If someone permabanned does community service, should they be unbanned?

InfiniteZr0·11/23/2016, 2:29:19 PM·2 votes·664 views

I was looking at a reddit thread earlier that was about the Tyler1 perma ban.
I was thinking if someone was perma banned for toxicity, if he/she showed Riot referencable proof of doing 100 or so hours of community service.
Could that be proof of being reformed or rehabilitated and given another chance?

4 Comments

DrCyanide11/23/2016, 2:47:50 PM6 votes

Tyler1's current punishment is beyond permaban. Permabanned players get to keep any new accounts they make (so long as they actually change). Tyler1 has new accounts banned as soon as they're identified.

Tyler1's punishment is as hard as it is because of how he was effecting the community as a whole. Before he was banned I had people imitating his trolling and intentional feeding behavior in my own games, one of them literally saying "if Tyler1 can do it and not get punished so can I." Having Tyler1 step back into the game now would likely still result in the same behavior, so it's better for him to have a bit longer in his indefinite banned state.

For permabanned players in general... eh? It's great to do community service, don't get me wrong, but I don't necessarily agree that them helping out their physical community means they're ready to re-join the digital community they were kicked out of.

Olsca11/23/2016, 2:33:44 PM1 votes

Maybe if the tribunal came back this could work.

Desolas Arterius11/23/2016, 3:27:41 PM1 votes

Community service is always good to do, but doing it to get unbanned in a game is a bit ridiculous don't you think? Not to mention people act drastically different online than they do in person.

Just because they did community service in their local neighborhood doesn't really mean anything to Riot or other players. Especially if that person is known for being extremely toxic in an online, anonymous atmosphere.

I get the idea you're trying to put out here; allow people to show positive examples of reforming their behavior through traceable means. But, Riot already gives players that chance even after a player receives their first warning/punishment. It's why we have a 4-tier punishment system. A player gets plenty of chances to show better behavior and to change, so by playing a lot of games and remaining positive in every game (or at least just refrain from toxic behavior) they are essentially doing their "community service" to League.

Even then, players are still more than welcomed to continue creating new accounts. Barely anyone is in the Tyler1 status of ban, so if they want a "clean slate" or "another chance" they are certainly create a new account to show they've reformed.

Wouldn't be fair if players could just do any kind of community service (I've done some where there's literally nothing to do for 2 hours and it still counted...) and then get their account back. Wouldn't be much of a "teaching" moment for that player to realize that actions come with consequences.

Timethief4911/23/2016, 6:16:22 PM1 votes

They can create a new account, but the old one is gone for good. its a sort of statement by riot to show what happens if you ignore all warnings