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My chat logs that brought me from zero to instant perma-ban, in my personal opinion, Riot was wrong.

Dominick Destine··12 votes·5,337 views

6:42] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Come on ziggs... [6:52] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you were WAAAAY overextended [10:55] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Far tankier than I expected. [12:11] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Wukong, you have ZERO damage. [12:21] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Just going to farm, bot has no damage, top has no damage, mid is basically afk. [12:44] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): counter ignoring janna [13:27] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I did 65% HP of Galio's max HP [13:28] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you did noithing [13:50] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you have no damage [21:16] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Yes. You are reacting much more slowly. [21:21] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Your earlier assessment was correct. [21:43] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): You should have been talking to yourself. [21:47] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): That was a 37 second chase and you did not react. [22:02] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): You were not dead, you were not oom. [23:37] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): They'r eHEAVILY stacking MR [25:25] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): dont engage [29:51] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): We have zero perssure. [29:57] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): They always have absolutely everything up. [31:50] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): so who keeps troll voting no [32:12] [All] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I don't mind losing. However, it really irks me to be stuck with 4 feeders that troll vote no... sigh [32:40] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): "clean up" says the feeder. [32:51] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Just putting you on ignore, until you stop feeding you deserve no attention [33:48] [All] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): gg

Not that it really makes a difference but here are the final scores for that particular game; http://imgur.com/eGpohUH We were getting absolutely destroyed from the very beginning.... maybe I was a bit too critical but the fact that they were hard-feeding is simply a fact.

Game 2: [12:44] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): ashe heal flash down 12:38 [13:36] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I didn't expect all 5 [16:29] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): bot and mid failed so hard, it was never winnable [16:58] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): "tilt" is just a word feeders use to make themselves feel better [17:28] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you hard-fed [18:32] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): It's been over for awhile. Bot and mid hard-fed [23:07] [All] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): gg

Game 2 final stats; http://imgur.com/rYFUZGC Wait what? upon closer inspection... how is sayings like "Yeah the game has been over for awhile" toxic when the stats show that we are insurmountably behind.

Game 3: [4:31] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): xerath flash 4:19 [7:31] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): darius?!? [7:34] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): DAIRUS?!??! [7:37] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): What are you doing? [7:48] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): They're both under 20% HP [8:01] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): What were you doing? [8:09] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I am not fighting near you again [9:29] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): who cares.... [9:38] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you guys aren't even reacting to ganks. [9:40] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): it was over before it started, [9:57] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): You guys,a s in my teammates [10:46] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): case in point [14:47] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you fed him without him even using flash? [15:33] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I can't gank if you free feed him, he had flash [17:38] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): gj jihn [17:42] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): finally, a teammate that reacts [19:32] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): jinx flash 19:19 [20:25] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Amazing. [21:03] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): oh well [27:43] [All] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): / [31:45] [All] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I have not seen darius ult a single time all game. [32:37] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): You and your duo queue fed them hard [32:40] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): it doesn't matter who I focus [32:51] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): putting you on ignore

Game 3 final stats http://imgur.com/7max3w4

According to a support ticket guy, this is counted as EXTREME toxicity (what the fuck?) so it's incredible what actual toxicity is referred to nowadays.

Now keep in mind, I am not defending myself, I believe I did deserve punishment, but zero to permaban? what?

I AM NOT ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS OR COMPASSION; What I want from you, the commnity, is to tell me in very simple terms if this behavior is worth going from zero to perma-ban. Is it toxic enough to jump past all tiers of punishment? in my opinion no. I was kind of annoying, I admit it but that doesn't place me within the 0.1% of the 0.1% that deserve instant permabans.

Like if I were constantly saying; LOL FEK U n00bs , YOU GUYS ARE A BUNDLE OF STICKS. SUCK MY SOLID SNAKE YOU PIECE OF HUMAN EXCREMENT. AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Then yeah I could see where you're coming from , but nothing even remotely resembling that appears in the chat logs. I can confidently state that Riot went too far and punishment me beyond their standard protocol without any sort of parsimony being applied. I.e. is the simplest solution to give this person a chat restriction thereby indicating that his behavior is unacceptable? now way, let's just perma-ban him, that's works better.

I've been a loyal player for 6 years, this has been the absolute worst thing Riot has done to me in particular, at the risk of sounding like a jackass; This is kind of thing you issue an apology for and then you assure the community will never happen

My main beef; Is the radio-silence. Why did this happened ? will this continue to happen? there are many unanswered questions,.

AMSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTION; Do you believe the choice to perma-ban from zero punishment tier, based on those chat logs was reasonable? Yes/No.

EDIT: As Deep Terror Nami correctly stated; Permabans are not solely reliant on chat. Other behavior is taken into consideration such as "Intentional feeding", "negative attitude" and "afking".

I never intentionally feed and I only AFK like every 0.02 % of matches (Insanely rarely), so those two are thrown out. So perhaps my "yeah this is over" or "/surrender" are the reasons the initial perma-ban was levied? I still don't think that is justification enough to go from zero to permaban...

I don't troll, I don't pick Urgot support or Leona mid (Except one time by accident lol). I play to win and the records will show that what I am saying is not a lie. Basically, the only thing I could possibly do that could be potentially considered trolling is (rarely) picking Evelynn mid... I guess also never trading in picks but, I don't troll, basically ever.

Community, I will not ask for upvotes, but please realize that this affects everyone. The level of abuse required to dump someone from zero punishment straight nto perma-ban is nothing short of tyrannical.... at least with this level of toxicity.

AND TO REITERATE FOR THE NTH TIME, I AM NOT SAYING I AM NOT TOXIC. I AM NOT SAYING I DIDN'T DESERVE PUNISHMENT. THEREFORE I AM NOT SAYIING RIOT WAS WRONG TO PUNISH ME. My entire argument is; Was this chat log and whatever accompanying information Riot has, enough to warrant taking my account from zero to instant perma-ban? I'm going to say no. This was a very serious mistake from Riot. I don't expect an apology, what I want is to know what happened.

Edit 2: You might not care, but I am losing faith in Riot, they are doing absolutely everything they can to give me the run-around when I would have settled for "Yeah we jumped the gun a little bit, our bad" , THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE EVEN IF THEIR ORDER WASN'T RESCINDED. But I am continually being told by them that I deserved a perma-ban for my "extreme toxicity". Seriously? extreme toxicity?

Faith in Riot completely lost.

Edit 3: I've been playing on a new account (obviously) since my main account is suspended... I've been exposed to a lot of toxicity, REAL toxicity. Now more than ever I am incredibly disappointed in Riot.

111 Comments

Deep Terror Nami13 votes

Your other posts say you were reduced to a 14 day ban. Your situation doesn't make much sense.

Reaper Review6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Y0E4G0c6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-25T03:03:09.829+0000)

Your other posts say you were reduced to a 14 day ban. Your situation doesn't make much sense.

He's still hung up on the fact that they issued him a permanent ban in the first place, even if they did end up lowering it, and he wants to know why it happened.

I think.

Deep Terror Nami9 votes

It's disingenuous to continue claiming to be permabanned for the behavior when that punishment was reduced. From reading the other posts it appears to have been a manual punishment (which is why he received no chat logs initially), and that could mean the real reason for the punishment given may not be included in these logs.

If everything relevant he received has been presented in these posts already, the proper thing to do would be to continue dialogue with Player Support. There's a reason he was given a ban even if it was a mistake, and judging from the logs he's giving it doesn't look like we (and possibly he) have been presented it yet.

Dominick Destine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Y0E4G0c6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-25T03:03:09.829+0000)

Your other posts say you were reduced to a 14 day ban. Your situation doesn't make much sense.

You're right in that sense but that's not what I'm talking about. It is (ironically) disingenuous to pretend like that is the case when you know it is not.

I am arguing the original decision; By what logic did an employee look at this chat logs and come to the conclusion; "Yep, this guy's definitely going from zero to permaban". What is going on? this is not normal. I AM toxic, but not that much.

shyv3 votes

so riot reversed your permaban and you're still complaining about it........?

Fovere4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Y0E4G0c6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-25T03:03:09.829+0000)

Your other posts say you were reduced to a 14 day ban. Your situation doesn't make much sense.

The post makes plenty of sense.

He was issued an instant perma-ban w/ no warning for behavior that a lot of people don't feel should even be punishable in the first place.

The guy had to fight to hold onto an account for doing basically nothing. Using chat. God forbid.

Dominick Destine2 votes

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The post makes plenty of sense.

He was issued an instant perma-ban w/ no warning for behavior that a lot of people don't feel should even be punishable in the first place.

The guy had to fight to hold onto an account for doing basically nothing. Using chat. God forbid.

