Flawed Terms and Policies Agreement

Zirichel·Mar 23, 2017·4 votes·2,101 views

I would like to understand why it is that Riotgames has an option in their game League of Legends, to turn on or off a language filter in the settings, if you can still be banned for the use of explicit language.

This doesn't make sense to me. Now I understand that you don't want to be associated with inappropriate language or rude behavior and there is nothing wrong with this. What I don't understand is why there is even an option for players to choose whether or not they have a language filter.

I mean it seems pretty simple. Language filter on means you don't want to see inappropriate language. Language filter off means you don't care about inappropriate language.

I have read and understand the terms or use, but apparently you reserve the right to be above the constitution and the first amendment...

I guess you can imagine that I am writing this because my account was perma-banned for the use of foul language, but we live in America, the headquarters for Riotgames are in America if I'm not mistaken which means that they should uphold the Constitution.

All other games with online gameplay, especially on consoles and even on PC, have these ESRB type ratings which is how games are rated and whenever there is online play, there is a message that says: "online interactions are not rated by the esrb".

I would imagine League does not have this because they moderate it themselves. However my biggest point here is that RiotGames or League, has set a player trap. And that is the mute/language filter option and the fact that Riot reserves the right the terminate your account at any point due to whatever reason they deem appropriate. (and steal your purchases in their client. I'm sorry but last time I checked, when I bought something, that would mean that it's now mine. I understand that it's not actually my intellectual property, but purchasing it gives me the right to use it, even if it's just in game. In riot's terms they have reserved the right to steal your cash purchases of their in game cosmetic content. I understand that businesses need to make money, but this is stealing no matter how you justify it. And I'm wanting a refund or a transfer of purchases, the refund would literally go right back into the pocket of Riotgames! I want to give Riot my money and use their cool content, but now I've been banned and can't even get a refund or a second chance?)

On the language filter and mute option I'm sorry but how can you ban people for use of language when there is a language filter and an option to mute players. Don't tell me it's only for spam and annoying people. Because having language filter isn't for annoying people, and the power to mute people isn't just for spammed chat.

Why even have these features if you are just going to ban people with no second chance for the use of vulgar language which they have the right (if they live in America) to use. The First Amendment gives Americans the freedom of speech. If you are having bans or punishment for language use you should either restrict their chatting at the most for use of such offensive language or simply tell people that there is a language filter and that they have the option to turn on a language filter. And the power, to mute people.... (having a punishment for speaking or saying things seems like a violated right, even if it's in your terms, I'm fairly certain the vast majority of games has the esrb interactions message that says online interactions aren't rated by the esrb, for a good reason too).

If you(as a player)wish to not see or be harassed by language there is a language filter and a mute option for chat. Yet you can be banned for use of explicit language. This is a drastic problem that needs attention.

I would like a transfer of purchased material to be given to a new account I am going to make, a permanent chat restriction on my currently banned account, or to just be unbanned because of my points above.

Now I understand that this may not change anyone's views or opinions of the matter. But if no action is taken this will be a wrong to anyone who has been banned for these reasons. This is a dishonor and a treasonous act to the Constitution, a flaw in terms and conditions, and theft of purchases.

All I would like is my account back, I've spent many hours in his game. I love this game, I love the skins and the content and the stories and everything to do with this game, player to player is different. If I don't want to listen to someone or read their vulgarity I mute them or put my language filter on. Please don't make me lose respect for a company I love. This experience has been really confusing and disheartening....

Please help me out, Just a guy trying to play League

Also here's number 7 of the Summoner's Code to back up my point...

7 Be Resolute, not Indignant

"It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience." -Julius Caesar

Intrinsic to the idea of competition is the notion that, when our pride is on the line, emotions tend to run high. Every person that we encounter is going to carry a different set of circumstances with them into the game, and therefore is going to have a different level of tolerance for frustration. If you end up in a game with an abusive player, don't lower yourself to their level. Instead, politely ask them to calm down.And remember, even if you're having a bad game, quitting or going AFK just ruins the game for the rest of the players. If someone's really starting to bother you, the mute and ignore commands are always there to resolve the situation. And remember, while nobody likes being insulted, it pays to take a moment to consider the circumstances. Remember that this is a competitive game, and, more often than not, the other player is just venting their frustration. Try not to take it personally. Everyone has a breaking point and everyone rages sometimes. At some point you may find yourself in the other person's shoes.

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DolasaurMar 24, 20175 votes

The First Amendment gives Americans the freedom of speech

Correct. The government is not preventing you from typing whatever you want into the LoL client, or arresting you afterwards.

but apparently you reserve the right to be above the constitution and the first amendment...

Incorrect. Riot's not the government. They're a private business that have great freedom to regulate speech over their channels.

The First Amendment restricts the government from passing laws that burden freedom of speech in nonessential situations. Riot is not part of the government. The First Amendment doesn't apply here.

Source: The First Amendment itself. Read it. You can easily find transcriptions with your favorite search engine.

ModThe DjinnMar 23, 20174 votes

{quoted}I would like to understand why it is that Riotgames has an option in their game League of Legends, to turn on or off a language filter in the settings, if you can still be banned for the use of explicit language.

Because there's a difference between "Fuck. I can't believe we won that fight. That shit was crazy, guys!" and "Fuck you, you fucking [insert derogatory word of choice here]." Some players are uncomfortable with seeing explicit language at all, and so want to be able to filter it out. Riot is saying the former is an opt-in experience, while the latter is strictly unacceptable.

I guess you can imagine that I am writing this because my account was perma-banned for the use of foul language, but we live in America, the headquarters for Riotgames are in America if I'm not mistaken which means that they should uphold the Constitution.

Freedom of Speech has been found to have reasonable limits on its interpretation several times in United States history. It also doesn't apply fully to privately owned or operated locations, whether physical or digital. If I owned a restaurant I'd be well within my rights to kick you out for screaming obscenities, and Riot's servers follow similar rules.

