Permaban

Bigals·Apr 25, 2017·8 votes·4,398 views

So I was perma-banned today for calling someone a faggot.

I just got back from a 14-day suspension for telling a nautilus that had int'ed 16 kills (to my lane opponent) on my last promo to silver 4 to kill himself. I think it was justified, I find intentional feeding to be a more severe offense than flaming, specially when the flames are directed to someone who is inting. I have attached a pic with the naut score from that game that got be 14-day banned There

Today, not even 2 games out of my suspension I called someone a faggot. I use that word a lot. In fact my best friend is gay and I call him that all the time, it's just a word it used to refer to a pack of cigarette, and I get perma-banned for it.

I find that petty, like someone was watching my account and just waiting for me to use any swear word or displaced language to sled down the hammer.

Kinda sad guys.

62 Comments

ModUlanopoApr 25, 201711 votes

Let's be perfectly clear here. There is no circumstance where racial, ethnic, homophobic or other slurs are acceptable in League. None. No excuses, no exceptions

Please keep the conversation civil and on-topic. If people cannot avoid insults, the discussion will be closed.

BigalsApr 25, 20172 votes

I didn't say it was right or acceptable but that perma banning someone on the back of that is petty.

I wanted to contest the first 14 day ban on the basis that the nautilus I flamed had started feeding kills intentionally and it was uncalled for on the behalf of all our team mates, no one talked to him he just decided to start feeding kills to the enemy team, like dat on my last promo match to silver, honestly maybe the 19th times I was on promos.

But I didn't cause I had some school stuff to do and saw it as a sign to take a break.

I did not see a perma-ban coming off the back of that, so quickly.

I apologize for the use of the word %%%got and engage to never use the in-game chat tool ever again if the ban is lifted. I'll just use pings to communicate with my team mates and that will simplify everything.

Do consider this offer I am a man of my word and will rightfully accept to be permabanned again if I use in-game chat again

Another thing to consider is that the built displayed for this nautilus in my screenshot was purchased within the last 30 seconds of the game, he had 6 CULLS the whole game

ModUlanopoApr 25, 20172 votes

I'm an Arbiter, which means I'm a volunteer rather than a Riot employee. I cannot modify your ban in any way. You are more than welcome to attempt an appeal via a support ticket, but I warn you that Riot has a firm policy of never reversing a justified behavioral ban.

I do want to point out that you're still trying to justify your behavior as you bargain. It literally does not matter what other people do, you are never allowed to use that kind of language in League. Someone can go 0/213/0 and it wouldn't make it okay. You are responsible for your own behavior, regardless of the provocation or circumstances.

BigalsApr 25, 20171 votes

Okay but I was never warned that my next slur would lead to a perma ban.

Not in the 14-day ban nowhere, not in the e-mail it literally just said I was suspended for 14days for subpar behavior and that ingame rewards would be suspended until I showed significant improvement.

I'm not trying to justify my behavior I'm saying the perma-ban is uncalled for and I was not warned. I wouldn't have minded a permant chat ban but I think a permanent account ban of all my in-game purchases and hard earned achievements is completely uncalled for.

I cannot access the support tickets as my account is perma-banned when I try to log in it tells me I need a verified account. So please if you could run it by anyone at Riot at least I would greatly appreciate it. I personally don't know what to do.

ModUlanopoApr 26, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Okay but I was never warned that my next slur would lead to a perma ban.

That's a mark of how seriously Riot takes these types of harassment. You could have received an escalated ban based on one game, had you been toxic enough. No warning is required.

I'm not trying to justify my behavior I'm saying the perma-ban is uncalled for and I was not warned. I wouldn't have minded a permant chat ban but I think a permanent account ban of all my in-game purchases and hard earned achievements is completely uncalled for.

That's an opinion you can have. Just know that it is not consistent with the values of the community.

I cannot access the support tickets as my account is perma-banned when I try to log in it tells me I need a verified account. So please if you could run it by anyone at Riot at least I would greatly appreciate it. I personally don't know what to do.

Per Keyru:

"as long as they know their account information they should be able to create a support ticket even if banned"

AeroWaffleApr 25, 20179 votes

not even 2 games out of my suspension I called someone a faggot.

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

What were you expecting to happen? The 14-day ban warns you that you are one step away from a perma ban.

In fact my best friend is gay and I call him that all the time, it's just a word it used to refer to a pack of cigarette,

I doubt this person you insulted was your best friend and I doubt you were referring to cigarettes.

BigalsApr 25, 20172 votes

I doubt this person you insulted was your best friend and I doubt you were referring to cigarettes.

And how exactly do you know that? You guys lack a little bit of logic, I guess that's why you're working on an "Online Tribunal" as opposed to a real one.