Thank you! Phew.

It's really troublesome that so people many are against me... I understand I am contentious person but I was honestly expecting the community to overwhelmingly be on my side. Apparently I was wrong.

Astôlfo1 votes

Why would they be on your side at all, let alone overwhelmingly?

TheUltimateSpear5 votes

A Dominick Destine post and a "Why did Riot punish me post?" in one?

I'm surprised the amount of downvotes hasn't reached the same amount as Riot Socrates's post on Tyler1's permaban. : ^)

shyv4 votes

you're pretty irritating and you talk like a neckbeard which was expected after seeing your boards posts HOWEVER i agree that this shouldn't be a permaban. i got banned (last year, #reformed) for only 2 weeks and i was a lot more of an asshole than this.

the only reason imo that you should jump from a chat restrict / no previous punishment right to a permaban is for hate speech, death threats, suicide baiting, etc etc. really terrible things, none of this is that bad.

whiny as fuck though you need to stop being an overdramatic bitch.

even tho i find you annoying im on your side because this is bullshit. upvoted.

I Am Legxndary4 votes

You deserve it 100%

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

proud and bronze3 votes

if you use chat regularly you Will end up banned.

shyv10 votes

that is 100% not how the system works lmao

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

It is if you are toxic when using the chat. :P

shyv1 votes

well, yeah, in which case the system is working as intended. this guy means just talking in general will get you banned which is definitely not true.

my uncle has been playing this game for 4 years. always social in his games, never had so much as a chat restriction. don't think he's even had a warning, but even then, false reports will give you a warning so those mean nothing.

Firu3 votes

EDIT: I posted something different but just deleted it and replaced it with the below.

You just frustrate me. Stop thinking everything is some personal attack against you by Riot's Player Behavior Support team. You weren't stonewalled or singled out or given radio silence. You are not the only case Riot deals with. They have a huge log of cases because the team is made up of humans and is not automated like the in-game chat system. They dealt with your case as soon as possible (within a matter of 3-4 days I believe). Just because they didn't give you the instantaneous attention you desire doesn't mean you were wronged.

If you weren't permanently banned (because you have even stated they overturned it) then stop claiming you were permanently banned for those logs (which were very toxic). You weren't.

Astôlfo3 votes

You talk so much, geez. Just play the game.

Your personal opinion is irrelevant, by the way.

Dominick Destine2 votes

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You talk so much, geez.

Uhh what? on average from those three matches, I was sending one message every 2.5 minutes, that average includes flash timers and "gg" so WTF are you talking about?

Fedora Bot3 votes

Ok, reading your post, I agree it shouldn't have been a 14-day ban, let alone a permanent suspension. Maybe chat-restrictions or so to warn you. But, you were being passive-aggressive, which can piss people off.

I'm certainly not an angel either, we all have bad days. I will say this though, if you were my teammate in one of those games, I would never want to play with you again.

I'm wondering, are you this passive-aggressive in all your games that you lose?

Nik Nikerson3 votes

I got to say, this shouldn't be a zero to perma case. It shouldn't be a zero to 14-day case either. This isn't even stuff I would normally bother reporting (although I'm not going to say that someone who would is necessarily wrong). I wouldn't even chat restrict you if these were the only three cases of your behavior. I get the feeling though, mostly because you kind of admit to it, this sort of negativity is a pretty common thing, which I can see leading to a chat restriction. Regardless, I can't see any reason why you shouldn't have been given a normal punishment. Edit: This doesn't mean there isn't a reason, I just don't see it based on what you've presented.

That being said, I wouldn't expect a lot out of Riot. Large companies are generally not in the habit of apologizing any more than they absolutely have to. Unfortunately, its not just Riot. Out right going "We screwed up, and we have no good reason for our screw up" just doesn't happen.

And no offense, I think part of the negative reaction you're getting on here has a more to do with your reputation on the boards, and less to do with the fairness (or unfairness, depending on how you look at it) of your situation. Which totally isn't right by the way.

Firu4 votes

My own negative reaction to this thread is that the OP is constantly couching the argument as "Riot permanently banned me" even though Riot overturned his permanent ban. It implies that he is still permanently banned and that it was unfair. Even though, Riot agreed with him that it was unfair and undid it's initial punishment. Thus, Riot doesn't actually think this log was perma-ban worthy.

It's also a fair amount of "I'm not asking for special treatment" while constantly asking why Riot isn't responding to his individual and specific case.

