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My chat logs that brought me from zero to instant perma-ban, in my personal opinion, Riot was wrong.

Dominick Destine·5/25/2016, 2:52:49 AM·12 votes·5,337 views

6:42] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Come on ziggs... [6:52] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you were WAAAAY overextended [10:55] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Far tankier than I expected. [12:11] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Wukong, you have ZERO damage. [12:21] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Just going to farm, bot has no damage, top has no damage, mid is basically afk. [12:44] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): counter ignoring janna [13:27] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I did 65% HP of Galio's max HP [13:28] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you did noithing [13:50] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you have no damage [21:16] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Yes. You are reacting much more slowly. [21:21] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Your earlier assessment was correct. [21:43] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): You should have been talking to yourself. [21:47] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): That was a 37 second chase and you did not react. [22:02] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): You were not dead, you were not oom. [23:37] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): They'r eHEAVILY stacking MR [25:25] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): dont engage [29:51] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): We have zero perssure. [29:57] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): They always have absolutely everything up. [31:50] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): so who keeps troll voting no [32:12] [All] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I don't mind losing. However, it really irks me to be stuck with 4 feeders that troll vote no... sigh [32:40] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): "clean up" says the feeder. [32:51] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Just putting you on ignore, until you stop feeding you deserve no attention [33:48] [All] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): gg

Not that it really makes a difference but here are the final scores for that particular game; http://imgur.com/eGpohUH We were getting absolutely destroyed from the very beginning.... maybe I was a bit too critical but the fact that they were hard-feeding is simply a fact.

Game 2: [12:44] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): ashe heal flash down 12:38 [13:36] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I didn't expect all 5 [16:29] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): bot and mid failed so hard, it was never winnable [16:58] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): "tilt" is just a word feeders use to make themselves feel better [17:28] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you hard-fed [18:32] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): It's been over for awhile. Bot and mid hard-fed [23:07] [All] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): gg

Game 2 final stats; http://imgur.com/rYFUZGC Wait what? upon closer inspection... how is sayings like "Yeah the game has been over for awhile" toxic when the stats show that we are insurmountably behind.

Game 3: [4:31] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): xerath flash 4:19 [7:31] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): darius?!? [7:34] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): DAIRUS?!??! [7:37] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): What are you doing? [7:48] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): They're both under 20% HP [8:01] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): What were you doing? [8:09] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I am not fighting near you again [9:29] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): who cares.... [9:38] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you guys aren't even reacting to ganks. [9:40] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): it was over before it started, [9:57] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): You guys,a s in my teammates [10:46] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): case in point [14:47] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you fed him without him even using flash? [15:33] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I can't gank if you free feed him, he had flash [17:38] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): gj jihn [17:42] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): finally, a teammate that reacts [19:32] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): jinx flash 19:19 [20:25] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Amazing. [21:03] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): oh well [27:43] [All] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): / [31:45] [All] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I have not seen darius ult a single time all game. [32:37] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): You and your duo queue fed them hard [32:40] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): it doesn't matter who I focus [32:51] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): putting you on ignore

Game 3 final stats http://imgur.com/7max3w4

According to a support ticket guy, this is counted as EXTREME toxicity (what the fuck?) so it's incredible what actual toxicity is referred to nowadays.

Now keep in mind, I am not defending myself, I believe I did deserve punishment, but zero to permaban? what?

I AM NOT ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS OR COMPASSION; What I want from you, the commnity, is to tell me in very simple terms if this behavior is worth going from zero to perma-ban. Is it toxic enough to jump past all tiers of punishment? in my opinion no. I was kind of annoying, I admit it but that doesn't place me within the 0.1% of the 0.1% that deserve instant permabans.

Like if I were constantly saying; LOL FEK U n00bs , YOU GUYS ARE A BUNDLE OF STICKS. SUCK MY SOLID SNAKE YOU PIECE OF HUMAN EXCREMENT. AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Then yeah I could see where you're coming from , but nothing even remotely resembling that appears in the chat logs. I can confidently state that Riot went too far and punishment me beyond their standard protocol without any sort of parsimony being applied. I.e. is the simplest solution to give this person a chat restriction thereby indicating that his behavior is unacceptable? now way, let's just perma-ban him, that's works better.

I've been a loyal player for 6 years, this has been the absolute worst thing Riot has done to me in particular, at the risk of sounding like a jackass; This is kind of thing you issue an apology for and then you assure the community will never happen

My main beef; Is the radio-silence. Why did this happened ? will this continue to happen? there are many unanswered questions,.

AMSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTION; Do you believe the choice to perma-ban from zero punishment tier, based on those chat logs was reasonable? Yes/No.

