It Only Takes One Game

Nockos·Nov 27, 2017·4 votes·1,020 views

Coming off of a two week ban, I was changing my attitude. I was getting honors and getting my rewards back. I even made a couple of new friends and was voted most honorable in my next 3-6 games afterwards.

Now here's some stupid shit: Apparently I'm too retarded to learn to not respond to people harassing me over mistakes. They can and will report for responding to their actions. I know my language was a shitty and I should have just muted, but I have a really good question for Riot.

How is it fair that premade group is allowed to harass a solo que player, spam "?" ping them all game, tell them that they are shitty and need to stop inting, and if that solo que player responds, they get reported and punished harder than those starting the conflict? What happened to the tribunal?

No I dont need you to post the chat logs, I'm well aware of what I said. But it's some major league bullshit that people are allowed to intentionally start problems, and report you if you respond in any harsh way.

I can try to fight my permaban, but that's useless. I could make an alt, but that would be equally useless. I just want to point out that if people are allowed to harass somebody into a salty rage, which can be done without words ( you cant mute actions) then they should get the same amount of punishment as the people they harass and report.

Also (you're only making this post because you're permabanned and mad.) No, Im making this for the fact that this automated system is worse than the tribunal and players who start problems get away with too much in this game. Muting could solve it but muting will not stop them from trying to find ways to tilt you. Dont do what I did and get tilted. That's a waste of time and it is what they are looking for.

37 Comments

EvilDustManNov 27, 20172 votes

You can mute them and their pings and report them afterwards.

NockosNov 27, 20171 votes

Cant mute their actions or the mass report I get from responding to them.

EvilDustManNov 27, 20176 votes

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Cant mute their actions or the mass report I get from responding to them.

Mass report isn't actually a thing. 9 reports is the same as 1.

captaincomando1Nov 27, 20171 votes

who told you that?

EvilDustManNov 27, 20171 votes

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who told you that?

Riot. Repeatedly.

captaincomando1Nov 27, 20171 votes

I'll reveal u a secret "do not trust everything riot says"

RallerenPNov 27, 20175 votes

But why should we trust you more than Riot?

EvilDustManNov 27, 20173 votes

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I'll reveal u a secret "do not trust everything riot says"

It's trust Riot or trust the toxic people who think they got banned because the system is broken.

captaincomando1Nov 27, 20171 votes

Do not worry.Someday you will grow up and you will understand how world function. U will learn that for big company making money is key goal.It is not customer pleasure it is money. Often those 2 get side by side,but sometimes customer pleasure do not give you money.When that happen ... take your time

ModiNov 27, 20171 votes

I think its funny how people keep saying that Riot lies, with no proof: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

captaincomando1Nov 27, 20171 votes

My personal experience is enough evidence for me.you believe whatever you want

Dying InstinctNov 28, 20172 votes

Many people on the internet have opinions based solely on what they've heard others say. You have no source for your claims, while the other guy has Riot themselves. It makes sense that Riot would create a system that doesn't give for example a 4-man premade more power than a solo player. Every report creates an alert, and other game information is compared with this. The system has many triggers apart from the reports, such as certain keywords in chat etc. etc.

captaincomando1Nov 28, 20171 votes

I have different experience ...I get punished only when there were more then 1 reports on me. Second I get feedback only after 4 or more of us report some person...It is just my personal experience,and I play league for 5 years .

My point is whole report and ban system is bad,because riot do not care about it as much as they should from player perspective.And reason for that is simply-- money.

If for example one day they find out that they lose a large number of fun base because people are not happy how ban system function U would see how much improvement could be made on that field. They would probably hire more workers instead use of algorithms !!! Since money is not involved a level of service on that field is just low.

Dying InstinctNov 28, 20171 votes

You can't hire people to monitor every case when your game has tens of millions of players. If they went with your system, we'd have like 0.001% of toxic players actually receiving punishment at a cost of thousands of dollars more than it costs now. Algorithms are the way. Yes, they can be improved, but the current system works despite its flaws, which gives Riot very little incentive to flush tons of money into it.

captaincomando1Nov 28, 20171 votes

Yes I agree.It is not easy to solve problem.But Algorithms are joke... And that logic ''better something then nothing '' it just is not enough.But if wee as players accept it and newer complain,riot will newer have motive to change it...

I do not say it is easy but it is possible to change it ,what lacks is motivation!!!

