Bring it back!

MustardTigerMK·Jan 24, 2019·1 votes·2,522 views

Permanent chat restrictions over permanent bans. Make it so it is impossible to permanently ban someone over chat, restrict their chat! If they insist on physically being toxic (pings, feeding, etc.) then permanently ban them. Easy. It is harder to tell if someone is int but I mean if enough reports come in then.....common sense factors in here. Give people with the permanent chat restriction pre loaded chat "GL HF" "GG" and "Thanks" limit the amount of times they can say it though.

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RallerenPJan 24, 20194 votes

Give people with the permanent chat restriction pre loaded chat "GL HF" "GG" and "Thanks" limit the amount of times they can say it though.

"GL HF" he said in chat, but he had already clicked under the mid lane tower. There was no other way he could ruin to game, and he knew this was the only way.

Seriously. There is a reason Riot removed the permanent chat restrictions. They just didn't work. The people toxic enough to actually get them would just start inting instead.

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

So if you made a "progress bar" of how toxic you are then you can only play with people within your range.

For example:

If someone was toxic 5% of their games, they would play with people that are reported and deemed toxic within the 0%-10% range of toxicity. 10%+ Toxicity play with 10%-40%, 40% levels and above toxicity play with each other.

ShiwahJan 26, 20192 votes

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MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

I've had an increase in toxic teams since posting on the boards, you sure the island isn't still around? Lol

DrCyanideJan 26, 20191 votes

Can safely say that's a coincidence. If Riot was automatically monitoring the Boards then the mods would be long gone.

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

Third game in a row now all three games toxic teams...virtually unwinnable as I almost carried the first two (as support it's hard) the third game played very poorly myself. ADC went afk for 2 minutes early into lane phase, vayne was up 90 cs to 25cs by the time he came back. then the team talked about ramen all game. they weren't "toxic" in chat so of course nothing will be done.

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

One can play their heart out though, type something negative and be banned! nice system.

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

4th game in a row now. We asked two consistent feeders to not push out near the end of the game, one pushed out got lured into a 1v5. The other one for some reason did the same thing 10 seconds later, the enemy pushed in 3v5 and we lost.

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

Also got reported probably without the guy saying anything. Tryn hit ult and a talon(the feeder) after I locked down the tryn with my q, talon stood beside him and let tryn kill him. I think talon was trying to ks or something. Anyways commenting on someones play is report worthy and I did it so I guess I should get a punishment now. Two games in a row I commented about someone going afk, eating ramen and someone who plays punchy face with a tryn while his ult is up.

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

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Third game in a row now all three games toxic teams...virtually unwinnable as I almost carried the first two (as support it's hard) the third game played very poorly myself. ADC went afk for 2 minutes early into lane phase, vayne was up 90 cs to 25cs by the time he came back. then the team talked about ramen all game. they weren't "toxic" in chat so of course nothing will be done.

BTW I probably got reported in this game because I suggested that he made/ate ramen before the game loads not immediately after laning. They all turned on me and seemed to enjoy talking about ramen, trying to set me off. Prime example of how people toy with the system and try to lure people into toxic chat logs.

RallerenPJan 26, 20191 votes

That's a trap.

Riot already knows that pairing toxic players with toxic players result in more severe toxicity, and in turn people will become even more toxic afterwards.

It's a concept called prisoners island, and Riot has stated that they don't wish to implement such a feature, because it makes it ALOT harder to reform, without justifiable positive gain.

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

Another options is to have the progress bar and have riot set guidelines (if reported in more than 10% of games after 100+ games played you'll be reviewed for punishment). Alows people to have a clear idea of when they are being reported and they can get a feel for what actions players report.

Or an email after everytime you get reported with details. Give an option to agree or disagree with the report and state why you disagree similar to the text given by people reporting.

Or make a rule that if you intend on reporting someone you must say "I'm muting you and now reporting you"

My biggest problem with the system is people argue with people then report them. Like how is it a fair system when you get punished after reacting to being treated like dog poop and the reported by the person antagonizing you.

MustardTigerMKJan 24, 20192 votes

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Give people with the permanent chat restriction pre loaded chat "GL HF" "GG" and "Thanks" limit the amount of times they can say it though.

Great idea! With preloaded chat for toxic people you essentially make it so their only option is to be friendly within chat creating a non toxic environment.

Quiet DudeJan 24, 201917 votes

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Give people with the permanent chat restriction pre loaded chat &quot;GL HF&quot; &quot;GG&quot; and &quot;Thanks&quot; limit the amount of times they can say it though.

Great idea! With preloaded chat for toxic people you essentially make it so their only option is to be friendly within chat creating a non toxic environment.

Did you forget to switch to your alt account when you responded to your own post? Dont forget to login on your other account to upvote your own post too.

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

No, it was solely for comedic value and I wouldn't associate myself with someone who didn't see that.

pulls out..... drives away

ShiwahJan 24, 20192 votes

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MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

You're the man Steve!

ModPrandineJan 25, 20192 votes

First off, permanent bans have always existed, even during the days of infinitely scaling chat restrictions.

