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Petition to unban accounts, and just use long term chat bans.

catssayimacat·1/15/2019, 3:08:35 PM·3 votes·4,995 views

I would like to see how many people in the community believe there is a good reason to unban high elo accounts who now have remade their accounts, and are just ruining games for low elo players. My main was diamond at the time it was banned, and after about 3 years, I am going to start back up on my new account (now understanding that chatting or debating is pointless, because you can get chat restricted and banned just for trying to get your team to play together when they are on tilt mode.) Now that I am caught up with most of the current meta, games are extremely boring for both me and everyone else involved as it is just completely one sided. I dont want to be in low elo, I want to play at my level, im an unintentional smurf, created by riots silly reporting system. I dont understand riots take on the whole hard ban on players who are toxic. They have chat ban, they have mute buttons. I use them, I dont care what people say, its just a game. Riot on the other hand, has a hard time telling fantasy from reality as people are being plagued with silly chat bans and permanent account bans. While I understand their are kids that play league, and want to play competitively, their is no amount of chat restrictions or account bans that will keep them from being exposed to toxic players (even though I fully support chat bans as the next best solution.) I dont expect any reaction from riot on the matter, I just want to see how many people think that as of today, riot has accomplished there long sought after goal of reducing the competitive solo/duo community to a shell of what it once was (and im not even going to go into this whole new rune/mastery system they have). Having thrown their weight around, its clear that riot can and will ban anyone for whatever reason, and thats something that I strongly disagree with, but will have to accept if I want to continue to play the game. But now, its only hurting the community: strong players are now in lower elos, and the ban system is moving toxicity from chat into the actual game. I have had games where players will taunt you by feeding and afking long enough for you to respond in chat, and then reporting you so your account will get banned/restricted. Its hilarious, because this wouldnt be an option, if accounts didnt get banned/restricted so frequently. Now players who are struggling or having a bad day, have easy access to a reliable tool to drag everyone else down. If you agree, or disagree, please speak up. Maybe its true and my account is of the .00001% or whatever number they are saying is actually getting banned, or maybe its not, and there are a far greater number of people experiencing the same problem.

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ModThe Djinn1/15/2019, 3:16:26 PM12 votes

Riot actually tried this experiment, as it does seem like an easy solution at first glance.

Interestingly, they found that net toxicity didn't really decrease, as chat-banned players often found other, more gameplay-ruining ways of trolling games. These other ways are harder to detect though, so it ultimately led to more ruined games. That's why we have the current system we have.

Umbral Regent1/15/2019, 4:01:29 PM9 votes

I would like to see how many people in the community believe there is a good reason to unban high elo accounts who now have remade their accounts, and are just ruining games for low elo players.

This is a pretty big red flag. You're opening with a statement that implies that you want permanent ban reversions to be exclusive to high elo/high-skill players. It may not be precisely what you want to say, but it is a message that comes across clearly.

Additionally, I'd like to see some actual data on permabanned players returning to the game and "ruining games for low-elo players".

I dont understand riots take on the whole hard ban on players who are toxic. They have chat ban, they have mute buttons. I use them, I dont care what people say, its just a game. Riot on the other hand, has a hard time telling fantasy from reality as people are being plagued with silly chat bans and permanent account bans.

Riot doesn't have a hard time telling fantasy from reality. They ban players who are toxic because toxicity is bad for the game. Toxicity generally leads to more losses, and that's both in-game losses and the loss of potential customers, and with toxicity serving no real good purpose, they have every reason in the world to do away with toxic players.

And, again; I'd like to see some of these "silly chat (restrictions) and account bans". Surely, you've evidence.

While I understand their are kids that play league, and want to play competitively, their is no amount of chat restrictions or account bans that will keep them from being exposed to toxic players...

No amount of jailtime or other punishments will stop criminals in the real world. So should we just drop catching and punishing them?

That argument doesn't work. Sure, it's pretty much impossible to get rid of all toxicity, but that doesn't mean we should just let it run wild. The punishments are as much a method of removing toxic players as they are a method of deterring other would-be-toxics.

I dont expect any reaction from riot on the matter, I just want to see how many people think that as of today, riot has accomplished there long sought after goal of reducing the competitive solo/duo community to a shell of what it once was...

First off, that's a non-sequitur, second, that's also a strawman argument, and third, care to explain how the punishment system (which has been around for 4-5~ years now, BTW) has any correlation to "reducing the solo/duo community"?

Beyond that, can you even prove that the solo/duo community is dwindling?

Having thrown their weight around, its clear that riot can and will ban anyone for whatever reason, and thats something that I strongly disagree with, but will have to accept if I want to continue to play the game.

They can ban someone for whatever reason they choose.

How_ever_, they only ban someone if that someone breaks the rules badly enough to warrant a ban.

I have had games where players will taunt you by feeding and afking long enough for you to respond in chat, and then reporting you so your account will get banned/restricted. Its hilarious, because this wouldnt be an option, if accounts didnt get banned/restricted so frequently.

It's also hilarious, because it wouldn't be an option if people didn't feed the trolls.

This isn't new stuff, trolls troll to get a reaction. Why give them one?

If you agree, or disagree, please speak up. Maybe its true and my account is of the .00001% or whatever number they are saying is actually getting banned, or maybe its not, and there are a far greater number of people experiencing the same problem.

0.06%, IIRC. And, yeah, it's true - both that your account may well be validly banned, and that, focusing on the percentage, it's still wholly probable that the amount of permanently banned players still numbers around 0.06%, given the playerbase more-or-less fucktupling in size over the past few years.

The number of players who are permabanned may be larger than you imagine, but the percentage is very likely the same.

FOR JUSTICE1/15/2019, 3:10:11 PM6 votes

they did this already. when people couldn't type in chat they just trolled. also they wont ban you for "any reason" as you claim, literally all they ask is to not be a douche. they even did an experiment a few months ago where they unbanned perma banned accounts to see if they reformed. tldr, they didnt.

R107 Games1/15/2019, 3:14:31 PM2 votes

Agreed.

There are players that got permabanned who just make a new account and "ruin" new player's games. It clearly is negating what riot is trying to prevent.

I also wouldn't trust what riot says about the amount of players that have been permabanned, unless they release the official data from their HQ. Riot can lie anytime and they have reasons to in this case.