I can haz better afk punishment?

PhantomVir·Oct 9, 2016·1 votes·695 views

I am aware that playing a game missing a teammate isn't fair or just sucks and for that reason low priority que is put in place for those that disconnect or afk during a game. My problem is why it's automated. Sure it's faster and more reliable, but at the same time, it isn't fair to some people. Getting a strike because of a damn power outage or because of bad internet providers leaves the player in a situation where their ability to play in the future is hindered by random strokes of bad luck. Not to mention the punishment is so one-sided. People that legitimately disconnect or afk will get it and will most likely never do it again in the near future, but if you get sent to low priority because your internet decided to cut you off for the next 30 minutes; then you're most likely going to be bitter. I know Riot's trying to be fair, but it's just too unfair for those with constant problems.

Here&#039;s a situation that happened with me. I was playing a few games today and, after getting out of my previous low priority que that I left on my account for a few weeks, I decided to play a bit more. First game two games were pretty fun. The third game however, sent me back into my 20 minute low priority que... The reason wasn&#039;t because I rage quit or was doing something else. The game had literally closed on me. There wasn&#039;t an update for my computer, it wasn&#039;t restarting. It just closed, and it wasn&#039;t a bugsplat either. Baffled, I raced to get back in game alas, it ended leaving me with a punishment. Why is this a thing? I wouldn&#039;t be so salty if the punishment was actually fair. Like instead of getting a potential 30 minute que time five times in a row, why not block the account from playing for the next 20 to 50 minutes. It so perfect. Those that leave on purpose have to sit and wait before they can troll again. Yet those whose circumstances prevented them from playing can get back to the game after they fix/finished what they were doing and only have to wait the remaining time depending on their amounts of punishments.

This would be so much better than having your computer auto-restart for multiple hours and still have to wait these ludicrous wait times. Or get back from having your internet finally turn back on to have a big ol &quot;you must suffer now&quot; plastered on your home screen. Of course this is from my point of view, I&#039;m sure others would feel different about these times or about the punishment itself. So feel free to comment on how you guys feel. Let&#039;s try to get this problem noticed, for all those that got bullied by the que times!

15 Comments

Deep Terror NamiOct 9, 20162 votes

While I understand why it feels unfair to be punished for something completely out of your control and not frequent or preventable in any way, Riot simply can't treat them differently than intentional leaving because it's not possible to effectively differentiate them on their end. It could be that your power went out, or that you just turned your PC off. It could be that the client crashed, or that you started a program that crashes it for you.

Even if we're not talking about abusing leniency towards unintentional leavers, frequent leavers need to be punished whether it's intentional or not. When a player leaves he ruins it for several other people (as you mentioned), but when he continues to play knowing it might happen he absolutely needs to be held responsible so that he has incentive to do something about it. If the leaving is truly infrequent and unavoidable, then the penalty probably won't get very high, or there may not even be a penalty at all. It's only when a player is determined to be a chronic leaver that the penalties get stiff.

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752714-LeaverBuster-FAQ

PhantomVirOct 9, 20161 votes

I support how hard Riot works to make the penalties fair to all players no matter what happened, but it's just sad to see someone penalized for something out of their control even worse have it happen to yourself. But in my case, and someone else that I've know for a long time (he even got me into playing League of Legends) find it irritating to play simply because of bad circumstances. My computer used to be so bad that it would crash every time after 30 minutes. He said he stopped playing the game and gave my family this one. It's better, but it still has it's kinks. Random crashing, and the game refusing to boot which he's tried multiple times to fix. In the end it just a bad, old computer. I never meant for this to be a cry-out or a petition for a better system, rather I wanted to raise awareness to all those who think bad of random DC's. I realized how the game works after so many years of playing and had so much fun that I've grown desperate to play more despite all the pain it brings me. In the end it boils down to how fortunate you are as a person. The current system isn't too bad, just a bit irritating. Thanks for paying attention to our voices Rioter.

scazzmanOct 9, 20161 votes

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While I understand why it feels unfair to be punished for something completely out of your control and not frequent or preventable in any way, Riot simply can't treat them differently than intentional leaving because it's not possible to effectively differentiate them on their end. It could be that your power went out, or that you just turned your PC off. It could be that the client crashed, or that you started a program that crashes it for you.

Even if we're not talking about abusing leniency towards unintentional leavers, frequent leavers need to be punished whether it's intentional or not. When a player leaves he ruins it for several other people (as you mentioned), but when he continues to play knowing it might happen he absolutely needs to be held responsible so that he has incentive to do something about it. If the leaving is truly infrequent and unavoidable, then the penalty probably won't get very high, or there may not even be a penalty at all. It's only when a player is determined to be a chronic leaver that the penalties get stiff.