EDIT: As Deep Terror Nami correctly stated; Permabans are not solely reliant on chat. Other behavior is taken into consideration such as "Intentional feeding", "negative attitude" and "afking".

I never intentionally feed and I only AFK like every 0.02 % of matches (Insanely rarely), so those two are thrown out. So perhaps my "yeah this is over" or "/surrender" are the reasons the initial perma-ban was levied? I still don't think that is justification enough to go from zero to permaban...

I don't troll, I don't pick Urgot support or Leona mid (Except one time by accident lol). I play to win and the records will show that what I am saying is not a lie. Basically, the only thing I could possibly do that could be potentially considered trolling is (rarely) picking Evelynn mid... I guess also never trading in picks but, I don't troll, basically ever.

Community, I will not ask for upvotes, but please realize that this affects everyone. The level of abuse required to dump someone from zero punishment straight nto perma-ban is nothing short of tyrannical.... at least with this level of toxicity.

AND TO REITERATE FOR THE NTH TIME, I AM NOT SAYING I AM NOT TOXIC. I AM NOT SAYING I DIDN'T DESERVE PUNISHMENT. THEREFORE I AM NOT SAYIING RIOT WAS WRONG TO PUNISH ME. My entire argument is; Was this chat log and whatever accompanying information Riot has, enough to warrant taking my account from zero to instant perma-ban? I'm going to say no. This was a very serious mistake from Riot. I don't expect an apology, what I want is to know what happened.

Edit 2: You might not care, but I am losing faith in Riot, they are doing absolutely everything they can to give me the run-around when I would have settled for "Yeah we jumped the gun a little bit, our bad" , THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE EVEN IF THEIR ORDER WASN'T RESCINDED. But I am continually being told by them that I deserved a perma-ban for my "extreme toxicity". Seriously? extreme toxicity?

Faith in Riot completely lost.

Edit 3: I've been playing on a new account (obviously) since my main account is suspended... I've been exposed to a lot of toxicity, REAL toxicity. Now more than ever I am incredibly disappointed in Riot.

111 Comments

Deep Terror Nami5/25/2016, 3:03:09 AM13 votes

Your other posts say you were reduced to a 14 day ban. Your situation doesn't make much sense.

TheUltimateSpear5/25/2016, 5:50:48 PM5 votes

A Dominick Destine post and a "Why did Riot punish me post?" in one?

I'm surprised the amount of downvotes hasn't reached the same amount as Riot Socrates's post on Tyler1's permaban. : ^)

shyv5/25/2016, 3:09:22 AM4 votes

you're pretty irritating and you talk like a neckbeard which was expected after seeing your boards posts HOWEVER i agree that this shouldn't be a permaban. i got banned (last year, #reformed) for only 2 weeks and i was a lot more of an asshole than this.

the only reason imo that you should jump from a chat restrict / no previous punishment right to a permaban is for hate speech, death threats, suicide baiting, etc etc. really terrible things, none of this is that bad.

whiny as fuck though you need to stop being an overdramatic bitch.

even tho i find you annoying im on your side because this is bullshit. upvoted.

I Am Legxndary5/31/2016, 12:22:37 AM4 votes

You deserve it 100%

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Astôlfo5/26/2016, 8:35:25 PM3 votes

You talk so much, geez. Just play the game.

Your personal opinion is irrelevant, by the way.

proud and bronze5/25/2016, 3:06:30 AM3 votes

if you use chat regularly you Will end up banned.

Firu5/25/2016, 2:30:56 PM3 votes

EDIT: I posted something different but just deleted it and replaced it with the below.

You just frustrate me. Stop thinking everything is some personal attack against you by Riot's Player Behavior Support team. You weren't stonewalled or singled out or given radio silence. You are not the only case Riot deals with. They have a huge log of cases because the team is made up of humans and is not automated like the in-game chat system. They dealt with your case as soon as possible (within a matter of 3-4 days I believe). Just because they didn't give you the instantaneous attention you desire doesn't mean you were wronged.

If you weren't permanently banned (because you have even stated they overturned it) then stop claiming you were permanently banned for those logs (which were very toxic). You weren't.

Fedora Bot5/31/2016, 12:19:36 AM3 votes

Ok, reading your post, I agree it shouldn't have been a 14-day ban, let alone a permanent suspension. Maybe chat-restrictions or so to warn you. But, you were being passive-aggressive, which can piss people off.

I'm certainly not an angel either, we all have bad days. I will say this though, if you were my teammate in one of those games, I would never want to play with you again.

I'm wondering, are you this passive-aggressive in all your games that you lose?

