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Until there is an incentive to rehabilitate your account, no one will stop trolling.

CurrentBanTallyV·1/1/2019, 9:14:19 AM·2 votes·2,990 views

I have a major problem with the honor system and that problem is that there is no incentive to fix your account and therefore behavior.

I have been perma banned 6 times now. I keep a rotating stock of accounts. I try to be good but sometimes I tilt and get aggressive. Which leads to the problem.

Once you tilt, and are punished that's it. The account is now locked at 0 honor, its a "criminal"~~ so any report counts more toward it~~(shown below to not be true, thanks), future punishments are harsher, it takes months to unlock; and thats just to get back to honor 0. There have been people who have been punished, put on their best behavior and then slipped up for ONE game and boom, weeks of ban.

With all of the above, there is no incentive to fix your account. Why go through all that trouble of months, with punishments, unable to earn rewards. When you can just make a new account level to 30 easily?

There is no incentive to fix your behavior so many people don't (myself included). The SECOND my account is punished, that just becomes my new troll account. I make a new "main account" and when I need to let off steam and intent feed/scream/etc I just use the old one.

And the thing is, riot is VERY bad at catching troll accounts. So I can troll hundreds of games on an account i no longer care about because whatever.

And now its even better because I dont have to buy skins or anything. I just re-earn them, and the the RNG; maybe Ill get ones I want this time.

Edit

Another good point was mentioned below. The system also ruins the new player experience because it encourages people to roll fresh accounts. Some of the worst games I have ever seen are with new players, being crushed by people just there to make new accounts who are some of the most toxic people ever as they are only there after being banned.

Edit 2

I think that after discussing the issue is partially that there isn't as much clarity to the system as there needs to be. There isn't enough warning when you stray from the path, and there isnt enough feedback when you are trying to reform.

31 Comments

Umbral Regent1/1/2019, 10:18:22 AM9 votes

The account is now locked at 0 honor, its a "criminal" so any report counts more toward it, future punishments are harsher, it takes months to unlock; and thats just to get back to honor 0.

The bolded statement is wholly incorrect. The IFS doesn't just decide "okay, this player is Dishonorable, so it won't matter if the reports filed against them are valid or not, report will now equal a punishment 100% of the time" - it doesn't work that way. If you're Dishonorable, all that means is that you're locked out of the benefits of the Honor System until you regain standing.

The italicised statements are conditionally correct. As far as I know, if you get punished once (a chat restriction), you get dropped to Honor Level 1 and Honor Locked. Only if you get punished after that, or if you receive an escalated penalty (due to zero-tolerance chat or gameplay misbehavior) do you get pushed down to Honor Level 0.

As for the other two statements, though; yes, future punishments get harsher, because you're not supposed to keep breaking the rules. If you don't let up with the misbehavior, then neither will Riot, and they want to try and hammer home the message that you need to stop misbehaving as clearly as possible. Hence, the punishment ladder doling out increasingly harsh punishments up to the permanent ban.

As for taking months to unlock/regain Honor - that's chalked up to two things; 1. You need to prove that you can play by the rules, and that takes time and effort, and 2. if it's taking unreasonably long to regain Honor, then the issue might be that you're still misbehaving and getting validly reported for it. Either way, it's the system working as intended.

With all of the above, there is no incentive to fix your account. Why go through all that trouble of months, with punishments, unable to earn rewards. When you can just make a new account level to 30 easily?

Holding that perspective gives me reason to assume that you might be one of the "strictly free-to-play" variety of players. I'm willing to bet that most people who play the game tend to invest more than just time into the game - and having so much invested into an account is a pretty compelling reason for players to want to fix their accounts.

But, my question is, why put yourself through that trouble in the first place? It's not exactly difficult to adhere to the rules, so letting yourself slip and letting your tilt run amok is wholly detrimental, since, and I'll use both varieties - paying players and free-to-players - for example:

If you pay for content, then breaking the rules puts your account - and the time and money you invested in it - at risk. You have to take time to prove that you can do better, and regain good standing with Riot, and altogether cause yourself more suffering than you did any relief in letting your tilt/anger out.

