:20 PM8 votes

The only way to drop straight to honor 0 on a first offense is to have done something so incredibly toxic and against the rules that it would never be even considered acceptable for League. Examples include encouraging someone to kill themselves, making threats against someone in real life (not just empty threats, but detailed ones), doxxing, using hateful or derogatory language, and things like that.

Simple toxicity does not drop to honor 0 on first offense - but instead gets a chat restriction and a drop to honor 1. And this makes sense - a player who is toxic enough to get a punishment is not honor 5. They aren't even honor 4. Or 3. They aren't even honor 2 - which is "neutral" honor (i.e. some player who is "average" - not really honorable, but not dishonorable). They've displayed through their toxicity that they are explicitly not honorable - thus they don't deserve even "neutral" honor that new players get.

Very rarely is a chat restriction and honor drop issued off only one game. For the vast majority of players, it takes 3 games to get punished, if not more.

AceGeo7/1/2018, 12:07:23 AM4 votes

Free game. Riot is rewarding those who are not toxic with FREE loot. Hmmmmm. You should think on this more.

AJStarhiker7/1/2018, 10:29:23 PM3 votes

A few weeks ago, I had most honorable after probably one of my worst games. Why? Because one person had decided I was his punching bag before the game started and instead of responding to his assault, I muted him and played out the game.

In another game, I actually saw a carry tilt in post-game because people chose other players to honor. So yeah, carrying alone won't guarrantee people will honor you.

Goldilux7/2/2018, 5:26:08 AM1 votes

The punishment fits the crime. You are getting free stuff for being honorable. Those free things are on pause for being dishonorable and you can get them back by showing you aren't dishonorable anymore.

I don't see how this is unfair.

What other system should it be? You still get free stuff for being dishonorable? That makes no sense.