Over Sensitivity

OKuro··3 votes·1,418 views

So what's up with the over-sensitive community. I call my opponent top laner for scrub for having the jungle camp top lane and 2v1 me every minute of the game even though their mid lane also needs ganks, and the whole team attacks me! The whole team attacking me doesn't really matter to me, just wanted to point out the butthurt. So at the end of the game I'll be 3/6/4 because I was getting 2v1'd the entire time because I was pushing top lane so hard! But here's the kicker, I GET REPORTED FOR USING THE WORD 'SCRUB' AND ONLY THE WORD SCRUB BUT THE TOP LANER AND MID LANER CALL ME A 'FUCKING NOOB' AND THEY DONT GET REPORTED BUT I GET A CHAT BAN! Like what is that?! The community of League is so damn sensitive that I get chat restricted for using the word scrub, and the person using actual inappropriate language doesn't get punished at all, not even by Riot! Like it's not my fault that my EkkoEkko gameplay is so-so but so aggressive that I push hard as hell and you can't handle it, and you need your jungler to gank me, that's fine. But when your jungler is ganking me and only me 24/7, and so much that he's literally camping the bush up top, and the rest of your team needs help, you're a conceited scrub who should probably switch lanes. But in all reality, why are you people so sensitive to the word 'scrub' if you aren't a scrub? Just stop reporting for the word 'scrub' if it doesn't apply to you, amiright? But of course I'm not right because this is the internet, where you're never right, and everyone else is.

39 Comments

PlsTouchMeGently6 votes

maybe... just maybe... you should have stopped pushing lane? lol

OKuro1 votes

Once first top tower is gone, I go mid and say f-it lol

TheBlainer3 votes

everyone has comments about how someone can be a better player after the fact. the point is that people abuse the report system to an extreme and it has ruined the entire game. i have seen so many hard trolls and guess what? i mute them. problem solved.

OKuro1 votes

You sir (or madam) deserve a cookie for keeping it 100 in the comments. You speak the truth. The community is sensitive af.

JQKAndrei4 votes

You agree to the terms of use and summoners code every new patch, this gives you no right to complain about the punishments you get for not following the rules you did agree to.

OKuro1 votes

So I get reported repeatedly for only saying scrub but their whole team comes at me sideways dropping f-bombs and shit, and they get no punishment? If they reported me and they say "Check in game chat", like on the real, they should be punished as well. So explain the logic there.

JQKAndrei3 votes

The logic is that since you do it every game, as you stated "So I get reported repeatedly for only saying scrub", you get reported often. Maybe those guys just had a bad experience once and then calmed down.

OKuro1 votes

So if they had a bad experience, why play a game where they've had a bad experience. Or just why not ignore the ignorance that is someone talking mess? Like last night, a Trynd told me he didnt care that I called him a scrub, but continued to respond to everything I said, like why continue if you don't care? Explain that logic, please.

JQKAndrei1 votes

He probably continued so that your chat would have enough evidence to result in a punishment, and you went all-in on that bait.

TheBlainer1 votes

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JQKAndrei3 votes

Well if you have to resort to cursing at people because you can't handle it then you're as pathetic as those who provoke you.

OKuro1 votes

So explain to me why I got reported for saying "gg Riot matchmaking" at the end of a game, that's all I said, and I got reported for offensive language. Please explain how the community isn't sensitive as hell for that. Don't worry, I'll wait.

JQKAndrei1 votes

People report you for whatever reason or for no reason at all, doesn't mean you'll get punished for that. You only get punished for what YOU do and what YOU say. And it's not your bussiness if someone is oversensitive or not, you are not required to decide if you should be reported or not. That's the system's job, it sorts out fake reports and keeps track of the valid ones.

OKuro1 votes

You didn't answer me. You sir, are deserving of a helmet!

JQKAndrei1 votes

Some players are sensitive, ok. So what?