Also, note that most digital products these days are not purchases of the physical product themselves, but rather licenses to USE the product or products in question. If Steam ever shuts down, for example, you're not entitled to a copy of all your games. If World of Warcraft goes bankrupt, I don't get my in-game mounts sent to me. This is fairly typical of the industry and, in fact, is starting to spread to OTHER industries.

Finally, the mute feature exists as a defensive mechanism against toxic players. In the restaurant metaphor I mentioned earlier, it's like having headphones. Sure, I can put them on and drown out the noise, but that still doesn't mean it's okay for that guy to be yelling obscenities. If he says "It's FINE if I shout slurs. These people have headphones!," the owners can still kick him off the premises.

FlycoolamanMar 24, 20171 votes

Hello there, I play frequently with Zirichel. He has never been warned nor temp banned for 2 weeks, for vulgar language. So to permanently ban some all of a sudden is a bit rash. He does use vulgar language, but the opposing team generally uses it as well. Using such as the "N" word and tell him and I to Uninstall and few times to kill ourselves. So why aren't these people banned permanently? Ether way I would like to just say Zirichel only really rages out when loosing or a team mate is not doing anything or afk, or even responding to a vulgar opposing team mate.

ModThe DjinnMar 24, 20172 votes

{quoted}Hello there, I play frequently with Zirichel. He has never been warned nor temp banned for 2 weeks, for vulgar language.

Certain language and behavior can merit an escalation and skip steps, including up to an immediate permanent ban.

So why aren't these people banned permanently?

It's entirely possible (and likely, in fact) that if they do that frequently or use hate speech or ask players to commit violent acts upon themselves that they either have been or will be soon.

He does use vulgar language, but the opposing team generally uses it as well.

Ether way I would like to just say Zirichel only really rages out when loosing or a team mate is not doing anything or afk, or even responding to a vulgar opposing team mate.

Unfortunately, neither of those is a good justification. Riot has stated many times that you alone are responsible for your behavior. If you respond to toxicity (or even intentional baiting) with toxicity, Riot will hold both parties culpable.

BLACK REALM GODMar 24, 20172 votes

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Certain language and behavior can merit an escalation and skip steps, including up to an immediate permanent ban.

It's entirely possible (and likely, in fact) that if they do that frequently or use hate speech or ask players to commit violent acts upon themselves that they either have been or will be soon.

Unfortunately, neither of those is a good justification. Riot has stated many times that you alone are responsible for your behavior. If you respond to toxicity (or even intentional baiting) with toxicity, Riot will hold both parties culpable.

language granting a permanent account ban is stupid. it doesnt matter how many times - riot has the ability to prevent a player from harassing others by simply restricting their chat which is more effective than removing their account. why go so far to remove their account? that's just pure stupidity and bad business practice. if it was something severe like cheating or fraud that's one thing because that player has stolen from riot, but this is just ignorant abuse of a system.

yay "riot reserves the right to suspend or remove your account for any and all reasons" clause.

ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

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language granting a permanent account ban is stupid. it doesnt matter how many times - riot has the ability to prevent a player from harassing others by simply restricting their chat which is more effective than removing their account. why go so far to remove their account? that's just pure stupidity and bad business practice. if it was something severe like cheating or fraud that's one thing because that player has stolen from riot, but this is just ignorant abuse of a system.

yay "riot reserves the right to suspend or remove your account for any and all reasons" clause.

Thank God finally someone with a conscience and logic. (And on my side) there is clearly a flaw here when you can justifiably steal money purchased tied to an account by saying: you're banned because you called someone bad names and there is no way back from this.

I didn't tell anyone to kill themselves nor did I make any threats. I name called people. Now if you want to take this back I'll give you a realistic comparison metaphor.

I'm sure many of us in our youth got in trouble for name calling at some point. If we want to compare my comparison is this. What I got banned for was childish namecalling. Albeit the language is now more adult and even more taboo as compared to something a child might say, but that's all based on context and opinion.

This is literally me being banned for calling someone else a name they didn't like. And let me ask you: how did they know what I called them? If they were offended maybe they should have kept their chat filter on.

Back to my point in that. Really here I was the little man if you will, picking on someone with name calling, which is a childish thing to do. I'm. It saying my actions were right morally or legally, however banning me for language is childish given the regard.

I didn't cheat the game, I paid for my Riot points to buy the skins I purchased and any other cosmetic. All I did was offend some people in a childish behavior of rage and frustration. No where else would that get you permanently banned with no remorse or room for forgiveness.

Even in a store or some other place. If a child throws a tantrum they get punished. Why do we have certain set rules for children that are forgiveable but suddenly now that you're an adult you can no longer be forgiven. Grown adults still make mistakes.

I have been robbed and cheated by being banned for using language which through the first amendment which governs this country and businesses within it, not just the government aspect, gives me the right to say what I will. Punishing me for such actions would therefore spit in the Constitution and would mean that I don't have those rights.

It's pretty simple.

Again I will state. I know I do not own the actual content, but I have purchased the rights to use it.

Therefore my money has been stolen seeing as League servers are still up and running in America and there is still a way to access them.

I don't see why my point is so hard to be seen.

Riot's terms are flawed and technically even if made legal, are illegal here in the states.

Government is above companies and jusicated laws for the land, private businesses can't just throw the Constitution out the window. Or am I wrong and is freedom in America truly dead?

BLACK REALM GODMar 25, 20171 votes

you need to stop posting comments before you dig your own hole deeper. i never said i was defending you. the fact that you harassed someone is deplorable. you deserve to be tossed into a well like the girl from the ring.

however that is that and this is this.

chat filters and chat suspensions were made to teach people like you how to communicate with others or not at all. taking your account away from you does nothing to benefit you and nothing to benefit league.

ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

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you need to stop posting comments before you dig your own hole deeper. i never said i was defending you. the fact that you harassed someone is deplorable. you deserve to be tossed into a well like the girl from the ring.

That was rude and uncalled for a hypocritical. I never said you were defending me either. I simply said you actually have some sense. But it looks like I was wrong. Belittling me is hypocritical and making snide remarks leading to the intent of you thinking I should be thrown in a well which would inevitably lead to my death is telling me you think I should die, even more offensive than calling someone names like I have.

however that is that and this is this.

chat filters and chat suspensions were made to teach people like you how to communicate with others or not at all. taking your account away from you does nothing to benefit you and nothing to benefit league.

