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Permanently banning players

WolfSRB97··5 votes·1,452 views

Riot games, isn't it enough to punish "flamers" only by chat ban? or if you cant do it to solve hes flaming by being tilted feeling why dont you just "Permanently ban hes CHAT" instead of whole account.... Does anybody deserve to get permabanned by getting tilted? why it isnt like in every game..... Permaban should be only for Cheating or Trolling. Why dont you only ban their chatting? pings are enough. Me, after spending 100+ euros in my own account + paying friend to gift me mistery skin gifts like 50 euros more... gets permanently banned because getting tilted by hes team and enemy team? Its like 9 players are fighting 1 verbally... Do you really think someone deserve that? Thanks for everything, i just lost about 1000+ hours of playing the game, plus about 100 hours of real life work to get my self some Riot Points so i can enjoy... As i siad, thanks for everything Riot Games... You left big hole in my hearth.

39 Comments

archerno17 votes

They tried with chat bans in the past. Didnt work.

9Wly9oMl021 votes

Yeah, but why not just permaban chat?

Or simply give the players the option to disable their own chat.

BeatzBoyFTW6 votes

Yeah, but why not just permaban chat?

Read his comment again. He just said his answer.

Or simply give the players the option to disable their own chat.

Yes, it's called "Not Touching The Enter Button".

9Wly9oMl021 votes

I never remember them trying chat bans. They tried chat restrictions, and people would rack up vast amounts of games of chat restrictions. But, that's all they were, restrictions. So people could still rage and be toxic in chat, just limited. I asked about permabanning chat. That is a different thing. Nice try to subtly insult me, though. For someone claiming to be "tolerant" and against toxic players, you sure do show your hypocrisy.

Also, people cannot always control their impulses, so the "don't hit enter" isn't a fix. People cannot control their anger just as the little snowflake cannot control being offended by everything and not being intelligent to use the mute button. So if your answer is "just don't be toxic", then I'll say, "just don't be overly sensitive for no reason". Doesn't make much sense, does it? There is literally no effect on you by allowing players to unbind their chat key. So I'm not sure why you're against allowing them to do so.

archerno13 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lace Up,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Z1s8B6zv,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-12T13:56:36.994+0000)

I never remember them trying chat bans. They tried chat restrictions, and people would rack up vast amounts of games of chat restrictions. But, that's all they were, restrictions. So people could still rage and be toxic in chat, just limited. I asked about permabanning chat. That is a different thing. Nice try to subtly insult me, though. For someone claiming to be "tolerant" and against toxic players, you sure do show your hypocrisy.

Also, people cannot always control their impulses, so the "don't hit enter" isn't a fix. People cannot control their anger just as the little snowflake cannot control being offended by everything and not being intelligent to use the mute button. So if your answer is "just don't be toxic", then I'll say, "just don't be overly sensitive for no reason". Doesn't make much sense, does it? There is literally no effect on you by allowing players to unbind their chat key. So I'm not sure why you're against allowing them to do so.

Yes. People can always control their impulses. We arent talking about saying something on impulse where it just comes out of your mount. You actually need to TYPE it here. So its not impulse. Impulse is when u do something without thinking about it and how it will affect and hurt person. When u type, you are doing it willingly, not on impulse, with desire to hurt other person.

9Wly9oMl021 votes

People can always control their impulses.

Actually, science disagrees with you, but ok.

archerno12 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lace Up,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Z1s8B6zv,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-12T14:15:05.857+0000)

Actually, science disagrees with you, but ok.

What science? Source?

9Wly9oMl021 votes

http://dsm.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.books.9780890425596.dsm15

Good enough of a source for ya bud? Or does your Facebook University degree override the APA and DSM?

If you're not part of the healthcare community, please don't act like you know what you're talking about.

archerno13 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lace Up,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Z1s8B6zv,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-12T15:05:18.238+0000)

http://dsm.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.books.9780890425596.dsm15

Good enough of a source for ya bud? Or does your Facebook University degree override the APA and DSM?

If you're not part of the healthcare community, please don't act like you know what you're talking about.

That means nothing. Can u provide actual scientific proof where someone conducted research about self control during video game?

9Wly9oMl021 votes

Ok, SJW, we're done here. I should have realized you were trolling earlier. Have a great day.

archerno13 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lace Up,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Z1s8B6zv,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-12T20:39:02.862+0000)

Ok, SJW, we're done here. I should have realized you were trolling earlier. Have a great day.

Thats a no.

archerno16 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lace Up,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Z1s8B6zv,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-07-12T13:28:44.865+0000)

Yeah, but why not just permaban chat?

Or simply give the players the option to disable their own chat.

Ok, what does toxic player who cant type in chat do when he gets angry at teammate? Ye u guessed it right, he starts trolling.