ShuffledPancake2 votes

Harassment = Re-portable, though i don't care either, im not gonna go cry on NA Boards

OKuro1 votes

This comment... 5 Stars, sir. Someone get this man a helmet!

TheBlainer1 votes

how about harrassment = muted? how hard is that?

Glennwood2 votes

Buy wards, and don't flame at the enemy if you get camped while being over-extended.

TheBlainer1 votes

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ModPrandine1 votes

{quoted}

you guys are just giving him advice on how to be a better top laner. do you really think that is reportable? ffs how much sand is in your vaginas? this community is so weak and sensitive that it ruined the entire game.

It depends on HOW you give the advice that matters here. If it's just you yelling and raging and demanding that they do something right away then no, that is not you giving advice, that's just you being a jerk, plain and simple. However if it's something along the lines of suggesting that they pull back on their aggression to avoid being ganked as often as they have been then yes, that is you giving advice and not being a jerk. Of course even if you are respectful about it if the other player would rather be a jerk about it then so be it-just stop trying to offer them advice if they choose to act like that.

From Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

I don't think that I should be punished for trying to give advice.

If you have been hit with a punishment, that likely means that you are being negative in your “advice” towards others. As an example, “stop feeding” is not good advice. The negative connotation around “feeding” in this game makes you seem hostile and accusatory, and will likely cause more problems than it solves. On top of that, you’re not actually giving advice, you’re only telling them what not to do rather than HOW they can stop feeding. Better advice would be to “hug your turret and wait for a gank” or “help bot snowball, I’ll be fine once we get to late game.”

Even if you are being positive or neutral with your advice, it is likely to be misconstrued as negative for a whole host of reasons:

  • While in a Ranked game, we are likely more stressed than normal, which makes us more likely to lash out at someone, even if they are trying to genuinely help
  • We often associate our teammates with raging idiots rather than people genuinely trying to help us.
  • Text has no tone of voice, so because of the above, it can easily be misconstrued (we all have our stories of that time it happened to us, even between friends and family).
  • You are at the same elo, and as a result at about the same skill level, as your allies, and are therefore not in a position to give advice to them.
  • You don’t know the mentality of the one with whom you’re giving advice to.

I want to talk about the final point especially, as there can be any number of things going on behind the screen that you don’t know about. They could be tired, or drunk, and therefore playing more sluggishly. They could be actual trolls, and don’t care what you have to say. They could already know what they’re doing, but for whatever reason (going on tilt, tunnel vision, etc), forget to act on that knowledge or experience. Or they could be genuinely unsure as to what to do. In all but the last one, they are going to be less than willing to accept anything that you say to them. Even if someone means well when they tell me how to improve in the game, I often already know what they’re trying to say, and am already beating myself up over it. Telling me what I’m doing wrong and how to improve merely irritates me even more, makes me more self-aware, and then mess up more as a result of over-thinking something.

If you are still determined to help others, then I strongly recommend that you only do so when they explicitly ask for feedback, in order to minimize your helping words to fall on deaf ears. I also recommend that you maintain a neutral or positive tone. Say what they did right before you say what they did wrong, and they’ll be more willing to listen to you, as you will come across as a more balanced individual who can recognize the strengths in others as well as the weaknesses. Also refrain from doing so while in-game, in order to minimize the impact there. There is nothing inherently wrong with giving feedback to others, but, unfortunately, you do so at your own risk.

Contributed by themaddscientist (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=48975593#post48975593))

ADDED: 01 AUG 2014

ModPrandine1 votes

If you ask me the people who are "over-sensitive" are the ones who can't stand being punished for behaving poorly around others. Also, if you really did get chat restricted then it wasn't because you only said one thing like "scrub" or whatever-no, you have to have a history of using the chat to behave poorly across multiple games in order to get punished.