Dominick Destine2 votes

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My own negative reaction to this thread is that the OP is constantly couching the argument as "Riot permanently banned me" even though Riot overturned his permanent ban.

Being put to death row and then being reduced to 20 years in prison for jaywalking 50 times is a two-fold offense of the justice system; 1- That someone would be put on death row for jaywalking in the first place 2- That someone would be given such an extreme sentence for jaywalking at all, regardless of the reduction.

(states in this thread that) he is still permanently banned and that it was unfair.

At no point during the thread did I say "I am still perma-banned".

It's also a fair amount of "I'm not asking for special treatment" while constantly asking why Riot isn't responding to his individual and specific case.

This case is particularly egregious. That is justification.

Jorencice1 votes

Lol you wernt jay walking.

That was at least mid tier toxicity.

So I'd a a repeat shoplifter.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Lol you wernt jay walking.

It was an analogy, it wasn't literal.

That was at least mid tier toxicity.

I would argue that it was on the low end of the toxicity scale.

So I'd a a repeat shoplifter.

You'd what a repeat shoplifter...?

Put them on death row? that's absurd.

Jorencice1 votes

Actually. If you wanted my actual opinion.

I think all theft should be immediate death penalty.

It's estimated that prices are 320% higher due to shop lifting over the last 100 years.

So just think about that the next time your buying 100$ jeans.

Dominick Destine1 votes

{quoted}

I think all theft should be immediate death penalty.

Never go full Renekton.

Jorencice1 votes

Lol. Shrug.

Rape is theivery of ones body

Murder is theivery of ones life.

Theft is theivery of ones livelyhood.

I think all thefts deserve immediate death penalty due to the horrendous nature of all theivery.

But hey i actually care about society and want to fix it.

Scary Door3 votes

Having seen your chat logs it doesn't look like you're worthy of a permanent suspension, however you're definitely on the toxic continuum.

Unlike most people on the Boards that would simply want you insta-banned for being the slightest bit frustrated in chat, I'm always willing to look a bit deeper into the situation.

The only scenario I can think of is that you are either lying (have edited these chat logs, have been previously warned/punished) or that you said something in the pre/post game chat that was inherently more toxic than this, i.e. death threat, extreme racism, etc. These chat logs posted are, by no means perfect behavior, but unworthy of permanent suspension in my humble and accurate opinion :).

Dominick Destine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Scary Door,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Y0E4G0c6,comment-id=0018,timestamp=2016-06-04T16:13:55.611+0000)

Having seen your chat logs it doesn't look like you're worthy of a permanent suspension, however you're definitely on the toxic continuum.

Sure, I never denied that I was toxic.... my post history on these very forums will show that I am consistently 'annoying'.... but not to the degree of "HOLY SHT THIS GUY NEEDS TO BE INSTANTLY PERMABANNED AT ALL COST /hits the manual perma-ban button" which is what they did to me.

The only scenario I can think of is that you are either lying (have edited these chat logs, have been previously warned/punished)

Nope. I am not lying , these chat logs were not edited and the last time I was warned/punished was several years ago.

or that you said something in the pre/post game chat that was inherently more toxic than this, i.e. death threat, extreme racism, etc.

On very rare occasions I would rage alongside my teammates post-game, but never to the degree of some type of death threat or "extreme racism", it would usually be limited to "Dat damage bar says it all" in 99% of cases...and in that 1% it would be "sigh, garbage teammates". Never anything worse.

These chat logs posted are, by no means perfect behavior, but unworthy of permanent suspension in my humble and accurate opinion

I tend to agree.... well, that's a colossal understatement.

Riot royally botched my case and horribly mistreated me , I sure wish Tantram were here instead of ignoring my case.

RiceNRG1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Y0E4G0c6,comment-id=00180000,timestamp=2016-06-04T16:58:42.519+0000)

Sure, I never denied that I was toxic.... my post history on these very forums will show that I am consistently 'annoying'.... but not to the degree of "HOLY SHT THIS GUY NEEDS TO BE INSTANTLY PERMABANNED AT ALL COST /hits the manual perma-ban button" which is what they did to me.

Nope. I am not lying , these chat logs were not edited and the last time I was warned/punished was several years ago.

On very rare occasions I would rage alongside my teammates post-game, but never to the degree of some type of death threat or "extreme racism", it would usually be limited to "Dat damage bar says it all" in 99% of cases...and in that 1% it would be "sigh, garbage teammates". Never anything worse.