Second off, from Riot Tantram:

It really breaks down into two categories.

1.) Helping players reform 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost.

We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.

We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it.

We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling.

The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS.

So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat?

If someone isn't gonna behave properly despite being given multiple chances to do so then why shouldn't they be removed from the game?

MustardTigerMKJan 25, 20191 votes

Your system still leaves room for error. There is a percentage of people permanently banned that didn't deserve it. The rules are so strict that, yes the average toxic person will get banned very quickly. But there are those that don't deserve to be banned, with such strict rules everyone is bound to mess up. History repeats itself, long time players with a lot of games have gotten bans due to the strict rules. I personally believe it to be unfair to treat someone with 1000 games that was toxic 5% of his games (50) the same as you would someone with 100 games whom was toxic in 55% of his games (55), that means that the person with the lower game count was slightly more than 10 times as toxic or (1000% more toxicity).

People repeat over and over that you deserve it but you're left as what you thought was a valued customer and gamer to become a person who constantly posts on your forums.

I didn't proof read sorry for edits.

MustardTigerMKJan 25, 20191 votes

And I know Riot sets rules and I can live with it or stop playing, I've heard that before.

If you had a HotDog stand would you treat the customer you saw one-hundred times better then the one you've seen once? The strict no nonsense answer would be of course! I would treat every customer equally and that may be so. However, there are surely those that would value the customer with more visits to my HotDog stand and it even may be so that this number of people that would treat a regular customer better is above 50% within the popular vote. Shouldn't Riots "rules" reflect the people that play it?

MustardTigerMKJan 25, 20191 votes

I hate it when toxicity ruins my game but I mute the players after warning and keep saying things like "Let's bring it together team and win this!" "we're still in this!" then if they don't feed/int still tries to win (I can normally tell) I don't report them. Mute is an option for mouthy players. If you ignore them by muting, it will solve most issues as they will keep talking thinking you're looking. His play will eventually improve or take a nose dive to the point where he is obviously physically trying to ruin the game, not just mentally. Chat restrictions lead to problems with people that just wanted to vent, only a true troll would start to physically ruin the game. I think there should be valid proof that when someone is at the stage of a permanent ban, I think that if someone was led on and lured into arguments over chat but physically still tried his or her best to win the game, he or she should not be banned.

These are just ideas so instead of thinking of ways to disprove what I say, come up with solutions that would help the 10% of people that were honest league players who feel they were punished too harshly considering the very small percentage of overall games in which they were toxic.

Thanks.

MustardTigerMKJan 25, 20191 votes

Also - in order to report someone you should first mute the person you intend on reporting. The best thing to do is to mute someone(suggestion, I know but so are rules truly, suggestion) therefor someone who is enforcing the rules by reporting someone, they should also follow the rules themselves or suggestion of muting someone which all your data and testing I'm sure shows is the best way to battle a toxic player. After muting said toxic person, you can observe this players chat in an environment that is free of the person reporting being able to see what this person types. In a nutshell, if you don't hear what the player is saying, you can't make a reaction to it which of course is what this person is looking for. Companionship.

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

Companionship.

You mean reaction

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

Thank-you!

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

A true system would follow the rules both ways not just one. Stop feeding the toxicity by not muting someone. If you report, you must mute or the report is invalid, chat logs will show when mute occurred and then the players chat will be observed. If players on the team choose to not mute the person but also does not report them, their conversation is taken into context and they should be free to have a debate as they see fit as the other players should have muted the person bothering them via chat, observing their physical toxicity and report if you find them to physically throw the gameThe reason shouldn't be, he chatted in a toxic way, ruin how I played and ruined the game Mute. Observe. Report.

One can only measure ones true toxicity when one is alone meaning you can never truly know if one is toxic at their core.

PH45Jan 24, 20191 votes

No. No need to give toxic players any more room to ruin games. They already tried permamuting and it didn't obviously work since it wasn't implemented.

MustardTigerMKJan 25, 20191 votes

In a world that talks of reform, nobody is very forgiving.

Telephone BoothJan 25, 20191 votes

I guess they tried it years ago. If it worked to their satisfaction, we would still have it today. So no. Theyre not gonna make backwards decisions.

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

The consumer should be the one left satisfied. A true troll would create multiple accounts, casual long time players have had their accounts a long time and yes deemed toxic but the point you're missing is there is a certain percentage of people that didn't fully understand the rules (does everyone comb over them finely? Assuming most just click ok), casual gamer sometimes gets toxic and over time it amounts to enough for the strict rules to ban that player and makes it unfair for the longtime player to be treated the same as a troll with multiple accounts. I don't know about you but if I wanted to troll this game that I love playing, I would make a new account before doing so. It's not an excuse but I think sympathy has to come into play when someone truly didn't mean for something to happen. Nobody has ever made more then four mistakes in their lives? Maybe no if you're 9 but adults play the game too.