9Wly9oMl021 votes

Not necessarily at all. I've seen a lot of people use chat for rage. And they rage because they're mad at people who are 0-10-1. Those player actually try to win the game. And an easy way to fix that is to just start banning trolls. And if they did, I'm sure they'd find there would be less "toxicity" anyway. But they don't want to do that for some reason.

archerno19 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lace Up,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Z1s8B6zv,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2017-07-12T13:52:15.739+0000)

Not necessarily at all. I've seen a lot of people use chat for rage. And they rage because they're mad at people who are 0-10-1. Those player actually try to win the game. And an easy way to fix that is to just start banning trolls.

That HAPPENED. Its not opinion or anything like that. Thats what actually happened. People that racked permanent chat restrictions, actually resorted to gameplay toxicity, feeding, trolling, spamming pings on people... Riot had no other choice but to introduce this new punishment system

9Wly9oMl021 votes

Then you ban players that are trolling. It's pretty simple. If you chat ban them and they troll, ban the trolling behavior. Also, chat restriction =/= chat ban. Chat restrictions still allow players to be toxic.

archerno13 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lace Up,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Z1s8B6zv,comment-id=000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-12T13:59:11.181+0000)

Then you ban players that are trolling. It's pretty simple. If you chat ban them and they troll, ban the trolling behavior. Also, chat restriction =/= chat ban. Chat restrictions still allow players to be toxic.

There were too many. Percentage of players who actually stopped being toxic was miniscule they determined that systme failed. Dude, no point in arguing. If someone is so toxic that it escalates to a permanent ban, then there is no room for him in this game.

9Wly9oMl021 votes

You don't have to be "so" toxic anymore, you just have to be consistent. There are plenty of players that have minor offenses that throw them into a permaban just because of account history. Not saying that's a bad thing, just the way it is with the new system. Permas are no longer reserved for the most toxic, now it includes consistently just negative. And again, you ban trolling players and I strongly believe you'll see a reduction in "toxic" chat as well. Why? Cause and effect. Instead of banning 1 troll, they would rather ban 10 players who would normally be neutral that "rage" at the troll. They have been on this "let's ban all the toxic players" for how long? 4 years? With no improvements. Obviously that should tell you that they're going about it the wrong way. Just banning people who are mean in chat is not going to solve the issue. It hasn't solved the issue.

ModPeriscope5 votes

This just seems to be passing off responsibility for one's chat.

"I won't be toxic if the other toxic person can't talk."

It is a tiny amount of personal responsibility. Mute, don't hit enter.

9Wly9oMl021 votes

And again, why is everyone so against the banning of trolls lol? But it's clear we disagree on the subject. Keep only banning "mean" players. It's clearly worked so well over the last 4 years.

ModPrandine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lace Up,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Z1s8B6zv,comment-id=0001000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-12T18:13:58.263+0000)

And again, why is everyone so against the banning of trolls lol? But it's clear we disagree on the subject. Keep only banning "mean" players. It's clearly worked so well over the last 4 years.

It's not that everyone is against banning trolls, we aren't. However, understand that both trolls and chat offenders are a problem for the game as a whole and thus both should be punished and held accountable for their behavior and if need be removed from the game as well if they refuse to change their poor behavior despite multiple warnings telling them to do so. The line has to be drawn somewhere after all, and if a person refuses to stop causing trouble for the others around them despite multiple warnings then why allow them to continue to keep playing at all?

9Wly9oMl021 votes

And I'm not saying that players who are toxic in chat should not be punished. I'm simply saying that only addressing toxic players in chat is going to do nothing to solve the toxicity issues. And you would fix a lot of the toxic in chat players by addressing trolling players. The current method literally has not done anything over the last 4 years and it never will. So when the community complain about the game being "toxic", yet downvotes a thread about a guy going 0/40 over 200 games, they are sending mixed signals as to what they want. Because obviously if the community wanted a less toxic gaming environment, it would demand that the trolls in the game are addressed.

Bettnachleger1 votes

Wait, you just said that trolling make people flame. So if we perma chatban the flamers and they start to troll, it would force MORE people to flame, so they get a chatban and start trolling and so on. That sounds pretty dumb to me ;D

9Wly9oMl021 votes

You're assuming that everyone who gets chat banned will start to flame. Which isn't the case for a lot of the players.

Toxicity in this game will not be fixed until you start addressing the issues. It's that simple. You guys can lobby for more bans on "mean" players all you want, but the last 4 years have clearly shown that it simply doesn't work. So either ask for change, or don't cry about toxicity.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

If they couldn't express their toxicity through chat, they'd seek out other means such as:

  • Intentionally feeding
  • Refusal to do anything aside from farm side-wave and jungle
  • Passive-aggressively trolling

Better to just have them removed from the game.

