Plz discuss this RIOT ESPECIALLY

IllegalEcchi·12/7/2016, 8:21:58 PM·2 votes·412 views

This is my problem. Is there a rule that exists that you have to listen to pick order in blind pick. I have never once seen in the rules that you have to listen to someone if they "call a lane before you". I dont want any of that, "its called common decency" bullshit. I want a straight forward answer. From the cooperating with team thing, isnt it not cooperating if they dont want to go through with the idea I have in place. I just dont understand this system and I would really like someone to explain. Because Im pretty sure this call system is a player based oidea.

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Faie12/7/2016, 8:40:42 PM4 votes

I'm not sure if it's official, and frankly I don't have the time to look it up due to finals, but I'm very sure that Riot has stated in multiple posts before that Call order in Blind Pick is the way it's supposed to work. They even made an update one patch to make sure that the order of messages that people sent would be identical for all the players, so you would for sure know who called a role first.

It's definitely not based on pick order in Blind Pick though, since everyone picks at the same time.

Myrmiron12/7/2016, 8:26:58 PM3 votes

No there isn't a rule for that. My solution for this dilemma is pretty simple though. Don't play Blind Pick, it's cancer. Cheers.

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EndlessSorcerer12/7/2016, 8:53:37 PM2 votes

Pick order was officially endorsed for Draft Pick.

I'm not sure if they ever cared enough about Blind Pick to enforce an order.

o0O Madoka O0o12/7/2016, 8:57:05 PM2 votes

Because there is not effective alternative. Pick order is better than call order in a sense that it's random. So not just the people with the fast computers always getting the pick.

A solution Riot decided to roll out is role selection system, which comes with its own problem of dividing player base and not enough supports.

midnight oil2412/7/2016, 9:54:49 PM1 votes

If someone calls the lane first, you should let them have it. It's like if you had dibs on something (you can pick your hypothetical item) and right as you were about to grab it, someone shoved you out of the way and took it. You'd be frustrated, right?

TrulyBland12/7/2016, 9:02:10 PM1 votes

It's been a while, but I remember getting into an argument with somebody about this some time ago and digging a lot for red posts. The truth is, Riot has never explicitely talked about blind pick. But the fact that they did speak about draft pick (and ranked, back then) as well as their reasoning behind endorsing pick order and the name itself ("pick order") implies it's really about the order in which people get to pick their champions, not the positioning of the portraits. That means that in blind pick there is not actually any inherent pick order to respect.

A simple thought experiment also makes it clear that pick order can't really be followed in blind pick: What if the topmost person doesn't pick until 5 seconds before the game starts? Do all the other players have to adjust their picks within 5 seconds to respect his first-pick status? If not: How long does first pick have time, etc. It's a simple rule for draft pick, for blind pick it's either a extremely complicated or terribly ambiguous rule, neither of which are a good idea (or consistent with Riot's general philosophy)

tl;dr: Pick order emerges naturally and intuitively from draft pick. Blind pick is inherently chaotic and impossible to regulate as long as people get to pick at the same time.

KVbqbFsC8e12/7/2016, 9:04:31 PM1 votes

Blind pick doesn't have any rules in champ select.

Martensitic12/7/2016, 9:50:45 PM1 votes

I want a straight forward answer

Which is exactly what you will get from me.

#No, there is not.

There has never been a single announcement, tweet, reddit post or other official or half-official communication from Riot in any way, indicating that "Call Order" as this fantasy of salty kids is also called, is a thing or that anyone has to care about it.

And everyone who says otherwise is either an uninformed idiot, or lying.

Straightforward enough? :D