From Understanding the Tribunal:

1) What's the point of having a language filter if I can get banned for 'adult' language? a) We aren't out to punish players who use adult language; in fact, very few players are ever banned for saying stuff like "f***, I missed that skill shot" or "damn, fing close game!" However, the language filter is not an excuse to verbally abuse someone in the game. When you verbally abuse or harass someone by calling them "fing *****" or "ngger noob", that's when you've crossed the line and will be punished by the Tribunal. I've said this before and I'll say it again, we aren't trying to clean online games of adult language; we're trying to reform or get rid of jerks who like to verbally abuse and harass other players.

4) That player in my game was far worse than me. Why am I banned??? a) I'll keep this one simple: retaliation isn't OK. Reacting to a toxic player by being toxic just incites that player to be even worse--it also ruins the game for up to 8 other players. It is far, far worse to watch two people yelling at each other all game than it is to watch 1 player ranting into blank space. Almost everyone in the game can find someone out there that behaves worse than they do--but so what? Finding someone worse doesn't justify your behavior or justify retaliation. We expect more out of our players. What players often don't realize is... those other players in your game that you thought were worse? Nearly 100% of the time, those players were banned even before you were. If someone is being toxic, just report them and move on. If you retaliate, both of you will be banned. It's really that simple.


From Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

I want to complain about my ban, but I didn’t link my Reform Card.

We get a lot of that here and, sadly, you’re not likely to get much in the way of sympathy or help until you post the Card. We need the context and we need to know that we’re getting the whole story. Don’t take it personally, just post the Card.


Freedom of Speech!!!!!”

Doesn’t apply. No really. If we’re talking about American law, the First Amendment only applies to the government making laws that prohibit speech and, even then, freedom of speech isn’t absolute. For example, you can’t incite a riot, plan to kill the president or yell fire in a crowded theater.

Also, there’s nothing in the First Amendment that protects you from the consequences of your speech. People are fired all the time for making derogatory comments about their employer. My workplace, for example, has a social media policy that says that I can be terminated for badmouthing the company. They don’t ask for passwords and access as some companies have been known to do, but it wouldn’t be all that difficult to find me on the internet, knowing my real name, phone number and address.


People who report are simply being oversensitive. The mute button exists for a reason.”

Let’s start with the Riot quote on this (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30696571#post30696571)): Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

Simply put, Riot says no. You can scream and cry all you want, but it is their house and their rules.

With that out of the way, I think the topic deserves some further discussion. The theory is that, if people resolved to care less, then they would be happier. I often refer to this as “Argument from Stoicism” and I think it is a fairly weak philosophy because it places the burden on the person being expected to endure the behavior rather than the person exhibiting the behavior. “You should be able to handle it” is just a flimsy excuse for being a bully or a jerk. I have to be the bigger man so that you can do whatever you want? That hardly seems fair.

There is also the issue of how I spend my limited free time. Like most people, I am constantly required to make value judgments between the different forms of entertainment that are available to me and, let's be honest, we live in an age of nearly limitless entertainment options. If I'm having a bad day in League, I can just fire up Steam and play a whole bunch of games that don't require me to put up with someone's BS.

This is not an issue of weakness or thin-skin; it's a question of choosing activities that don't leave me feeling frustrated and angry. Too many of those experiences and I'll just find something else to do. Riot knows this.

EDITED 18 JULY 2014


“If you kids report and punish things like this, you’re going to be in trouble when you get out in the real world.”

This is a subset of the oversensitivity argument, but I feel it warrants separate treatment.

You're making the highly unwarranted assumption that the people who punish for "noob" lack real-world experiences. If you were to ask the TBI regulars, you would find that almost all of us are at least in their late 20's, if not significantly older. Most of us have at least undergraduate degrees. So, this idea that we're all naive little children is more than a little silly.

Also, we know that professional players dislike people who spend their time typing because math. Not only are the report rates for the highest tiers not significantly lower than anywhere else (this from Lyte), but the pros know how that kind of behavior affects play. Someone who is on tilt is throwing the game just as much as the person who is playing poorly.