Pretty sure chat filters are to prevent the encounter of reading/seeing offensive language. And if you have the chat filter on this means you don't want to see sigh language thereby protecting you from such offensive language.

Taking my account away is childish and simply a dumb and unfair to do. It doesn't make sense either. Chat ban would suffice or a two week ban would suffice.

I really should be given a second chance. How is it fair that I get permanently banned because I called people names?

BLACK REALM GODMar 25, 20171 votes

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That was rude and uncalled for a hypocritical. I never said you were defending me either. I simply said you actually have some sense. But it looks like I was wrong. Belittling me is hypocritical and making snide remarks leading to the intent of you thinking I should be thrown in a well which would inevitably lead to my death is telling me you think I should die, even more offensive than calling someone names like I have.

Pretty sure chat filters are to prevent the encounter of reading/seeing offensive language. And if you have the chat filter on this means you don't want to see sigh language thereby protecting you from such offensive language.

Taking my account away is childish and simply a dumb and unfair to do. It doesn't make sense either. Chat ban would suffice or a two week ban would suffice.

I really should be given a second chance. How is it fair that I get permanently banned because I called people names?

i quoted it and replied above above so you can see for yourself.

i never said you should die. throwing someone down a well is an idiom. means excluding you from society. it's the opposite of living under a rock.

chat filters dont prevent people from seeing "you ***** suck at (enter champion here)" among other things. curse words are offensive and constantly cursing should cause a chat suspension. period. there's no reason why anyone should have to swear in league of legends. you're not describing a porno or a digestive tract documentary. there's literally no reason for you to swear unless to offend someone or because you've created a habit of it (which needs to be corrected anyway if thats the case) if your friends are reporting you for swearing then either they're trying to get you banned or theyre offended by it too. the rest of the time you're playing with random strangers so why would you need to talk about anything other than the game?

personally i think inappropriate chat conduct should be met with chat restrictions and not account restrictions. especially not an account ban. as i stated before that's just bad business and helps no one.

permanent bans should be saved for players who unfairly acquire resources in game. whether that's through cheating, boosting, IP scamming, botting, credit card frauding, etc. locking someone out of their account for being ignorant of the rules of society is just as ignorant and ultimately pointless.

ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

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i quoted it and replied above above so you can see for yourself.

i never said you should die. throwing someone down a well is an idiom. means excluding you from society. it's the opposite of living under a rock.

Kinda implied even if it was a phrase or metaphor you should have mentioned that. Because that was kinda mean especially since I don't know about that idiom until now.

chat filters dont prevent people from seeing "you ***** suck at (enter champion here)" among other things. curse words are offensive and constantly cursing should cause a chat suspension. period. there's no reason why anyone should have to swear in league of legends. you're not describing a porno or a digestive tract documentary. there's literally no reason for you to swear unless to offend someone or because you've created a habit of it (which needs to be corrected anyway if thats the case) if your friends are reporting you for swearing then either they're trying to get you banned or theyre offended by it too. the rest of the time you're playing with random strangers so why would you need to talk about anything other than the game?

You make a good point but it does take out the offensive language and that's what it's there for...

Using the filter (putting it on) means that you don't want to see offensive language. And fixes that problem.

Turning it off me as you are okay with seeing and even want to see the offensive language.

personally i think inappropriate chat conduct should be met with chat restrictions and not account restrictions. especially not an account ban. as i stated before that's just bad business and helps no one.

I agree with this. This is where you support my cause. (Not defending my actions and words but say that I shouldn't get banned for language; not indefinitely)

(Also I am sorry, I've said that lots throughout these comments. I do not wish to do what I did ever again, I wasn't issued any warnings, I was permanently banned. I have never been banned before this.

Also my friend who used the exact same words as I did was only banned for two weeks not permanently)

permanent bans should be saved for players who unfairly acquire resources in game. whether that's through cheating, boosting, IP scamming, botting, credit card frauding, etc. locking someone out of their account for being ignorant of the rules of society is just as ignorant and ultimately pointless.

I agree with this as well.

BLACK REALM GODMar 25, 20172 votes

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Thank God finally someone with a conscience and logic. (And on my side) there is clearly a flaw here when you can justifiably steal money purchased tied to an account by saying: you're banned because you called someone bad names and there is no way back from this.

I didn't tell anyone to kill themselves nor did I make any threats. I name called people. Now if you want to take this back I'll give you a realistic comparison metaphor.

** I'm sure many of us in our youth got in trouble for name calling at some point. If we want to compare my comparison is this. What I got banned for was childish namecalling. Albeit the language is now more adult and even more taboo as compared to something a child might say, but that's all based on context and opinion.**

This is literally me being banned for calling someone else a name they didn't like. And let me ask you: how did they know what I called them? If they were offended maybe they should have kept their chat filter on.

** Back to my point in that. Really here I was the little man if you will, picking on someone with name calling, which is a childish thing to do. I'm. It saying my actions were right morally or legally, however banning me for language is childish given the regard.**

I didn't cheat the game, I paid for my Riot points to buy the skins I purchased and any other cosmetic. All I did was offend some people in a childish behavior of rage and frustration. No where else would that get you permanently banned with no remorse or room for forgiveness.

** Even in a store or some other place. If a child throws a tantrum they get punished. Why do we have certain set rules for children that are forgiveable but suddenly now that you're an adult you can no longer be forgiven. Grown adults still make mistakes.**

I have been robbed and cheated by being banned for using language which through the first amendment which governs this country and businesses within it, not just the government aspect, gives me the right to say what I will. Punishing me for such actions would therefore spit in the Constitution and would mean that I don't have those rights.

** It's pretty simple.**

Again I will state. I know I do not own the actual content, but I have purchased the rights to use it.

** Therefore my money has been stolen seeing as League servers are still up and running in America and there is still a way to access them.**

** I don't see why my point is so hard to be seen.**

Riot's terms are flawed and technically even if made legal, are illegal here in the states.