9Wly9oMl021 votes

Yeah, not necessarily. Go peruse the player behavior section and take a look at the people getting banned. A lot of the people's chat is them raging at trolling players. Which, again, is not excusable, but they aren't exactly the type of people that try to lose games on purpose. They are raging at the players doing so. Also, if you think it would be a problem, why not just ban the trolls? Intentionally feeding is EXTREMELY easy to detect.

TrulyBland3 votes

Intentionally feeding is EXTREMELY easy to detect.

Since you make this statement I'm sure you have a specific algorithm or metric in mind that not only has a high sensitivity as well as a high enough specificity to make sure innocents don't get punished.

Please do share.

9Wly9oMl021 votes

Yup, if you go 0/40/2, you're intenting. Pretty simple. Yet I reported a guy for such behavior, looked at his match history and saw over 200+ games of an average score of 0/30, and he was still playing :)

I reported a guy for going AFK after first blood. Checked his match history, did it every time his team gave up FB. Sent in a screen shot to rito support ticket showing his behavior. 5 months later, still playing.

Your move.

TrulyBland4 votes

Okay, you have so far defined a program that will ban everybody that goes precisely 0/40/2 and everybody with 200+ games of an average score of 0/30.

Your move still, because this is a shitty algorithm/metric that will easily detect way less feeders than the one Riot currently uses.

9Wly9oMl021 votes

Lmfao. If rito can't detect an 0/40 over 200 games as intentionally feeding, what the fuck can it detect lmfao. The only people that get banned are the ones that are also "toxic" in chat or admit to trolling. Otherwise, they're let go. It literally takes 10 seconds of watching a questionable game to determine if someone is trolling or not. But keep going down the same route of not banning trolls, and then crying about how "toxic" the gaming community is. Because throwing bans around to all the "mean" and "toxic" players are really improved the community over the last 4 years xD

PlsTouchMeGently2 votes

Good anecdotes to support your position. I have anecdotes that support the contrary. Oh, look - I guess personal anecdotes aren't valid information on which to base a theory! :-D

9Wly9oMl021 votes

So how long do you think it will take for the Janna I just reported in my last game, who openly said they were intenting to get banned? Because I'll take any wager you wanna make lol.

PlsTouchMeGently2 votes

Again, you're tossing out anecdotes. I only recently had a game where an Ezreal intentionally fed. I reported him after the game and he was banned within 5 minutes.

And Janna may have said she was inting in chat, but her stats seem to show otherwise. 67% kill participation to your 0%. Regardless, it's not that relevant to my point that your little stories don't change my little stories and you're not going to believe me and I'm not going to believe you, so I suggest you move on.

TrulyBland3 votes

isn't it enough to punish "flamers" only by chat ban?

Short version: No.

Long version: This is one of those things that fall into the category of "sound good, doesn't work". Riot has tried virtually permanent chat restrictions in the past. Technically they just removed higher tier punishments for chat related offenses and instead made chat restriction stack up infinitely, but within a really short time of this experiment there were people with over a thousand games worth of chat restrictions. Now, that in itself isn't really a problem, the problem comes when people feel like they can no longer express their frustration in the way they used to. They would resort to ping spamming at best, and feeding and trolling at worst. So basically, they just moved away from easily detectable and mutable offenses to the kind of offenses that are more tricky to detect and impossible to protect against. The problem didn't just persist, it was actively made worse.

Of course this doesn't apply to everybody. Just like the general idea behind permabans (those who are unwilling or unable to reform) doesn't actually apply to everybody that is permanently banned. But Riot has to find a balance between giving people time (and tools) to stop ruining games and quickly weeding those out that will never stop ruining games.

You had your second chance. Presumably you had two more after that. And there's only so many second chances that are feasible for Riot to give.

NinjaGuy692 votes

I believe I read something stating that Riot tried perma-muting toxic players in the past. The reason it didn't work though is because the players who were perma-muted would just find other ways to grief their teammates. It makes sense in theory, but again, I'm not 100% sure on the accuracy of that claim.

ZED G0D1 votes

I agree..I believe perma-bans should be sub-catagorized to fit the offense...like perm chat disable (except for lobby) that way theres no instalocks, and they can atleast tell us hey im chat banned btw

verysalt1 votes

They need money. Make new account, buy IP/XP boosts, then buy new skins. Profit.

General Esdeath 1 votes

And then they just int in games.

Why force people to play with someone who can't communicate at all?

Bob the Toastr1 votes

100 hours of real life work to get 150 euros? So you're getting paid 1.50 an hour?

CooL Ice Tea1 votes

You played 521 Hours by the way, you ain't gonna fool us!

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