The truth of the matter is that the loose cannons end up having their misbehavior overshadow their skill. Look at Dennis Rodman. There has never been a better rebounder. Ever. But his legacy is not that he was basically a human vacuum. No, it's that he was out of control, both on and off the court.

In short, this is a stupid argument if you know anything about the people who are reporting and punishing you.


“I should be allowed to speak however I like to people who started it or are griefing me.” “I was provoked or taunted. I should be allowed to defend myself.” “Why did you vote to punish me when others were behaving worse?”

You should know that Riot specifically instructs jurors to ignore most of the conduct of people in a case other than the accused. The reason for this is rather simple: rather than one person causing trouble, you now have two –or more. In my more cynical moments, I have phrased it thus:

Timmy, Tommy and Sarah are trapped in an elevator. Timmy loses his temper and soils himself. Tommy gets angry at the smell and decides to retaliate by soiling himself. Now Sarah is trapped with two smelly idiots. Don’t be Timmy or Tommy. Stop ****ing your pants.

An informal poll of the Tribunal regulars shows that most jurors are willing to excuse a certain amount of response to someone who is attacking you, but that it isn’t considered an excuse for you to become toxic in response. You get MAYBE one or two lines of response. Anything more than that and you’re part of the problem.

From Lyte (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=27540071#post27540071)):

We strongly believe that it is not OK to retaliate. If a player refuses to cooperate and says something negative, then players should ignore the player and report them after the game. Players can ignore or mute players by pressing the “Mute” button on the Scoreboard [when you hit TAB] in the game.

Emphasis mine.

OKuro1 votes

Comment... too... long... ADOS... kickin- OOH LOOK SHINY!

TheBlainer1 votes

the time you put into this comment makes me want to give you a hug and tell you everything will be ok.

OKuro1 votes

So explain to me why I got reported for saying "gg Riot matchmaking" at the end of a game, that's all I said, and I got reported for offensive language. Please explain how the community isn't sensitive as hell for that. Don't worry, I'll wait.

ModPrandine

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So explain to me why I got reported for saying "gg Riot matchmaking" at the end of a game, that's all I said, and I got reported for offensive language. Please explain how the community isn't sensitive as hell for that. Don't worry, I'll wait.

People can report you for anything, but as long as you're not breaking any rules then you won't be punished. Those pop-ups that tell you that you've been reported allot recently are just there to remind you to watch your behavior, that's it. It doesn't mean that you've been punished. If you have been punished though then it means that you said more than just that and that you have a history of acting up in multiple games.

OKuro1 votes

You didn't answer my question... Don't worry, I'll wait...

ModPrandine

It depends on your definition of sensitive. If "sensitive" is people reporting you for being a jerk then that's not the community being sensitive, it's just you not being willing to own up to your own poor behavior. We shouldn't have to put up with you being a jerk just because you're not getting your way, hence why the report feature exists. If you won't listen to me then perhaps you'll listen to these passages from Ulanopo's Knowledge Base instead:

People who report are simply being oversensitive. The mute button exists for a reason.”

Let’s start with the Riot quote on this (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30696571#post30696571)): Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

Simply put, Riot says no. You can scream and cry all you want, but it is their house and their rules.

With that out of the way, I think the topic deserves some further discussion. The theory is that, if people resolved to care less, then they would be happier. I often refer to this as “Argument from Stoicism” and I think it is a fairly weak philosophy because it places the burden on the person being expected to endure the behavior rather than the person exhibiting the behavior. “You should be able to handle it” is just a flimsy excuse for being a bully or a jerk. I have to be the bigger man so that you can do whatever you want? That hardly seems fair.

There is also the issue of how I spend my limited free time. Like most people, I am constantly required to make value judgments between the different forms of entertainment that are available to me and, let's be honest, we live in an age of nearly limitless entertainment options. If I'm having a bad day in League, I can just fire up Steam and play a whole bunch of games that don't require me to put up with someone's BS.