** Government is above companies and jusicated laws for the land, private businesses can't just throw the Constitution out the window. Or am I wrong and is freedom in America truly dead?**

none of this matters and all of it hurts your argument because it's too long, it rambles, you're using american laws and ideology to support a claim against an online company i.e. the internet, and what's more your comparisons are flawed.

the people who take the time to read it are probably already on your side anyway and the people who arent wont spend the time to read it because it's too long. you're better off not saying anything if you cant get to the point a lot quicker than that with better articulation.

ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

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none of this matters and all of it hurts your argument because it's too long, it rambles, you're using american laws and ideology to support a claim against an online company i.e. the internet, and what's more your comparisons are flawed.

We are in America therefore American ideals and laws apply. It's against a company/business not the internet. My intent was to reach out to Riot. Anyone who has posted to argue or make any other points have done it because they wanted to. Same as you. And that means you wanted to argue or make a point.

I make a point to state anything that comes to my mind that might help my case or make my intentions clear. It seems as though too many people ignore my intent. However you're not all wrong, I guess I do ramble a bit.

Overall I'd like to have a second chance I feel I've been treated unfairly. I was rude and used inappropriate language and got banned for it because people reported me for using such inappropriate language. I am sorry and would like a second chance.

I guess I did say on my side I guess I was under false pretense I apologize for assuming.

the people who take the time to read it are probably already on your side anyway and the people who arent wont spend the time to read it because it's too long. you're better off not saying anything if you cant get to the point a lot quicker than that with better articulation.

Thanks for your help I guess. If that's your intent in criticizing my remarks. However much of what I say is repetition.

My rights have been violated and I'm fairly certain you can't sign your rights away and if that's possible then freedom is dead in America because that is a violation of the Constitution.

Concisely:

My first Amendment has been violated regardless of terms.

I am mad that I have been permanently banned with no prior warning.

I am also upset that Riot has the right to steal the money you used to purchase the right to use the in game content. (Per terms)

Most importantly in regard to all of this. I am truly sorry for what I have done and would like a second chance. And if I violate the terms again then a permanent ban would be fair. But only if I was to use such language again would I get permanently banned.

BLACK REALM GODMar 25, 20172 votes

{quoted}

We are in America therefore American ideals and laws apply. It's against a company/business not the internet. My intent was to reach out to Riot. Anyone who has posted to argue or make any other points have done it because they wanted to. Same as you. And that means you wanted to argue or make a point.

league is owned by tencent and is an online international service - not a physical american service. American laws do not apply. only international laws. only companies in the united states that offer services in the united states physically are held to the standards of the constitution of america. otherwise those jokes about sweatshops wouldnt have a ring of truth to them. riot's office is legally held to the constitution as far as employees rights and such go, but the online service is not.

I make a point to state anything that comes to my mind that might help my case or make my intentions clear. It seems as though too many people ignore my intent. However you're not all wrong, I guess I do ramble a bit.

that is known as verbal diarrhea

I guess I did say on my side I guess I was under false pretense I apologize for assuming. to the point a lot quicker than that with better articulation.

im glad you understand that part

Thanks for your help I guess. If that's your intent in criticizing my remarks. However much of what I say is repetition.

My rights have been violated and I'm fairly certain you can't sign your rights away and if that's possible then freedom is dead in America because that is a violation of the Constitution.

Concisely:

My first Amendment has been violated regardless of terms.

I am mad that I have been permanently banned with no prior warning.

I am also upset that Riot has the right to steal the money you used to purchase the right to use the in game content. (Per terms)

Most importantly in regard to all of this. I am truly sorry for what I have done and would like a second chance. And if I violate the terms again then a permanent ban would be fair. But only if I was to use such language again would I get permanently banned.

Your first amendment does not have any weight in the argument. legally you gave up several of your rights when you accepted the league of legends EULA. whether or not the EULA would hold up in a court is up to you to find out. one issue is that the US constitution hasn't been updated properly. the us bill of rights only affects americans and american companies and not the extent of the internet or international companies (obviously)

I would be also.

every online company with a EULA usually has that right - xbox, netflix, psn, nintendo, world of warcraft, the list goes on and on.

a permanent ban is never fair to anyone who hasnt done something that actually matters to the company - such as stealing or fraud. currently these permanent bans have been mostly abuse of legal power.

honestly it's getting to the point that im considering not reporting people and i'm sure others feel the same way.

ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

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league is owned by tencent and is an online international service - not a physical american service. American laws do not apply. only international laws. only companies in the united states that offer services in the united states physically are held to the standards of the constitution of america. otherwise those jokes about sweatshops wouldnt have a ring of truth to them. riot's office is legally held to the constitution as far as employees rights and such go, but the online service is not.

How can something be operated and run in America but not have to be subject to its laws regardless of terms? Riot has HQ in America therefore (having American servers) means they should be required to be subject (in America) to its laws.

that is known as verbal diarrhea

im glad you understand that part

Your first amendment does not have any weight in the argument. legally you gave up several of your rights when you accepted the league of legends EULA.

How is this legal? EULA if it holds up I guess would determine that, however how can something be allowed to be in America yet cause for the citizens to be required to give up their rights?

whether or not the EULA would hold up in a court is up to you to find out. one issue is that the US constitution hasn't been updated properly. the us bill of rights only affects americans and american companies and not the extent of the internet or international companies (obviously)

Yes but like I've said above if they have part in America, companies/businesses or servers in America and are in part runnin America, then the portion located here should have to be subject to the rules and laws here?

I would be also.

every online company with a EULA usually has that right - xbox, netflix, psn, nintendo, world of warcraft, the list goes on and on.

a permanent ban is never fair to anyone who hasnt done something that actually matters to the company - such as stealing or fraud. currently these permanent bans have been mostly abuse of legal power.

I feel the same. Guess that's up to Riot and is a little ridiculous. Especially where I am sorry I have admitted and will admit my wrong and which I could take it back and make it up.

honestly it's getting to the point that im considering not reporting people and i'm sure others feel the same way.