Telephone BoothJan 26, 20191 votes

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The consumer should be the one left satisfied. A true troll would create multiple accounts, casual long time players have had their accounts a long time and yes deemed toxic but the point you're missing is there is a certain percentage of people that didn't fully understand the rules (does everyone comb over them finely? Assuming most just click ok), casual gamer sometimes gets toxic and over time it amounts to enough for the strict rules to ban that player and makes it unfair for the longtime player to be treated the same as a troll with multiple accounts. I don't know about you but if I wanted to troll this game that I love playing, I would make a new account before doing so. It's not an excuse but I think sympathy has to come into play when someone truly didn't mean for something to happen. Nobody has ever made more then four mistakes in their lives? Maybe no if you're 9 but adults play the game too.

Alright well im just saying. I dont know their exact reasons. If it were up to me, chat wouldnt be policed AT ALL. But theyre obviously not going to REGRESS as a company by going back to old ways that they found unsatisfactory. If anything, they will change it in a different way that resembles some sort of progress lol.

I cant speak on players' satisfaction. I have zero access to any data outside of player's opinions on the forums, which seems to be majorly disagreeing with you, but even that is sort of irrelevant because the forums themselves dont represent the majority of players. The amount of people who use the forums is just way too low to build any sort of public opinion based on them.

And im 32, been playing this game for like 5 years now, no punishments ever. Mature players dont really give a fuck about chat rules, because we arent babies who insult peoples abilities to play a pointless fucking video game. Most adults realize the inconsequential nature of a video game and dont get so emotional over it. Or they will have the wisdom to know that it may be best to find the rules before getting into the game, in order to protect their accounts.

Also, stop saying mistake as if mistakes and accidents are the same thing. Mistakes have consequences. Grow up and be responsible for your mistakes. "Ohhh youve never made four mistakes??" Yeah, i have. And i accept the consequences of them. Thats why I'm 32 living paycheck to paycheck in a shitty apartment dude. Mistakes. Lol.

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

Bravo, you really put me in my place. I hope you feel like a hero buddy lol. Anyone who would agree with me has been banned from the forums as well lol. I never spent any of my time bashing anyone for anything. I've been making comments about the posts. You may want to read the rules of the forums before you mock me and talk to me as if I'm a child. I've seen a lot and I doubt you're harder than me. Congratulations on having a steady head on your shoulders but not everyone does. 32 and posting on LoL forums, real mature Bradley.

Something you should take away from this is that not everyone is the same.

Your hardened unwavering belief of what's right isn't shared by everyone, they have their own unwavering beliefs. It's a human rights issue to not allow someone to express themselves verbally, freely.

I'm asking for equality wherein the accuser must follow rules as should the accused. Accusers should mute the person they plan on reporting, I think it should be a rule. If the persons toxicity is simply arguing a moot point then muting him would curve his toxicity and be better overall for yourself and the team. If the person is found to be homophobic, racist, sexist, then a punishment should be given. It's not equal to receive punishment after being reported by someone who just spent the whole game arguing with you.

I wouldn't punch someone in the face, call the cops and said he did it because it would be unlawful.

By the way I was talking hypothetical so I hope I am mistaken that all your rude comments weren't directed at me and you were speaking in general terms.

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

How hard is it to ask the non toxic players to say "I'm muting you now and will report, please stop your toxicity". The person is warned and can continue or choose to smarten up. The person gets reported, the chat logs show when you told the person about being reported and toxicity is looked for before punishment.

How hard is it to get an email with details on current reports received? Maybe hard I don't know?

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

HAHA Didn't see the shtty apartment stuff sorry to hear my man that you feel down about it! Yeah everyone makes mistakes for sure, big mistakes that costs lives, it's nice to make a mistake within your escape from your mistakes only to be permanently banned, hypothetically of course because this account is not banned.

RitoslostfkboyJan 26, 20191 votes

wouldn't be a problem if the league community wasn't a pile of dog feces but they have never worked on in game community .

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

They probably want you to play Dota 2

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

But I prefer League and toxic play doesn't phase me too much. It's only a game. I do report people who physically ruin the game but I mean chat ruining a game? Mute anyone? Hello? Your performance suffered over chat? PLAY BETTER! IF YOU GET A BAD TEAM PRACTICE CARRY, TRY TO STILL DO WELL, YOUR SKILLS WILL GO UP AND WHEN YOU HAVE A GOOD TEAM YOU'LL FEEL LIKE WEIGHT IS LIFTED OFF YOU AND YOU REALIZE YOU FIT RIGHT IN....welcome to Iron 2.

The Highest NoonJan 26, 20191 votes

The process of this debate:

"You shouldn't ban gameplay for non-gameplay offenses" "People will just be toxic in other ways" "Then ban them for that toxicity people already do it anyways" "It's difficult and unfair"

MustardTigerMKJan 26, 20191 votes

Did you skim everything over then air quote your opinion? I'm confused. Discussion leads to ideas. I don't think the system works for everybody that enjoys to play league.

You're missing the point that chat can be muted can we agree? good it's a fact. IF chat can be muted and you're reporting someone for toxic chat then shouldn't you mute that person? There is a big grey area where people get shit on by their whole team and sometimes the other team then gets reported.