Nik Nikerson5/31/2016, 3:00:25 AM3 votes

I got to say, this shouldn't be a zero to perma case. It shouldn't be a zero to 14-day case either. This isn't even stuff I would normally bother reporting (although I'm not going to say that someone who would is necessarily wrong). I wouldn't even chat restrict you if these were the only three cases of your behavior. I get the feeling though, mostly because you kind of admit to it, this sort of negativity is a pretty common thing, which I can see leading to a chat restriction. Regardless, I can't see any reason why you shouldn't have been given a normal punishment. Edit: This doesn't mean there isn't a reason, I just don't see it based on what you've presented.

That being said, I wouldn't expect a lot out of Riot. Large companies are generally not in the habit of apologizing any more than they absolutely have to. Unfortunately, its not just Riot. Out right going "We screwed up, and we have no good reason for our screw up" just doesn't happen.

And no offense, I think part of the negative reaction you're getting on here has a more to do with your reputation on the boards, and less to do with the fairness (or unfairness, depending on how you look at it) of your situation. Which totally isn't right by the way.

Scary Door6/4/2016, 4:13:55 PM3 votes

Having seen your chat logs it doesn't look like you're worthy of a permanent suspension, however you're definitely on the toxic continuum.

Unlike most people on the Boards that would simply want you insta-banned for being the slightest bit frustrated in chat, I'm always willing to look a bit deeper into the situation.

The only scenario I can think of is that you are either lying (have edited these chat logs, have been previously warned/punished) or that you said something in the pre/post game chat that was inherently more toxic than this, i.e. death threat, extreme racism, etc. These chat logs posted are, by no means perfect behavior, but unworthy of permanent suspension in my humble and accurate opinion :).

Sythriel Draken5/25/2016, 3:12:48 AM2 votes

That's rather tame than half the stuff that I've seen that riot has ignored. Hell, I just had a game where my support was extremely toxic, spouting hate speech and told me to uninstall, and guess what riot did to him.. Jack shit. It's almost laughable how riot's punishment system is very hypocritical and allows very toxic players to continue to play. I mean, look at how many accounts tyler 1 has and he's still playing this game even after the alleged "perma ban" leaves names turned off to make his account almost undetectable now.

EvilDustMan5/25/2016, 7:39:45 AM2 votes

Is this thread going to happen every other day now? Christ.

DoctorWolf187/11/2016, 9:10:11 PM1 votes

Don't really see you toxic in these chat logs maybe like a little bit but not worth to be perma banned. I feel you bro I get perma banned recently for standing up for myself the only toxic thing I say is fuck a lot and try to reason with my teamates but nope I am banned. Never once said anything racist or homophobic.

Dominick Destine5/25/2016, 3:23:13 AM1 votes

For the curious;

[4:31] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): xerath flash 4:19 First gank, successfully forced flash, I'm okay with that.

[7:31] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): darius?!? [7:34] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): DAIRUS?!??! [7:37] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): What are you doing? **[7:48] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): They're both under 20% ** Darius was doing pretty well and was actually ahead. I don't remember if he was level 6 by almost 8 minutes but I'm fairly certain he was, otherwise I wouldn't have made that "20% comment" , yes I was annoyed that he didn't use his ultimate WHICH WAS NOT ON COOLDOWN. But that's hardly toxic...

I guess he lagged or something.... but regardless of gameplay. I will defend my behavior in those lines of text. I was not toxic but rather confused and somewhat upset that my teammate choose not to kill two people. It made no sense to me and thus "What are you doing?", if I had said "U STUPED NOB USE ULT, IDIOT" then yeah, that'd be toxicity.... that's not what I did though.

Basically what' I'm trying to say in the nicest way possible.... Riot fucked my case up bad.

[8:09] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I am not fighting near you again

This is the closest thing to toxicity you will find... but it's complete bullshit, I'm willing to show the replay to reveal I did indeed fight near Darius again, and whoever I say that to. It's an emotional reaction but it does not affect gameplay in the slighest, review of each game will reveal this,

I'll admit that's somewhat not a good thing to say. Not exactly "Instant perma ban toxic though" especially when it's just words and actions should supersede them.

Sengarasu6/9/2016, 3:07:44 AM1 votes

any chance i can get a chat in with you?

scazzman6/5/2016, 1:24:01 AM1 votes

a compromise i thought of for this. if a player recieves a 14 day ban for chat related offenses. once theyre unbanned theyre permanently chat restricted. and banned from hextech and ranked rewards till the end of the season

Dominick Destine7/11/2016, 5:38:21 PM1 votes

A friend of mine recently told me that he didn't believe me that I got permabanned since he's significantly more toxic than I am.

I showed him this thread and he still didn't believe me, thinking that I faked the chat logs.

I showed him the screenshots of my permabanned account and he finally, FINALLY believed me.

He also told me outright that I was not toxic and it was BS that I got punished.

Sometimes it's nice to be validated.