I've thought about that a lot after this. I don't want anyone else to have to deal with this unless they were cheating or hacking or threatening someone's life or something super extreme.

I just want a second chance. The two week ban option and then I would never do what I did again.

Not to mention a chat ban would seem to be a fix for this solution.

BLACK REALM GODMar 25, 20173 votes

not the service. the service is international. the only part that has to adhere to the law is the actual office where the workers make their content. the riot employees are protected by the american constitution - not the player.

the players are protected by the international laws. our bill of rights is not part of the international laws.

if a countries laws and an online service's EULA conflict then that country has a right to ban use of that content in their country, but it still wont protect you from signing your rights away due to international law.

does that make sense?

tencent is a chinese company and they own riot and league of legends - does that help you understand why freedom of speech is not protected?

ChønklordMar 25, 20171 votes

Not to mention regardless of international/national, even if Riot games was completely and wholly owned in the USA, you still would be punished regardless of the first amendment. First amendment does not apply to areas owned by a private entity. Riot could, theoretically, say in their ToS "we only allow people to say 'gg' 'glhf', and saying anything else will get you banned", and that would be completely legal.

BLACK REALM GODMar 25, 20172 votes

well... idk about that part, but i do know that... this happened.

http://myfox8.com/2012/05/17/man-calls-police-pickets-restaurants-all-you-can-eat-policy/

and the man was removed from the premises for disorderly conduct.

so as long as this isnt fake news then it adds truth to your statement.

ChønklordMar 25, 20171 votes

https://www.disabled-world.com/communication/freedom-of-speech.php

The first amendment only applies to the US Government. Freedom of speech is limited in private places.

BLACK REALM GODMar 25, 20171 votes

nice link.

good enough for me.

ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

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not the service. the service is international. the only part that has to adhere to the law is the actual office where the workers make their content. the riot employees are protected by the american constitution - not the player.

the players are protected by the international laws. our bill of rights is not part of the international laws.

if a countries laws and an online service's EULA conflict then that country has a right to ban use of that content in their country, but it still wont protect you from signing your rights away due to international law.

does that make sense?

I just don't want to accept it but I guess I have to accept that things have really been so perverted by the people and powers of today.

tencent is a chinese company and they own riot and league of legends - does that help you understand why freedom of speech is not protected?

I understand that they are owned by China. But what I don't understand is why they have individual servers and and individual building and headquarters then. Because if they do, then why aren't these different branches required to follow the laws. Yes you've explained it but how does that work. At this point I've just given up this is ridiculous and I guess I'm just wrong.

The Constitution is dead. There is no more Freedom in America. Freedom means no bounds. Yes I understand that there are needed laws and restrictions. Obvious things like no theft, no murder and all that jazz, but it still pissed me off.

You're (Riot) is really gonna ban me because I said some cruel things that I shouldn't have and not give me another chance or a warning.

I was never preciously banned. In this instance this is a first offense and Riot is not being forgiving. Which I guess in accordance to the terms I accept gives them every right to do. They own the rights to the game and everything else about it.

I just wanna know why I was banned for this while other players. One in specific I know.. only has a temp ban for two weeks.... That's discrimination even if they have the right to do it.

BLACK REALM GODMar 25, 20171 votes

the constitution is only applicable inside of our borders. you're dealing with international affairs and private property.

as i've said if for whatever reason you think you have a case then there's always legal options. personally i dont see the point in it.

it's a perversion of law, but it's still law.

ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

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the constitution is only applicable inside of our borders. you're dealing with international affairs and private property.

Thanks for not just treating me like scum like quite a few of the people have here.

I understand that part, I don't understand how such things can be owned and operated on American soil if they don't follow the laws.

Yes league and Riot are china owned, however the corporation and servers are here in America, so the NA servers should have to follow American law. That's my precedence.

But I know all you'll say is that I'm wrong and that it's international due to the owners of the actual complete company. Who does not have to abide by our rules due to them not living here.

It's just much more confusing than it really needs to be and for this all to work they use loopholes and get you to sign away your rights which does mean that you are being violated, but that you have given into the violation of your own free will. (This is what I've learned)

as i've said if for whatever reason you think you have a case then there's always legal options. personally i dont see the point in it.

it's a perversion of law, but it's still law.

I guess that's pretty much as good as I'll get. Thank you for being logical and reasonable. I hate it when people only cram things down others throats so to speak.

Most of the people here have given me zero leeway or room to speak by way of telling me straight up that I am 100% wrong and that I deserve what I got.

While that isn't completely true, it's not completely false either. Yes I signed the terms and gave upy rights, I wasn't aware that this was possible.

I just find it really sad that things like this happen. I am upset that it has happened to me and that I can't even get a second chance.

I'm sad to hear that this incredibly thriving business has no problem stealing money from its users upon legal premise of them having agreed to their policies.

(I mean please, all argument aside, this is legalized theft. Sure you signed away your money to them in the terms, but it's just so that they can garantee their money, which doesn't sound bad, but when they have it set up the way they do, it's justified, legalized, theft of the money and in their words, means that you have been disqualified for the rights to what you payed for. But it's all in the terms so it's legal (and it is). But that doesn't make it okay.)

I'm Just upset that I can't even have a second chance...

I really am sorry. (And sure you can just say I'm only saying this because I feel robbed and because I just think that saying sorry might get me another chance, but that would be wrong.) the things I said were I called for and in no circumstance were they appropriate. I am truly sorry, but it doesn't matter because honestly...

No one cares. I'm just another asshole, a toxic player that got justice from the tribunal and doesn't deserve even a heap of respect even if I'm sorry for what I did.

So I guess I just have to admit defeat to the unjust and twisted law that I signed my soul away to.

BLACK REALM GODMar 25, 20171 votes

make another account and just play for free if you like the game that much. just remember to keep your head down this time.

ZirichelMar 24, 20172 votes

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Because there's a difference between "Fuck. I can't believe we won that fight. That shit was crazy, guys!" and "Fuck you, you fucking [insert derogatory word of choice here]." Some players are uncomfortable with seeing explicit language at all, and so want to be able to filter it out. Riot is saying the former is an opt-in experience, while the latter is strictly unacceptable.