MindspeakerNov 28, 20171 votes

Riot...of course the only response that peole have to dispute this is "riot is lying"

Who do you think is more creditable.

People whining about desrved punishments ?

to the actual game devs ?

Riot Tantram (NA) - 2 years ago

A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out.

You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing . unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing.

captaincomando1Nov 28, 20171 votes

Oh thank you for this post.Its all clear now.Riot is perfect

MindspeakerNov 28, 20171 votes

wow....you cant even get trolling right....

fail troll fails........ again

ModiNov 28, 20171 votes

Nobody is claiming that they are perfect, but you make accusations without a shred of evidence.

ModThe DjinnNov 27, 20172 votes

I'm making this for the fact that this automated system is worse than the tribunal and players who start problems get away with too much in this game.

The Tribunal actually showed, reliably, that players didn't care who started it -- they voted to punish almost identically regardless if the problematic behavior was provoked or not. That's why the system now works the way it does.

How is it fair that premade group is allowed to harass a solo que player, spam "?" ping them all game, tell them that they are shitty and need to stop inting, and if that solo que player responds, they get reported and punished harder than those starting the conflict?

That sort of provocation is reportable and punishable. The severity of the punishment, however, depends on the language used, the behavior shown, and the individual's personal behavioral history.

NockosNov 27, 20171 votes

It seems like reporting their actions is like hitting them with a wet noodle. It does absolutely nothing and they can go game after game of the same actions.

Can the system detect the spam missing ping for mistakes or no?

WeatheredNov 27, 20172 votes

How do you know that you were "punished harder than those starting the conflict"? If you and those accounts had no past issues on the account, I'm sure that there would be equal punishment if there was equal punishable activity. The difference is that your account was on a sort of probation, which means that it's teetering the edge and will be punished more abruptly.

NockosNov 27, 20171 votes

The sad part is that it only took one game. In my past games, I've reported people for harassing allies and enemies, and never got the little notification that said "a player you reported has been punished."

It just sucks ass that one game outdoes 10 games of being honored and not being reported.

This wasn't even my saltiest game, I even stopped typing just to ignore people when I realized I was salt mining. It just seems like a waste of time to be a good sport, get harassed, be a dumbass and respond to harassment, and get banned for responding too harshly.

I'm never one to openly start conflict with people, but I have a shitty habit of responding to it.

Duchess KatarinaNov 27, 20171 votes

You only get that little notification if you were the last person to report them.

ToadPirateNov 27, 20171 votes

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You only get that little notification if you were the last person to report them.

That's not true.

Also you have to keep in mind that riot has a "report level" attached to your account.

If you report everyone every game, it makes your reports worth less. And if you are constantly banned, your reports are worth less.

Your reports are worth more if they actually lead to punishments too. That is why you should be selective in your reporting.

ZezockaryNov 27, 20172 votes

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Also you have to keep in mind that riot has a "report level" attached to your account.

If you report everyone every game, it makes your reports worth less. And if you are constantly banned, your reports are worth less.

Your reports are worth more if they actually lead to punishments too. That is why you should be selective in your reporting.

That is no longer true. It was like that in the past but they changed it.

pizzapantsNov 28, 20171 votes

So this is how your punishment is ruled: lvl 1: 10 game chat ban lvl 2: 25 game chat ban lvl 3: 2-week ban lvl 4: permaban

You could get off the hook if you behave in an honorable manner. So let's say you got a 2-week ban after getting a 10 game chat ban and a 25 game chat ban. After 3 months if you have honorably, you will go down a level. This means, if you are toxic after 3 months, you will receive a 2-week ban again since you were honorable for 3 months your level dropped down so you won't be permabanned. Let's say you were toxic after 3 weeks, you will receive a permaban because you weren't honorable for a long period of time for your tribunal level to drop. Not very good at explaining things.

Another thing, 1 report = 9 reports and asking for reports in all chat could be reported and could get you banned. I learned this the hard way. Nonetheless, I've seen many players do this so unless you have been banned for 2 weeks or so, you won't be punished for doing this. Apparently, it's considered harassment to constantly tell the enemy to report your toxic teammate.
Also, I personally think it is true that there's a lesser chance of you getting a punishment playing with a premade team because you won't get reported even when being toxic in team chat if there's a 4 man team.