I tend to agree.... well, that's a colossal understatement.

Riot royally botched my case and horribly mistreated me , I sure wish Tantram were here instead of ignoring my case.

when i got my 14 day ban, they showed me 3 games of my logs. Only once of them were above your level of toxic. When i got my permaban, all i really said that was offensive was "i made you eat your words %%%got" to the morgana and jinx who was shit talking me. I honestly don't think i deserved to get permabanned for that one sentence, because they should have known shit was gonna hit them if we had cameback, which we did. SMH. I figured out riot mostly likely uses bots for the tribunal and if you says the filtered words in their system, in 3-5 minutes after your game they will send you the notification.

Sythriel Draken2 votes

That's rather tame than half the stuff that I've seen that riot has ignored. Hell, I just had a game where my support was extremely toxic, spouting hate speech and told me to uninstall, and guess what riot did to him.. Jack shit. It's almost laughable how riot's punishment system is very hypocritical and allows very toxic players to continue to play. I mean, look at how many accounts tyler 1 has and he's still playing this game even after the alleged "perma ban" leaves names turned off to make his account almost undetectable now.

EvilDustMan2 votes

Is this thread going to happen every other day now? Christ.

Dominick Destine1 votes

For the curious;

[4:31] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): xerath flash 4:19 First gank, successfully forced flash, I'm okay with that.

[7:31] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): darius?!? [7:34] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): DAIRUS?!??! [7:37] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): What are you doing? **[7:48] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): They're both under 20% ** Darius was doing pretty well and was actually ahead. I don't remember if he was level 6 by almost 8 minutes but I'm fairly certain he was, otherwise I wouldn't have made that "20% comment" , yes I was annoyed that he didn't use his ultimate WHICH WAS NOT ON COOLDOWN. But that's hardly toxic...

I guess he lagged or something.... but regardless of gameplay. I will defend my behavior in those lines of text. I was not toxic but rather confused and somewhat upset that my teammate choose not to kill two people. It made no sense to me and thus "What are you doing?", if I had said "U STUPED NOB USE ULT, IDIOT" then yeah, that'd be toxicity.... that's not what I did though.

Basically what' I'm trying to say in the nicest way possible.... Riot fucked my case up bad.

[8:09] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I am not fighting near you again

This is the closest thing to toxicity you will find... but it's complete bullshit, I'm willing to show the replay to reveal I did indeed fight near Darius again, and whoever I say that to. It's an emotional reaction but it does not affect gameplay in the slighest, review of each game will reveal this,

I'll admit that's somewhat not a good thing to say. Not exactly "Instant perma ban toxic though" especially when it's just words and actions should supersede them.

Reaper Review2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Y0E4G0c6,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-05-25T03:23:13.485+0000)

Basically what' I'm trying to say in the nicest way possible.... Riot fucked my case up bad.

Then talk to Riot about it. Nobody on this board's going to have the answers you need/want.

Dominick Destine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Reaper Review,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Y0E4G0c6,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-05-25T03:27:21.912+0000)

Then talk to Riot about it. Nobody on this board's going to have the answers you need/want.

Oh of course I have a support ticket underway.

But that is very short sighted of you... do you not understand that this affects us all? if toxicity can be as low as mine and you can go from zero to permaban, then what's to stop YOU from being permabanned next?

Reaper Review3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Y0E4G0c6,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2016-05-25T03:29:01.511+0000)

Oh of course I have a support ticket underway.

But that is very short sighted of you... do you not understand that this affects is all? if toxicity can be as low as mine and you can go from zero to permaban, then what's to stop YOU from being permabanned next?

Ironically, I already am permanently banned. That was my own fault, though, and has no bearing on this topic.

That said, this is like your third or fourth thread about your situation. Nobody else on this board has anything more they can really say, and it's not like this is a regular occurrence. You're a very rare case of a permanent ban that doesn't seem to be justified, which is fine. Mistakes happen. Just wait for your ticket response and converse with the people who can actually contribute.

These threads don't accomplish anything and just make you look like an entitled asshat, no offense.

scazzman1 votes

a compromise i thought of for this. if a player recieves a 14 day ban for chat related offenses. once theyre unbanned theyre permanently chat restricted. and banned from hextech and ranked rewards till the end of the season

Sengarasu1 votes

any chance i can get a chat in with you?