Okay so in that case if I am cussing out a champion, as in the actual digital champ by way of saying Teemo I hate you. Then is that okay? Because that's what I do. And then I yell profanity in anger.

I can get perma banned for that? This is the first and only time I've been banned. No warnings, no previous band for language. How is this fair?

Freedom of Speech has been found to have reasonable limits on its interpretation several times in United States history. It also doesn't apply fully to privately owned or operated locations, whether physical or digital. If I owned a restaurant I'd be well within my rights to kick you out for screaming obscenities, and Riot's servers follow similar rules.

I'm sorry but the phrase, Freedom of Speech in itself has no restriction and no room for debate. While owning property such as land or a diner would give you the right to kick someone out of that area, that makes sense, but in online games that is a little different. While Riot may own the servers and the intellectual property they don't own me or my computer. I have the right to freedom of speech and if the press. Which means I have the right to speak my mind.

Also, note that most digital products these days are not purchases of the physical product themselves, but rather licenses to USE the product or products in question. If Steam ever shuts down, for example, you're not entitled to a copy of all your games. If World of Warcraft goes bankrupt, I don't get my in-game mounts sent to me. This is fairly typical of the industry and, in fact, is starting to spread to OTHER industries.

I understand what that entails. However League is available in my country and the servers are up and running. I don't understand why I cannot use the content I have purchased to be used strictly in game. I have he right to use that content in game seeing as I have paid for it. I know I don't own the intellectual property or the rights to the digital as I please, but I do have the right to use the content in game.

Finally, the mute feature exists as a defensive mechanism against toxic players. In the restaurant metaphor I mentioned earlier, it's like having headphones. Sure, I can put them on and drown out the noise, but that still doesn't mean it's okay for that guy to be yelling obscenities. If he says "It's FINE if I shout slurs. These people have headphones!," the owners can still kick him off the premises.

Yes I understand. However your headphone metaphor doesn't work here. Heapphones no matter how noise cancelling and in a public irl physical place is completely different than behind computer screens where when you use that mute option the chat from that player cannot be seen or heard or expressed. They may still do it, but there's no telling unless you unmute them. Again there is no reason for banning people for language when there are such precautions.

There is no point in this example for a language filter or mute option if you are just going to ban people for it anyway...

With no warnings given to ask them politely, like the summoner code says, to calm down. I was given no warnings, this is the only time I've been banned and I've never received any bans prior to this one. So that's my biggest concern........

ModThe DjinnMar 24, 20171 votes

{quoted}Okay so in that case if I am cussing out a champion, as in the actual digital champ by way of saying Teemo I hate you. Then is that okay? Because that's what I do. And then I yell profanity in anger.

I'd have to see actual chat logs, honestly. It's difficult to tell without seeing how you're handling yourself in game, and the exact working you use. "I fucking hate Teemo" is probably fine, as long as your entire chat log isn't that, but, again, I'd need to see your logs.

I'm sorry but the phrase, Freedom of Speech in itself has no restriction and no room for debate.

There are MANY exceptions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

While owning property such as land or a diner would give you the right to kick someone out of that area, that makes sense, but in online games that is a little different. While Riot may own the servers and the intellectual property they do't own me or my computer. I have the right to freedom of speech and if the press. Which means I have the right to speak my mind.

There's legal precedent for this that, unfortunately, proves you incorrect. Riot can't stop you typing what you want on your computer, but they ARE allowed to block your connection if content they don't approve of is sent from your computer into their system and presented to their audience. Just like the restaurant example can't say you can't write racist things in your diary, but CAN kick you out for broadcasting them to their patrons.

I understand what that entails. However League is available in my country and the servers are up and running. I don't understand why I cannot use the content I have purchased to be used strictly in game. I have he right to use that content in game seeing as I have paid for it. I know I don't own the intellectual property or the rights to the digital as I please, but I do have the right to use the content in game.

See my other comment on this. Specifically, it mentions the Terms of Use section 4.1. They have the right to remove access to your content at their discretion, and you signed the Terms of Use to acknowledge your acceptance of that right.

This is also not a Riot thing -- this is industry standard.

Yes I understand. However your headphone metaphor doesn't work here. Headphones no matter how noise cancelling and in a public irl physical place is completely different than behind computer screens where when you use that mute option the chat from that player cannot be seen or heard or expressed. They may still do it, but there's no telling unless you unmute them. Again there is no reason for banning people for language when there are such precautions.

The metaphor isn't perfect, but it comes down to this: saying the Mute button exists and therefore all language is fine is the same as saying the burden for avoiding unwanted, aggressive interaction is the responsibility of the victim, not the perpetrator. Riot would rather people not have to be exposed to that sort of interaction at ALL, and people will not know to mute you until you cause a toxic environment for them. Hence punishing the perpetrators instead of saying "you can mute him so it's fine."

ZirichelMar 24, 20171 votes

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I'd have to see actual chat logs, honestly. It's difficult to tell without seeing how you're handling yourself in game, and the exact working you use. "I fucking hate Teemo" is probably fine, as long as your entire chat log isn't that, but, again, I'd need to see your logs.

I'll have to get those on here and check them again.

There are MANY exceptions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

Really Wikipedia? This only has to do with court of law not online interactions not to mention no where does it talk about this given situation. I can say what I want unless it's treason or terrorism.

There's legal precedent for this that, unfortunately, proves you incorrect. Riot can't stop you typing what you want on your computer, but they ARE allowed to block your connection if content they don't approve of is sent from your computer into their system and presented to their audience. Just like the restaurant example can't say you can't write racist things in your diary, but CAN kick you out for broadcasting them to their patrons.

Well sure but that's the uttmost extreme. The solution to this problem is chat perma ban not an account ban.

The chat log was from the last 3 games in a row that I played I'm pretty sure. Not to mention again that I had no warnings or temp ban or anything like that.

See my other comment on this. Specifically, it mentions the Terms of Use section 4.1. They have the right to remove access to your content at their discretion, and you signed the Terms of Use to acknowledge your acceptance of that right.

