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Perma bans from league of legends.

DiegoLavega·5/23/2018, 7:42:43 PM·4 votes·3,533 views

So i was today banned permanently from league of legends, for one sole reason. I argue with people. I incentivate them to do better, (Eg: come on dude follow up next time dont be scared) And they talk back saying fuck you Snowballing in to very worse conversations.

I really am tired of talking about this and i feel like its a very bashed on topic, But this system is killing league of legends, and it will kill it soon. We're talking a system that is more effective at punishing people that use the chat to speak their thoughts and less to stop people from; Trolling Boosting Accounts Going Afk Griefing.

Because in the last 10 games i have been a victim and a participant in these issues (As in having a booster on my team, a afk on the enemies or the other way around)

And throughout that i get no isntant feedback reports as opposed to me where i forget to activate the extreme anti chat scripts ive even searched for to try and control my chat restrictions, And i get permanently banned, for 2 games, where 1 of them i had a afk. And i did indeed go overboard, but how cant you? Thats just how humans work. Some will argue i had past games where i did show toxicity, but its a broken topic, since i had scripts on to be unable to chat and never spoke a word, to where today i didnt activate them and i did talk.

I hope we can have a good discussion here and not one where people say that i was toxic and i should be banned, Because although i did present once in the chat what would appear to be toxicity, id like people to understand that i am not ever deliberately toxic and/or do i go out of my way to be toxic towards people, i allways argue, as in i respond to people and i stand up to what i think is right, which is something noone likes nowadays and usually you get ganged up on because of doing so, hell

the last game that banned me,

was a game where i went 8/3 in lane, went to help my teammates in teamfights, they didnt have faith in me, i ended up going 8/9 because i didnt have any follow up, and they ended up flamming me for having 9 deaths which is just great, even though i had 2x+ my adc's worth damage.... but thats out of the point

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FOR JUSTICE5/23/2018, 7:45:32 PM12 votes

But the thing is, if you didnt actually flame them, you wouldnt be punished. The problem is by doing it back, you added to the toxcicity.

Remember that just because you dont see it as toxic, doesnt mean the majority community doesnt either.

ModKnightsKemplar5/23/2018, 11:19:32 PM5 votes

Here's an opinion (that I suspect isn't actually very unpopular): chat toxicity is at least as big a problem for this game as trolling, griefing, afks, and boosting.

Don't get me wrong. Those other forms of toxicity that you brought up are bad. I hate them. But Riot also handles those, depsite what you may think; they don't single out chat as the only place to punish people. If you spend much time on the Player Behavior Boards, you will see cases where the chat doesn't look that bad and no one can understand why someone was banned until Tantrum shows up and calls them out for feeding and trolling.

Chat toxicity is still a problem. And if you're arguing with people, you're part of that problem. There are standards in the community that you may not agree with, but you signed on to them when you created an account. Some people don't agree with paying taxes, either, but the government comes after you if you don't pay them, even if taxes are against your principles.

This issue often (not by you, you have a very respectful tone) gets maligned as "kiddos ruining LoL." If anything, I think it's the opposite. The community agrees with these terms. You can see that in the downvotes you are getting, despite the fact that you did a great job respectfully outlining your problem here. The last step is to understand that you've lost the battle; you make great points, and there may be games that are more your speed in this department, but LoL isn't one of them. This is the way the rules are set up, and that's the cost of playing.

And if that seems immature to you, I would do some self-reflection (again, more to the masses than to you specifically); why do you think it's immature for people to have a kind, sportsmanlike atmosphere in the video game they play to relax?

Like you, I love a good argument. But what I've learned over the years is that not everyone loves a good argument. And very few people, me included, love a good argument that distracts them from enjoying the game they are trying to play. It's just not the right venue to do what you are trying to do. You don't have to be trying to be toxic to be toxic. You can become toxic unintentionally when you don't put effort into treating the other players in your game with respect.

Umbral Regent5/23/2018, 9:15:23 PM3 votes

So i was today banned permanently from league of legends, for one sole reason. I argue with people.

Unsurprising. Arguing with people does nothing to help you win the game, in fact, most of the time it's wholly detrimental.

I incentivate(sic) them to do better, (Eg: come on dude follow up next time dont be scared) And they talk back saying fuck you Snowballing in to very worse conversations.