AeroWaffleApr 25, 20175 votes

And how exactly do you know that?

Because I'm not an idiot.

PaquayApr 25, 20171 votes

But OP is, which is why this exchange of pleasantries will go nowhere.

if a wall is too thick, it's almost completely impregnable.

BigalsApr 25, 20171 votes

Unless its porous, like your brain.

EvilDustManApr 25, 20178 votes

{quoted}

And how exactly do you know that? You guys lack a little bit of logic, I guess that's why you're working on an "Online Tribunal" as opposed to a real one.

http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1493134403-20170425.png

SecondAirbaneApr 25, 20171 votes

probably why they arent gold or higher too

SavageConcordiaApr 26, 20172 votes

And how exactly do you know that?

You are on NA servers, that means you are likely American, Canadian or Mexican. %%% is not slang for a cigarette in any of those countries. On top of that, you said you used the word "%%%got", that is not slang for a pack of cigarettes anywhere let alone in the US. Post your logs if you want to prove me wrong.

MartensiticApr 25, 20179 votes

So I was perma-banned today for calling someone a faggot.

Good.

I just got back from a 14-day suspension

And decided immediately to flame again. Thanks for conclusively proofing, that the ban was completely justified.

to kill himself. I think it was justified,

Assuming the many-world-interpretation of quantum mechanics is correct, there is not a single instance of this universe, among the infinite varieties of the multiverse, where telling another human being to end his life, for being bad at a video game, is justified.

I use that word a lot.

That's not our problem.

I find that petty, like someone was watching my account and just waiting for me to use any swear word or displaced language to sled down the hammer.

Fun story, because that's exactly what happened.

The 14day ban is a FINAL WARNING. There iseven a text stating as much, informing you, in no unclear terms, that the next step is the permanent ban.

You chose to ignore that warning.

Kinda sad guys.

Toxicity got punished swiftly. I think that's a reason to celebrate.

BigalsApr 25, 20171 votes

You sound like such a self-righteous prick honestly, I bet you have 0 friends.

MartensiticApr 25, 20172 votes

Awww cute, where did you find this amazingly creative insult, on a mailing list from the early 90s?

BigalsApr 25, 20171 votes

The 14day ban is a FINAL WARNING. There iseven a text stating as much, informing you, in no unclear terms, that the next step is the permanent ban.

Lol no there isn't What are you talking about? It said my in-chat behavior was sub-par and so I was suspended for 14-days and all in game rewards as well until I made significant proof of reform.

"IN-GAME-REWARDS" nowhere did it say anything about perma-ban. That shit came out of nowhere.

MartensiticApr 25, 20174 votes

Lol no there isn't What are you talking about?

Nice try. Here is the standard text of the 14 day suspension message:

SUSPENDED

<Player Name> 14-day-suspension

Because a player-triggered review found your in-game comms excessively inflammatory and offensive, your account's been suspended until --/--/---- --:--

Other players judged your comms to be far below the standards of the League community. The vast majority of players agree that while League's an intense, competitive game, everyone deserves respect on the Rift. If this behaviour continues, your account will be permanently suspended.

Any questions?

OnlyYouCanHearMeApr 25, 20173 votes

While it may be a word for a cigarette, it is also a very derogatory word for a homosexual, and is considered a form of hate speech by Riot. Riot has a zero-tolerance policy towards hate speech, threats, and comments telling people to harm themselves. It isn't that someone was watching your account and waiting for you to say something out of line, but when you come off of a 14 day suspension, it does put your account on very thin ice, so to speak. At that point, any further violation of the rules could result in a permanent suspension, as it would have been explained in the email sent to you when you were given the temporary suspension.

You are free to create another account, should you wish to do so, but I would encourage you strongly to refrain from using hate speech, or telling other players to harm themselves, no matter what the game circumstances might be.

SlythionApr 25, 20173 votes

I just got back from a 14-day suspension for telling a nautilus that had int'ed 16 kills (to my lane opponent) on my last promo to silver 4 to kill himself. I think it was justified

nope, it's not

I find intentional feeding to be a more severe offense than flaming

just because someone did you a booboo doesn't mean it's ok to be mean back. This was taught back in kindergarten

specially when the flames are directed to someone who is inting. I have attached a pic with the naut score from that game that got be 14-day banned.

doesn't matter when, how, why. You flame, you're breaking the rules (same policy it's been since at least as long as I've played league, don't act surprised)

Today, not even 2 games out of my suspension I called someone a faggot

wow, you really learned your lesson didn't ya?

I use that word a lot

are we supposed to be impressed?