This is also not a Riot thing -- this is industry standard.

Yes but it also says I have a right to use the content in game so it's contradictory and that's falsifying in itself....

The metaphor isn't perfect, but it comes down to this: saying the Mute button exists and therefore all language is fine is the same as saying the burden for avoiding unwanted, aggressive interaction is the responsibility of the victim, not the perpetrator. Riot would rather people not have to be exposed to that sort of interaction at ALL, and people will not know to mute you until you cause a toxic environment for them. Hence punishing the perpetrators instead of saying "you can mute him so it's fine."

Well sure I can understand that, but having the filter on lessens the impact and muting removes the problem. They don't have to listen to me.

Number 7 in the summoner's code outlined this pretty clear. It was three games where I used foul language not towards people but in frustration. The summoner's code advises players to mute and ignore. Therefore creating a hypocritical situation when it comes to banning.

ModThe DjinnMar 24, 20171 votes

{quoted}I can say what I want unless it's treason or terrorism.

Yep. But not necessarily without consequences (kicked out of restaurant, banned from League, fired from job, etc). There's Freedom of Speech, but not Freedom From Accepting The Consequences of Your Speech. Important distinction, unfortunately.

Well sure but that's the utmost extreme. The solution to this problem is chat perma ban not an account ban.

Sadly, I'm not Riot, and my opinion on their system isn't really useful here.

The chat log was from the last 3 games in a row that I played I'm pretty sure. Not to mention again that I had no warnings or temp ban or anything like that.

Bans usually aren't given out until you've reached a rather high percentage of games played to games reported. So although you only receive three logs, chances are the actual number is higher than that. Again, Riot Support may be able to help you there -- I can't.

Yes but it also says I have a right to use the content in game...

Correct. Until and unless they waive that right. Which they have with the ban.

Again, I'm not a lawyer, and really can't discuss it past this point. Riot DOES have lawyers though, and so I suspect they've made sure this is legal. Especially since almost EVERY game company does this exact thing with virtual content.

Well sure I can understand that, but having the filter on lessens the impact and muting removes the problem. They don't have to listen to me.

But they have to at least once to know you need to be muted. If I open the game by typing a string of racial slurs, SOMEONE had to read that to know they should mute me. And that's already too much.

Number 7 in the summoner's code outlined this pretty clear. It was three games where I used foul language not towards people but in frustration. The summoner's code advises players to mute and ignore. Therefore creating a hypocritical situation when it comes to banning.

That's an advisement on what to do if confronting a toxic player. It doesn't say "they can say whatever they like without punishment, so just mute them." No hypocrisy there, although I can understand the confusion.

ZirichelMar 24, 20171 votes

Game 1 Zirichel: fuck you alistar Zirichel: don't ping me like that %%%%% Zirichel: nice job heim Zirichel: you're a %%%% ali Zirichel: you fucking %%% ass bitch Zirichel: pinging me wiht the "?" when you're a lil bitch who don't do shit Zirichel: I hide to clean up and wait out Zirichel: it's strategic Zirichel: you bitch ;P Zirichel: hide to ks Zirichel: you fucking little bitch ass Zirichel: ;) Zirichel: hypocrite fuck Zirichel: you're a dumb %%%% alistar Zirichel: stfu Zirichel: I don't play ryze, you fuck Zirichel: so stfu hypocrite boi Zirichel: oh wait Zirichel: you're dead Zirichel: fuckin %%% Zirichel: What did I say %%%%%% Zirichel: I don't play ryze Zirichel: bitch ass Zirichel: lol Zirichel: you're a little bitch and it's hilarious Zirichel: oh wait Zirichel: not you too zilean stfu Zirichel: %%%%%% Zirichel: lol Zirichel: this ali Zirichel: lol jhin Zirichel: lol yall are welcome Zirichel: all strategy Zirichel: you fucker Zirichel: Lol speak english? Zirichel: best ult na Zirichel: yall didn't follow up Zirichel: %%%%%%s Zirichel: lol report this rude offensive ali please, he's been harassing me this whole game with a plethora of "?" pings and rude language Game 2 Zirichel: Hey I got 11 kills last time no mastery Zirichel: I just Zirichel: forgot Zirichel: I was gonna make a page just for Aram... Zirichel: lol Zirichel: fuck you Zirichel: don't drag that bird to me Zirichel: xd Zirichel: yall fuckers Zirichel: bringing that silence crow to the whole damn team Zirichel: just Zirichel: lemme Zirichel: kill that tentacle boi Zirichel: lol no what was rude is that I got all interrupted trying to kill you Zirichel: yall are gay %%%s Zirichel: for fucking real Zirichel: report poppy Zirichel: fucking steals the fiddle penta Zirichel: rude ass bitch Zirichel: ;P Zirichel: not actually a good game Zirichel: but gg Zirichel: still report poppy, that was rude af Zirichel: LOL Game 3 Zirichel: fucking %%%%%%s

Here's the chat log, I guess I'm probably in the wrong, I didn't remember being so direct however I wish it showed what others were saying as well. I did say some really explicit things.

ChønklordMar 24, 20172 votes

Jesus Christ on a cracker. I can't even comprehend how you would ever think any of that is an acceptable form of talking period. Practically every line is beyond toxic. I don't know your reasoning for this type of behavior -- perhaps you have anger issues, or suffer from some mental/emotional imbalance, or you are just this immature -- either way, none of this chat is acceptable in league or in life, period. Yes you have the freedom to say this stuff, but you do not have the freedom from the consequences from saying it. You broke riot's rules, riot owns the game you play and all the stuff within the game. You have a shared right to use their content, up until the point that you violate their ToS. Then riot had complete legal authority to do what they want with your account.

Just a friendly warning and reminder, this type of behavior is thoroughly emotionally immature, socially and racially insensitive (at best), and most definitely toxic to the Nth degree.

ZirichelMar 24, 20171 votes

You know what in the end you may not be wrong. The things that I said were vulgar to the extreme and were uncalled for. And you're probably right I probably do have some sort of imbalance.