If you're going to try to incentivize people to do something, don't make remarks like "don't be scared". It's basic human nature to turn down advice that in some way or another damages our ego, so, tossing in remarks about being scared or what have you only serves to harm your ability to rally allies into a comeback.
If they start talking back and being belligerent, mute them. There is no more reason to try and communicate with someone who makes it abundantly clear that they're going to be an asshole.
You should already know that infighting ruins your chances of winning the game.

But this system is killing league of legends, and it will kill it soon.

Soon™.

(for real, though, what's with people using the argument "League of Legends is dying" or "x is killing League of Legends" - there's a wealth of evidence against those arguments and not a single sign for them.)

We're talking a system that is more effective at punishing people that use the chat to speak their thoughts and less to stop people from;

When you say "speak their thoughts", I feel you're being needlessly broad about it. The IFS punishes people who break the rules using the chat, whether it's flaming people, being an overall morale killer, or other such detrimental chat behavior.

Trolling Boosting Accounts Going Afk Griefing.

Trolling is difficult in general to detect, made even more difficult by the fact that we, the playerbase, as a million fallible-as-hell human beings, are probably the worst fucking judges of trolling you can have. That goes much the same as Griefing, so, let me argue this: Can you make a 100% foolproof system that can detect intent behind a player's actions and prove that those players intended to be a detriment to their team through their gameplay? If so...Contact Riot immediately. They will want to see it.

As for boosting accounts, Riot delivers severely harsh penalties for any account found to be boosted. It's a 14-day ban from the gate, along with straight-up ineligibility to claim End of Season rewards, and the removal of any prior Season's rewards. (a fitting punishment for someone who wanted the rewards without the work.) I don't know the general process for dealing with account boosters, but, I do know that they are punished.

And, lastly, for going AFK, I've seen two different types of punishments delivered: Leaverbuster penalties, where players who consistently leave matches get increasingly harsh queue penalties (up to a 20 minute wait before queuing). However, if the person is AFK'ing while trying to evade punishment by walking around fountain/base, typing in chat, etc., without actually contributing, they're treated as assisting the enemy team, and the first punishment for that is a 14-day ban.

And i did indeed go overboard, but how cant you? Thats just how humans work.

Human nature isn't to go overboard. A majority of people tend to have enough restraint that they don't lash out, explode, erupt, etc. consistently. Even notably angry and vitriolic people like myself have enough restraint to avoid blowing up on someone. You can't argue that it's human nature to go overboard and start railing against people.

...i allways argue, as in i respond to people and i stand up to what i think is right...

There's a time and place for everything. The middle of a match of League of Legends is neither the time nor place for moralizing or standing up for ideals.

You're dealing with up to nine random people who you'll likely never meet again. You don't need to defend your values or ideals or prove anything to them. What you think is right doesn't matter - what does matter is your team's common goal. Destroying the enemy Nexus.

KlydeFrog5/23/2018, 8:00:20 PM2 votes

Im with you bro people are sensitive on this game lol to much.

Coopa1235/23/2018, 8:27:41 PM2 votes

I really want to see the chat logs. Pretty sure your definition of toxicity is different than Riot's.

And I am convinced that you weren't banned for "just arguing". Can you provide chat logs?

YerroFever5/23/2018, 11:48:22 PM2 votes

If you're excluding game 1 and saying you deserved punishment for game 1.... I don't get why you're upset you're being punished.

I understand that you're upset that you think other players aren't getting punished like you are, but they are, you just don't have any right to know if it does or doesn't happen.

You can check their match histories to see if their case has come up in manual review... if you want but that's just a waste of energy IMO. The support team has a backlog of reviewing cases and people will be punished when their turn comes up.

You should just focus on you and if you want to make a new account, focus on not being toxic and properly reporting toxic players when you encounter them.

Verbally Abusing5/24/2018, 4:09:43 AM1 votes

If you say words that would cause a permanent banned that's the reason they ban you k. For me to get around not responding back it's use discord to talk to friends of how trash they are and not in game where they can hear you.

Kareshi5/24/2018, 9:56:20 PM1 votes

good

ModPeriscope10/20/2018, 5:25:53 AM1 votes

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