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752714-LeaverBuster-FAQ

that said. i feel like /remake should be tweaked a little. first. it should be treated like a dodge penalty. and it should not affect mmr. only LP. it's a great system at the moment. until it happens to you

SarutobiOct 9, 20162 votes

The fact of the matter is that you shouldnt be leaving game period. Yes complications can happen, and Riot understands that. Hence why they do not punish if its a rare occurrence. If you are getting constant power outage, or your ISP is just that bad it is your responsibility to solve the problem. As in If you know you have bad internet dont play until you get better internet. And if you know you are getting power outages or there is a Storm common sense should tell you not to be playing during that!

With that said i do think its harsh. But i feel if you reconnect and stay connected into the game for the rest of the match it shouldnt punish you. Or if there is a Client problem we shouldnt be held accountable when the fault isnt on us.

PhantomVirOct 9, 20161 votes

I understand but something you just cant change. I live on Guam, there are only about 4 reliable internet providers. Power outages are common as the island is unbelievably tiny meaning the power is stretched and load shedding is inevitable every few months. And not to mention we live in storm alley. Typhoons and storms are in our nature. But I will never blame riot for this, it's my lack of good judgment that I play on dubious times.

TheGoomyGamerOct 9, 20162 votes

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I understand but something you just cant change. I live on Guam, there are only about 4 reliable internet providers. Power outages are common as the island is unbelievably tiny meaning the power is stretched and load shedding is inevitable every few months. And not to mention we live in storm alley. Typhoons and storms are in our nature. But I will never blame riot for this, it's my lack of good judgment that I play on dubious times.

Thats one reason why my slightly different approach might work. If say there was a storm or something and you get disconnected (But not everyone so it wouldn't be a loss prevented). You lose the game but because of the static cool down for games then you would only have 5 mins or so of a 30-min suspension. But if you were an afk troller then you would leave a game and then not be able to troll in another game.

PhantomVirOct 9, 20161 votes

Exactly. The time would count down while you were away but you would still need to be there for the last few 'confirmation' minutes.

GankRivenOct 10, 20161 votes

im sure we are all just made of money to you arent we.

SarutobiOct 10, 20161 votes

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im sure we are all just made of money to you arent we.

Well this is a luxury.

GankRivenOct 10, 20161 votes

so is water

rekt

TheGoomyGamerOct 9, 20162 votes

I do understand your point of view, and I REALLY like your idea for a change. I think that it would be much better towards people that do intentionally troll and afk - although maybe just have it as a static timer from the next time they log on/ try to start a game, as people could abuse this by leaving a game, say, close to night so they're asleep during the timer. It would also be better for people that legitimately disconnected.

PhantomVirOct 9, 20161 votes

Yeah I was thinking of that as I realized that people could also just leave the account and play on a smurf with no little to no downtime. But this idea was a hail-mary of an idea.

KVbqbFsC8eOct 9, 20162 votes

They should change it so it actually bans people who go AFK. It never goes past 5 games of a 20 minute low priority que, and yet their automated system for chat related offenses (something that can be completely negated by muting, unlike having an AFK on your team) dishes out permabans with virtually no context.

PhantomVirOct 10, 20161 votes

I have disagree with most of what you said. Not to be mean, of course. A lot of the times, chat related punishments are just chat restrictions, as it should be, but it will dish out bans generally to reported people. The only time a ban has been placed on chat activity ,that i've seen occur, is because of repeated offenses and a tribunal case. Not to mention ban worthy text are mostly homophobia, sexism, racism and death threats. Something petty like saying multiple foul words would only grant you chat restrictions. Being banned for disconnects or AFKs seems a little overboard however. Like I was mentioning, many people can get disconnected from the game from things they can't control. Imagine being banned because your power got knocked out! That would be infuriating. However it is still your opinion as well. It's great of you to share your opinions.

KVbqbFsC8eOct 10, 20161 votes

In the case of chat though, you don't actually have to be what most logical people would consider toxic. Sure chat related bans are justified for racism and death threats, but I was able to be permabanned simply by calling people "bad". Most people assume that if someone is permabanned, they must have been super toxic. But if you call those 0/10 teammates "bad" over a long enough period of time, you can be perma'd.

AFKing however will not get you any type of automated ban. It may seem overboard if it were to ban you if you accidentally DC'd, but it would likely take alot of games for it to reach that point. As it is now, you can AFK hundreds of games and Leaverbuster will not ban you. The only way you get banned for AFKing is though a manual review, which isn't common.