This is not an issue of weakness or thin-skin; it's a question of choosing activities that don't leave me feeling frustrated and angry. Too many of those experiences and I'll just find something else to do. Riot knows this.

EDITED 18 JULY 2014


“If you kids report and punish things like this, you’re going to be in trouble when you get out in the real world.”

This is a subset of the oversensitivity argument, but I feel it warrants separate treatment.

You're making the highly unwarranted assumption that the people who punish for "noob" lack real-world experiences. If you were to ask the TBI regulars, you would find that almost all of us are at least in their late 20's, if not significantly older. Most of us have at least undergraduate degrees. So, this idea that we're all naive little children is more than a little silly.

Also, we know that professional players dislike people who spend their time typing because math. Not only are the report rates for the highest tiers not significantly lower than anywhere else (this from Lyte), but the pros know how that kind of behavior affects play. Someone who is on tilt is throwing the game just as much as the person who is playing poorly.

The truth of the matter is that the loose cannons end up having their misbehavior overshadow their skill. Look at Dennis Rodman. There has never been a better rebounder. Ever. But his legacy is not that he was basically a human vacuum. No, it's that he was out of control, both on and off the court.

In short, this is a stupid argument if you know anything about the people who are reporting and punishing you.

TheBlainer1 votes

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EvilDustMan3 votes

{quoted}

people who play this game and use the report system have pathetic lives. they are pathetic people who care way to much about random gamers on the internet. there is a mute button that they disregard because they like having conflict and feeling that they have the power to report someone and eventually cause them to be banned. the system is failed in every way, abused by trolls and pathetic people, and it needs to be changed. how hard is it to mute someone that is annoying or toxic? not hard at all, but if your life is pathetic and you are looking for someone in the internet to blame then you use the report system. it's worthless and weak, and i totally agree with your post. they need to get rid of it entirely and just use mute buttons.

I don't like yappy dogs in my games. I shouldn't have to deal with yappy dogs.

OKuro2 votes

So use the mute button that's there, you fool, and you wouldnt have to. (That logic doe. I don't wanna deal with whiny people but I use the internet. You sir, deserve a helmet)

Bettnachleger1 votes

Or maybe .... you just stfu in the first place? If you can't handle a fucking video game without getting mad (lol, it's a fucking game, grow up or get a thicker thin ;D) and start harass other people, you should go and search for a other hobby. Maybe a single player game or what ever, but for sure no multi player games. You're not mature enough. Remember, little child's are playing this game.

OKuro1 votes
  1. Learn English before you try to argue with someone from NA...
  2. What is a thicker thin? Did you mean 'get thicker skin'?
  3. And you're the one immature one playing what accounts to an MMO but not liking whiny players. YOU SIR ARE A HYPOCRITE, and are deserving of a helmet. I would also like to know how I'm not mature if I don't take the fact that I get called a scrub, like every game, detour me from trying my best and then winning and not reporting for it because it's not offensive. If someone says your suck, then you show them up, you don't act like a baby and report em, that's childish.
  4. An other game**
  5. Little kids (Or children) are playing**
Gunpoint1 votes

Didn't even read past first two sentences. "And the whole team attacks me!!!!!!!!" Sounds like you are being too sensitive ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

OKuro1 votes

And you put too many exclamation points. Actually quote my forum post and try again.

EvilDustMan1 votes

No. You shouldn't have to put up with people calling you scrubs in MMOs, especially when you are trying to concentrate on a hard situation. Having the DPS get on me while I'm trying to tank annoys me. This attitude of it's the internet, deal with it is silly. How about YOU just not be an ass?

OKuro1 votes

But what you're saying could also be turned around in my favor... How about you try to form a valid point without so many loop holes in, and try again. You sir, deserve a helmet

EvilDustMan1 votes

{quoted}

But what you're saying could also be turned around in my favor... How about you try to form a valid point without so many loop holes in, and try again. You sir, deserve a helmet

Had you kept quiet and just reported, yes.

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