And if you're strictly free-to-play, then breaking the rules puts you in a position where you've either got to commit time into regaining Honor, or grinding a new account into a position to supersede the last one. Either way, you're still gonna be pouring more time into fixing a problem that was wholly avoidable if you'd just played by the rules.

There is no incentive to fix your behavior so many people don't (myself included). The SECOND my account is punished, that just becomes my new troll account. I make a new "main account" and when I need to let off steam and intent feed/scream/etc I just use the old one.

And what good does that do? Because you can't control your anger, you decide "fuck it, I'll just become part of the biggest problems League faces, because why not?"

And I want a legitimate answer, and not the obvious "because trolling/making people raeg/breaking the rules feels good". What good does it do you to just throw up your hands and say, "welp, I CBA to show a little restraint, so I guess I'll just turn this account into a trolling account"?

I know it's easy to take the low road, but I really want to know why. Why do people choose the low road, choose to flip Riot and every other player the bird, and troll.

MagicKingz1/1/2019, 10:39:16 AM3 votes

So I can troll hundreds of games on an account i no longer care about because whatever.

"...because whatever". Simply appalling, to say the least. Your eagerness to ruin the fun for others because you have absolutely no self control over a VIDEO GAME is why we, as a society, cannot have nice things. We have a completely FREE game to play, with the ability to unlock ANY and ALL champions in the game (in a great amount of time, but still possible); however, you are going to make it your life's mission to make your team lose and proceed to express unacceptable and immature behavior to anyone and everyone that isn't on your anti-Riot Games parade.

I don't believe this is a problem with Riot's punishment system per se, but rather a much bigger problem with your own outlook on life. I challenge you to attempt to express such behavior in the realm called Real Life, where punishments include getting divorced, fired, sued, imprisoned, or even killed. I sincerely hope you never have to experience such extremes, but parallel to your verbiage above, I hope that you find a much more meaningful vision to life, rather than taking everything you've been blessed with for granted, because whatever.

EvilDustMan1/1/2019, 3:02:38 PM2 votes

Not be a dick. Not waste your time on new accounts. Not waste your money on buying accounts. Not be a dick.

Midg3t1/1/2019, 8:06:38 PM1 votes

As much as I don't like that you're trolling, you're right to some extent. I got banned for 2 weeks and okay, I deserved it, I climbed up to honor lvl 4 and still going. But what do I have from that? What honor lvl actually means in this game?

I still get trolls/griefers from time to time who will go out of their way to ruin the game for me, losing it in the process (and LP aswell if it's ranked). No1 will honor me for being nice, but for doing well in a game. So gameplay-wise, honor doesn't mean anything.

So what am I getting from that? Key fragments? So I can open up chests and either get a champ shard or a skin shard which I don't even want. Honor badge? No1 will see that outside of loading screen, and again, it means nothing gameplay-wise. If there were actual gameplay benefits from honor, it would encourage people not to be toxic.

tl;dr Imo honor lvl is useless

Satakieli1/1/2019, 9:10:26 PM1 votes

Why wouldn't we simply make fresh level 30 accounts? Because not everyone's a richass who can purchase all content again. I happen to have some stuff on my current account with huge emotional value (well long story). It's kinda became a part of my gamer personality.

Also (and more important) I'm not a freaking coward who messed up, got some chat restricts and ran away cause Rito's punishment was too harsh for my little cute heart. Nope, I don't need a fresh account to hide my mistakes.

The Highest Noon1/3/2019, 4:41:24 AM1 votes

Hey, I actually managed to get to Honor Level 0 Checkpoint 2 before getting my second account permabanned. And this time, I got punished for an entirely new reason.

That's one of my problems with the punishment system--you probably won't know that what you did was wrong until you're banned for it.

But, yeah. There's no real "incentive" to reform. You've already been punished. You don't have access to Honor rewards anymore. What reason is there aside form not being punished? Honor rewards only matter before you're punished.

There needs to be something to give to reforming players.