I was an adamant fan of the tribunal and its method of community enforced rules. Other games continue to use this such as CS:GO, runescape, WoW, etc. and I'm intrigued as to why an inferior AI system has replaced this subjectively better method instead of being integrated together?
(I was under the impression the Tribunal was removed due to the inefficiency of the system)
Tribunal handled verbal cases. Things with chat logs and was inefficient in comparison to the IFS as it took months for some cases to even be reviewed.
Overwatch in CSGO focuses more on gameplay and seems to have actual clear lines for what is trolling and what isn't.
I'm intrigued why you think the AI system, which is faster, more consistent, and more fair than the old Tribunal is "inferior".
The only metric by which the Tribunal was better than the current AI system was in community perception. For toxic players, for some reason it's easier for them to stomach that other players determined their behavior is toxic than for a bot to do so. In terms capacity, cost, timeliness of response, and accuracy, the AI far surpasses the Tribunal.
The AI isn't worse, they just programmed it to be much more sensitive. The Riot punitive system as it is, is a complete joke and it's there to protect the 5% that get triggered by you calling them bad in a video game.
If the tribunal came back today, League of legends has been forced into a club penguin-esque environment, and people are used to it by now, so you saying "bro you are so dog shit, why even queue ranked if you're going to troll, go back to bots" is enough for you to get a 14 day suspension and a perma ban.
Let's start with why it was removed;
https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2018/08/ask-riot-will-tribunal-return/
The tl;dr is Tribunal isn’t coming back any time soon.
We learned a lot from Tribunal when it was around, and it actually became one of the bases of our current models for abusive chats. A player-voted service like Tribunal comes with two huge drawbacks that are really tough to get around, though:
- It’s slow and inefficient. Manual reviews require pulling those chat logs out to the website, waiting for responses from enough players, and deciding on a penalty from there, while the current automated systems can send out penalties in less than 15 minutes.
- It’s sometimes wildly inaccurate (especially when there was an IP reward per “successful” penalty, leading to a super innate bias in the system).
There’s a couple of things Tribunal brought that we know we haven’t tackled in a big way, like more focus on trolling and intentional feeding detection (though we are continuing to iterate on how we detect these) and more agency to make it feel like you’re really having an impact on unsportsmanlike behaviors.
We’re making a lot of progress with dodgy chat content and the new name filtering service with our automated models, but we do still need you to hit the report button when you see bad shit to help us gather information on what you don’t want to see in League. It really does make a difference.
You are correct it was inefficient. A Rioter had to manually pull the logs, manually post it on the website. After the voting was done, the Rioter had to manually check whether the vote was correct.
The thing the tribunal was good for was to provide some visibility to the community and make them feel they were contributing.
I agree the old system was better, this new system sucks pretty bad.
There are not enough people who will inspect games for free to judge people If you add a reward for that, there will be people who will just spam judgements for rewards, and that would be even worse Current system is not perfect and it misses almost everything but hard int and chat toxicity, but at least it is consistent, it works the same way for everyone and everyone knows what rules they shouldn't break. And thats how it should work, to be honest. There should be strict rules thta you can be puished for, not some shitty people deciding "well, i think building full ap on bard when he is already 0-3 is trolling, lets ban him"