Dominick Destine1 votes

Not sure why you'd want to, but sure if you want to talk add me in game.

Dominick Destine1 votes

A friend of mine recently told me that he didn't believe me that I got permabanned since he's significantly more toxic than I am.

I showed him this thread and he still didn't believe me, thinking that I faked the chat logs.

I showed him the screenshots of my permabanned account and he finally, FINALLY believed me.

He also told me outright that I was not toxic and it was BS that I got punished.

Sometimes it's nice to be validated.

TrulyBland3 votes

Yeah... it's not like RIOT THEMSELVES validated you, by reversing your ban, or anything. But hey, congratulations. Now you additionally have the validation by someone who is, according to you, even more toxic than you are... I mean, it's not like that is going to distort their point of view on what should be considered toxic.

Seriously, it seems like you've given up any attempt at even trying to sound logical.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Yeah... it's not like RIOT THEMSELVES validated you, by reversing your ban, or anything.

That is irrelevant.

Riot decided I was toxic enough to go from ZERO TO PERMABAN. The fact that it was later overturned after I pursued that avenue is another story entirely, good try though.

TrulyBland1 votes

Riot decided I was toxic enough to go from ZERO TO PERMABAN.

That is irrelevant.

My point was, that you have your validation. And you have your validation from somebody who should matter a lot more than another toxic player. You have your fucking validation from the highest authority on bans there is. I merely called you out on your (at this point rather ridiculous) attempts of acting like a victim.

Literally not a single person I've seen is arguing that you should have stayed permabanned. Nobody I've seen is saying your logs warranted an instant permaban. At this point not even Riot is disagreeing with you. And, yet, here you are stating how "sometimes", it's nice to be validated.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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That is irrelevant.

Nonsense, that is and always was, the core premise.

If you get sent to death row for jaywalking, even if you are released later when it is determined that the punishment was horrendously wrong.... the call was made and it was wrong to a level that merits an explanation.

TrulyBland1 votes

Yeah, but if you get sent to death row for jaywalking and you then tell me how you ate a banana once, the core premise of that would be that you ate a banana once. And whatever your "core premise" is, if I know that you didn't, in fact, eat a banana, I will call you out on that. That doesn't mean I disagree with your core premise. It means I disagree with what you say. If what I have to say about your post is irrelevant, then your post is irrelevant.

Sometimes it's nice to be validated.

You said this, or not? You did? Great. Then I will comment on this thing you said.

So: Why do you say sometimes? Is it usually not the case? If so, give me examples, because so far I haven't seen anybody that disagreed with what you call your "core premise".

We're back at the core idea we always end up at: Either you're being intentionally misleading or simply don't know how to convey your thoughts. At this point, I find it hard to tell, but I will continue to explain it to you.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Yeah, but if you get sent to death row for jaywalking and you then tell me how you ate a banana once, the core premise of that would be that you ate a banana once.

Never make an analogy again. You have no talent for it.

So: Why do you say sometimes? Is it usually not the case?

It's not complicated, I should never have been so severely punished to begin with and yet Riot deemed it necessary to send someone with low to moderate toxicity from zero to permaban.

Whether they later decided going from zero to the second-to-last tier of punishment was appropriate (That's still severe overkill), the core premise is still that they deemed it appropriate to do what they did in the beginning.

If so, give me examples

I already did. It's not complicated.

TrulyBland1 votes

It's not complicated, I should never have been so severely punished to begin with and yet right deemed it necessary to send someone with low to moderate toxicity from zero to permaban.

How does that follow from the statement "Sometimes it's nice to be validated"?

And no, you didn't give me any examples of anybody disagreeing with you on whether or not you should have been permabanned. Edit: Well, except for that one person (or maybe a few, who cares) that permabanned you.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Literally not a single person I've seen is arguing that you should have stayed permabanned. Nobody I've seen is saying your logs warranted an instant permaban.

There's a guy in a new thread that is literally arguing that I should have remained permabanned.

So ha-ha ! I win.... 2 months later.

DoctorWolf181 votes

Don't really see you toxic in these chat logs maybe like a little bit but not worth to be perma banned. I feel you bro I get perma banned recently for standing up for myself the only toxic thing I say is fuck a lot and try to reason with my teamates but nope I am banned. Never once said anything racist or homophobic.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Don't really see you toxic in these chat logs maybe like a little bit but not worth to be perma banned. I feel you bro I get perma banned

I tend to agree.

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