In fact my best friend is gay and I call him that all the time, it's just a word it used to refer to a pack of cigarette, and I get perma-banned for it.

your failure to distinguish what's ok to say to your friends and what is ok to say to strangers is quite disturbing. For some reason you think what you say only matters to you, which is just wrong

I find that petty, like someone was watching my account and just waiting for me to use any swear word or displaced language to sled down the hammer. Kinda sad guys.

I find it petty that you posted this complain(?) to the boards when you knowingly broke the rules and even showed in this very same post that you learned nothing of Riot's policies. It's like you got back from the 14-day ban (which you stated you didn't think you deserved) and felt like you could get away with carrying on with the same attitude without any further repercussions.

You didn't learn. You knowingly broke the rules (fresh off being punished for doing the same thing earlier) and now you're here to complain about how the rules are stupid instead of admitting that you made a mistake.

This is sad

BigalsApr 25, 20172 votes

So let me get this straight, to you guys a person feeding in a ranked game and ruining the game for up to 9 other players is less severe than someone calling names at that person?

Just if you could straight up answer that question, please try to not refuse my post letter by letter.

o Maui oApr 25, 20171 votes

Yes. Bad play is an unavoidable part of any competitive gaming environment, especially with pvp games. Being a jerk is unnecessary and avoidable.

BigalsApr 25, 20171 votes

Bad play? Man you guys are playing dumb. That naut wasn't having a bad game he was literally running through TURRETS TO DIE you know it's called INTING or using your free-will as a player to singlehandedly ruin an entire game.

PH03NIXJun 12, 20172 votes

i mean ...i was perma banned for telling somebody NOT to use it soooo beat that xD

BigalsApr 25, 20171 votes

So like the TL;DR is:

-My promos from bronze to silver, last match -Nautilus feeds 16 kills running down mid (STRAIGHT UP INTING) -I try my hardest, he keeps inting and saying K -Tilt off the face of the earth, get 14 day banned -Get back in the game, get permabanned for calling a nasus top a faggot

That nautilus indirectly got me permabanned through that string of event and he probably didn't even get a warning cause my team didn't bother reporting him. What a twisted system.

OnlyYouCanHearMeApr 25, 20175 votes

While this may sound a bit harsh, I have to disagree completely. The Nautilus did not get you permabanned. At no point did he have any control over your decision-making, or your typing. You chose to telling him to kill himself. And you chose to call the Nasus a homophobic slur. I can understand you being very angry about losing a promotional match. I can understand you being angry about having your account banned. But that doesn't mean that I would do you the disservice of lying to you about what actually caused it to happen.

You need to take the responsibility for your own actions, and it was your lack of self-control and poor choices that led you to say those things in chat, which led to you being banned. Players are rarely given a 14 day suspension as a result of a single match, it is often as a result of a pattern of escalating toxicity. And if that is the case, then it goes beyond even these two matches that you described. Should you decide to make another account, then you might want to strongly consider rethinking how you interact with other players, before it ends up this same way.

BigalsApr 25, 20171 votes

If you don't have the common sense of understanding that someone coming into a competitive match and intentionally ruining it by not competing (or in that case just feeding) excuses the flames towards that person.

If you don't have that common sense I really don't think we can keep holding this conversation, sorry.

DrCyanideApr 25, 20172 votes

Common sense says if someone is trolling you don't take the bait. Flame is just what the intentional feeder wanted, and you not only gave it to them but got yourself banned in the process.

If you're a competitive person in a competitive environment you don't do things to get you thrown out of the game.

Furthermore, if you were a competitive person and your success was reliant on the performance of players you've never met before (which is what happens in League of Legends), it'd be in your best interest to keep team moral high, encouraging players who aren't doing well. You'd do that because you're competitive and want to win, and you'd know that a teammate who's discouraged or mad at you is going to be less likely to work together with the team to win.

In short, the "competitive" excuse never holds water, because a person focused on winning wouldn't let themselves react in a way that would jeopardize their ability to win.

BigalsApr 25, 20171 votes

and you'd know that a teammate who's discouraged or mad at you is going to be less likely to work together with the team to win.

Did you not read all I said? That naut was feeding intentionally running down through two tier turrets. No one said a word to that guy, there was no discussing with him he just decided that this game he was ruining it and I was powerless and in those situations I resort to flame yes, but I think his behavior is the cornerstone of toxicity in this game and I truly believe that it initiated a string of event that got me perma-banned unjustly.

DrCyanideApr 25, 20172 votes

I did read what you said - Naut was looking to get a reaction out of you and you gave it to him. You fed the troll, satisfying him. It was what I discussed in my first paragraph.

Considering how infrequently I see intentional feeders vs people raging, I can safely say they're a side effect of toxicity, not the primary cause.

BigalsApr 25, 20171 votes

they're a side effect of toxicity, not the primary cause.

