At what point are these the same thing?

I Like Teemo·4/17/2019, 4:38:02 AM·1 votes·1,954 views

"Purposely playing in a way to make it harder for the rest of the team." "Choosing unusual champions, building unusual items, or experimenting with new ideas that don’t match the current"

and where does "playing for fun" belong since playing to win and playing to have fun are very different and you can be punished for not playing to win like if you queue with the intention of afk farming to try to break a record of how much cs you can possibly get in a game, is that griefing since technically you dont want the game to end before a certain point? you are not trying to lose but you dont necessarily want to win either.. like those games in oce that are 6+ hours long, those are considered griefing are they not?

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Imperial Pandaa4/17/2019, 5:30:43 AM2 votes

The answer is intent. Which is sadly a complicated thing to determine.

Cheini4/17/2019, 8:32:02 AM1 votes

the difference is like "win" and "win at any cost"..

like, i often play Ashe supp because i know it works - instead, i could go the highest winrate supp available and make it so much easier for the team, yet i will do my best to win! And it is fine.

i could also go Aurelion Sol supp, which i know is illogical and lose. This would be troll, and the system would probably catch me as ..y aurelion. xd

then i could play janna and dance the adc, putting afk shields and eating/watching stuff on youtube/playing minecraft/studying for school/etc in the meantime. Again troll, and the system won't catch me.

i could prolong the game a bit because i know i am properly fed and can carry the game, and the risk of enemy's return is minimal (for now).. split push while the enemy team is 5v4-ing. K, so long as i don't go far enough to know i can lose and fail the game for my teammates.

i could play full ap sona, even though she shines late game, at like 25 min+. The team might not be entirely k with that, yet once we get there, the build is logical and also i will become a win condition.

i could play ad soraka on aram and no one is allowed to say anything. On ranked, i am seriously harming the chances of the team to win, and is not so k... unless i am sure i know what i am doing. And soraka mid is op, maybe not in too high elo but.

the roaming supp case - is it k to do it? yes, and it often wins the game. So long as you don't destroy the game for the adc completely, like starting top and ..er staying there. xd Even that might be k sometimes.. if he agrees or is fine in the current game. When to start roaming and leave the adc vulnerable is up to you, and it can be: 1) nbish by him, 2) nbish by you, 3) proper and worth (maybe not so much sometimes), 4) troll/retaliation.

lcs vayne mid. enough said.. xd

can the ifs tell properly of my intentions? no. It depends on your choice. :)