ChermorgNov 27, 20172 votes

I just want to point out that if people are allowed to harass somebody into a salty rage, which can be done without words ( you cant mute actions) then they should get the same amount of punishment as the people they harass and report.

If you are getting worked up, fine. If you take that rage out on your teammates, that's not fine. You are perfectly permitted to get angry. You are not permitted to rage at your teammates. You may not be able to control your emotion, but you can control your enter key.

NockosNov 27, 20171 votes

Which is exactly why I stopped typing when I realized what was going on. But apparently I said too much in a short time span and it was just enough.

Hell, the first 5-10 minutes was both teams just joking about characters, but as soon as I made a mistake, I got harassed and decided to be a tard and defend myself. In hindsight I should have just kept playing, but it doesn't help when 3 people are being rude as hell about the mistake. "Oh you died? Better flame you and spam ping "?" I dont know why I keep responding to stuff like that.

ToadPirateNov 27, 20171 votes

Found your problem. "Coming off of a two week ban, I was changing my attitude..."

Once you have been found "guilty" by riots system you are always a criminal.

Doesn't matter the content, if you get a report having been found guilty in the past, its the same as like 3 strikes laws.

Go to jail, don't pass go.

Riot isnt interested in your reforming your behavior. Time to make that your troll account and then make a NEW account where you are crime free. Faster, easier, and more fun.

NockosNov 27, 20172 votes

I thought that they want you to reform your behavior?

It just seems odd and unfair that my previous 5-10 games of being most honorable, and not being salty, are all irrelevant because of one game where I decided to be salty.

Duchess KatarinaNov 27, 20172 votes

Reform takes more than 5-10 games, it takes about 6-8 months of regular play for you to get lower on the punishment scale (I forgot what the exact term is atm).

A 14-day ban was your last warning to change your behaviour.

ToadPirateNov 27, 20172 votes

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Reform takes more than 5-10 games, it takes about 6-8 months of regular play for you to get lower on the punishment scale (I forgot what the exact term is atm).

A 14-day ban was your last warning to change your behaviour.

No they act they they are interested in you reforming but thats all an act. As said above it takes 6-8months to get LOWER on the punishment scale. Not clean record, not reformed, LOWER.

Or you could grind for a week and have a new account that is "in good standing".

Once a criminal ALWAYS a criminal.

Also if you are going to be salty, just feed your ass off and don't say a word. Intent feeding is very hard to prove and usually takes a staff review. If you insult someone, and you are reported, the system automatically just scans the chat for "bad words" and boom, you are guilty. Penalty time.

For example. I got an account permabanned for using racial slurs in about.... 10 games.

I got a different account permabanned for intent feeding "Jhin support" and going 0-19 over and over. Took 73 games. (That account was a lot of fun, I used to announce in lobby and MAN I caused SOO many dodges. The key is select support so you are instantly filled, so you can maximize the lobbies you ruin. I caused 21 dodges in 10 mins once. Great times).

XidphelNov 28, 20171 votes

Lose the tinfoil hat.

xxxRUSxxxNov 28, 20171 votes

What Riot doesn't tell you (unless you pull it out of CS) is that once you have received ANY punishments the threshold for further punishment is DECREASED, and this occurs with every punishment escalation. Your example of coming off a 14-day ban and getting permanently banned from a single game is extremely common.

ROBLOX PIayerDec 4, 20171 votes

"Who can you relate woo"

ValyrianBladeDec 4, 20171 votes

I agree that they should be punished as well. But as hard? That's questionable... you've worked your way up the punishment ladder, they may not have. Also, it's not exactly certain (from my point of view, having not been in the game) that you didn't do/say anything to bring it on yourself. Maybe you did, maybe you didn't - although I guess that isn't really the point.

You get banned because you've shown a history of that behavior, and then you did it again. Do you report the people that incite you? If you and others do consistently, they would get banned too. I bet people who don't respond ALSO don't report these people, and that may be the problem to focus on. If the league community as a whole doesn't like people who incite ragers (which they shouldn't), then we should start reporting those players when they show up even if no one responds to it. Riot should encourage us to do that. That's a fight I'll stand beside.

Responding to it is bad too though. Especially because it's likely you'll carry that attitude in to your next game. It's likely you'll lose that game and subsequent games because of that attitude, and possibly frustrate/tilt other players so they throw games too. It's not good for anyone involved. Yes, the guy who poked you for a while started it all, but he probably doesn't consistently lose games because most people don't respond.