Nope, re-read what I said, the naut wasn't triggered by us to feed he did it out of his own mind. No side effect.

DrCyanideApr 25, 20171 votes

And what about your other games, or the games I played without an intentional feeder?

For someone who is insistent I read and re-read what you wrote, you don't seem to be doing a good job understanding what's being written in reply.

OnlyYouCanHearMeApr 26, 20174 votes

That isn't common sense. That is just going out of your way to insult someone because they did something you didn't like. Common sense would be knowing that if you break the rules by flaming your teammates, no matter what they did, you are subject to the penalties for breaking those rules. As far as Riot is concerned, there is never an excuse for hate speech and telling someone to self-harm.

Common sense would also be knowing that if you want a sympathetic ear from other players on the Boards, you are more likely to get it when you don't go out of your way to insult almost everyone who doesn't immediately agree with you.

BigalsApr 26, 20171 votes

Out of my way? Lmao what are you talking about matIE? I am literally sitting there in a 11 MINUTE game and naut is already 0-10 feeding literally standing there in front of my PC knowing that my time was wasted. Out of my way, you're funny you know that.

I don't need a parrot to repeat riot terms of agreement thank you though.

BigalsApr 25, 20171 votes

Holy shit you guys are fucking pathetic.

This community is just swarming with mongoloids and care bears that defend them fervently. Maybe it's best I got perma-banned lmao.

MartensiticApr 25, 20175 votes

Maybe it's best I got perma-banned lmao.

On that we absolutely agree.

BigalsApr 25, 20172 votes

You're a small person taking away your little built up failure and pain out in bursts of INTERNET SOCIAL JUSTICE, BECAUSE WORDS HURTTHHH

Pathetic

MartensiticApr 25, 20174 votes

You know what else I am?

A person who still has his account intact and playable.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

BigalsApr 25, 20171 votes

That tilts me right now but not having a playable account is probably going to do me good in the long run as this game was by far the least productive aspect of my life.

I was just coming here hoping to get some consolation from like-minded individuals with a strong sense of freedom of speech and well strung up guts. Or at least a compelling argument for my perma ban. However I found none, just little pet servants spewing back the terms of agreement of the game.

Well then, goodbye.

This Is Your DadApr 25, 20172 votes

Freedom of speech is not relevant here.

MartensiticApr 25, 20173 votes

I was just coming here hoping to get some consolation from like-minded individuals

You should probably look elsewhere.

with a strong sense of freedom of speech

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png

BigalsApr 25, 20171 votes

Didn't even read that comic lol, way too long and looks boring as fuck, pretty much like most of your posts so far.. yawn what a fn bore. \

MartensiticApr 25, 20172 votes

So much for...

Well then, goodbye.

LyndrisJun 13, 20171 votes

Freedom of any kind is an illusion, as someone else cannot control you unless you let them. And there is always a consequence, for everything. It is the third of Newtons laws, after all.

ModUlanopoApr 25, 20171 votes

The purpose of all language is to provoke a response, so that argument doesn't hold much weight with me.

AnomanderApr 26, 20171 votes

, it's just a word it used to refer to a pack of cigarette, and I get perma-banned for it.

Actually a F%%%%% is a bundle of sticks and a F** is a single cigarette in OLD British slang that is not even accepted by in any part of the UK......

If your going to make a claim at least use the right terminology.

Also you are playing on NA so even if that type of slang was accepted in EU it is not accepted in NA and you knew this.

jimbomanApr 26, 20171 votes

Um, you must have severe problems if you think it is justified to tell someone to KILL THEMSELVES.

heill singedAug 12, 20171 votes

How can we make this game fun.Hey lets make politicly correct permabans.thx riot i think fiora being broken and vayne destroying tanks in second is fun gameplay

Deªth lotusNov 13, 20171 votes

{quoted}

So I was perma-banned today for calling someone a %%%got.

I just got back from a 14-day suspension for telling a nautilus that had int'ed 16 kills (to my lane opponent) on my last promo to silver 4 to kill himself. I think it was justified, I find intentional feeding to be a more severe offense than flaming, specially when the flames are directed to someone who is inting. I have attached a pic with the naut score from that game that got be 14-day banned There

Today, not even 2 games out of my suspension I called someone a %%%got. I use that word a lot. In fact my best friend is gay and I call him that all the time, it's just a word it used to refer to a pack of cigarette, and I get perma-banned for it.

I find that petty, like someone was watching my account and just waiting for me to use any swear word or displaced language to sled down the hammer.

Kinda sad guys.

dude what is your problem, you forget that this is the generation of the cupcake and words really hurt these fucking cupcakes feelings... be nice or I might cry..