Also your intro statement offends me in its nature, but words are words. I can choose to be offended or to not be. People call each other %%%%%% all the time. So I don't understand where that's so bad.

But maybe it's just because I have an imbalance.

My biggest problem is that riot has the right and that they've made it legally possible that they can steal the money youve purchased things with.

Yes I know I don't own the intellectual property, yes I know I violated their rules, but nothing justifies theft. Just like nothing justifies the words I used.

I just don't understand how I've been straight perma banned with no warnings and my friend who used the same language in the same way was only temp banned for two weeks.

ChønklordMar 25, 20171 votes

No, people don't call each other that "all the time"; that is homophobic hate speech and is a derogatory term, much like the N word, etc. People don't say that, unless they mean to insult someone, and it is insulting to the LGBTQ community as a whole.

It's not "theft"; you paid for the right to use the digital content, not to own it. Once you violated the terms, Riot games no longer held any legal obligation to let you continue using the content and playing their game, and have permanently deleted your account.

ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

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No, people don't call each other that "all the time"; that is homophobic hate speech and is a derogatory term, much like the N word, etc. People don't say that, unless they mean to insult someone, and it is insulting to the LGBTQ community as a whole.

A %%% or a %%%got is a bundle of sticks. I had no intentions of offending the LGBTQ 🏳️‍🌈 COMMUNITY. I guess they don't like being called sticks? I don't follow... Please don't assume my language.

And black people call each other %%%%% all the time. Trust me I would know.

It's not "theft"; you paid for the right to use the digital content, not to own it. Once you violated the terms, Riot games no longer held any legal obligation to let you continue using the content and playing their game, and have permanently deleted your account.

I paid for the right to use it. Which means regardless of anything else that because I paid the money I have the right to use it. Anything else is hypocritical and flawed terms. And legalized theft. No matter how you want to look at it.

I know and perfectly we'll understand I do not own, nor did I pay for the digital/intellectual physical property, I don't own the rights to the skins, but by paying for the skins I have the right to use them in game, and denying my ability to use what I have paid explicitly "TO USE" is theft of my money, not theft of the product which I do not own, it is theft of the money and making rules and laws and terms to no refunds and no transfer and termination is theft of the money I paid. Even if it's legal or term based it's still theft even if I agreed to it.

EvilDustManMar 25, 20171 votes

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A %%% or a %%%got is a bundle of sticks. I had no intentions of offending the LGBTQ 🏳️‍🌈 COMMUNITY. I guess they don't like being called sticks? I don't follow... Please don't assume my language.

You are splitting hairs, and regardless, you are using it as a harsh insult.

ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

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You are splitting hairs, and regardless, you are using it as a harsh insult.

All you do is avoid my questions and points and bring up other things. Are you here to help or harass? Because you aren't here to logically debate. So far all you've done is tell me things that express why I'm wrong and have no rights (especially based on what I said, even though I do have the right.)

EvilDustManMar 25, 20171 votes

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All you do is avoid my questions and points and bring up other things. Are you here to help or harass? Because you aren't here to logically debate. So far all you've done is tell me things that express why I'm wrong and have no rights (especially based on what I said, even though I do have the right.)

You either refuse to see that you are wrong, or you are being willfully ignorant in hopes it'll somehow overturn your ban. So I'll be plain.

You are a toxic individual. You don't have a right to be as much of a monumental asshole as you were in those logs. Yes, you were using hatespeech. Yes, Riot has the right to remove your account for your language.

If you want to play League more, learn to keep your language civil and learn to mute other people. If you insist you have the right to insult people whenever you like, leave, because they won't stop banning you.

No refund, no second chance on your account.

http://i.imgur.com/EnSjtgK.gif

If you don't want to learn, then leave. The community doesn't want you.

ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

{quoted}

You either refuse to see that you are wrong, or you are being willfully ignorant in hopes it'll somehow overturn your ban. So I'll be plain.

You have not proven me wrong. Therefore I am not wrong. The Constitution is very clear and government is not all it applies to and even if it is, government governs people and business which is run by people. So therefore those people have to abide by the rules of its government.

You are a toxic individual. You don't have a right to be as much of a monumental asshole as you were in those logs. Yes, you were using hatespeech. Yes, Riot has the right to remove your account for your language.

You don't think I haven't learned from this experience. I guess I'm Not allowed my freedom of speech and I guess freedom in America is dead. I am trying to reasonably debate and ask questions and make points where I see points to be made about unclear positions in terms. I was toxic and rude but I do have the right to be. Though that doesn't mean I should. They have as much room to mute and block or ignore me as well as turn in their chat filter if they don't want to know what's being said as an avoidance/ignorance tool. Just as much as I have the right to say what I will or block and mute other players to.

Literally I have decided that I was rude and completely toxic, I am sorry for my actions. I think a second chance would be fair, a two week ban, or a permanent chat ban. It isn't fair to steal the account and money I've spent because I offended someone. That's just illogical. And like was mentioned by someone else an abuse of the system.

If you want to play League more, learn to keep your language civil and learn to mute other people. If you insist you have the right to insult people whenever you like, leave, because they won't stop banning you.

I've decided once again that what I did was wrong and I would like a second chance. I will be kind and nice and reformed and will refrain myself and show self control, why can I not be given a second chance?

No refund, no second chance on your account.

I would ask why again but you would tell me because it's in the terms. All Riot would have to do is ban me again forever with no more chances. All I want is a second chance. I don't see why I can't get one if I promise (which I do) to change my ways.

http://i.imgur.com/EnSjtgK.gif

If you don't want to learn, then leave. The community doesn't want you.

This is simply rude. I have stated I learned my lesson and have admitted what I did was wrong and rude. I guess I'm just banned forever and there is no forgiveness which is pretty rash. I wasn't given any warnings and I don't have a second chance or a two week ban or a chat ban. Any of those would be better than a permanent ban for language.

I didn't cheat, I didn't steal or hack for RP I called someone names in different games that led to my account being suddenly perma-banned.

I said things and because I spoke explicit language I got banned.

EvilDustManMar 25, 20171 votes

Read: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

And you didn't say explicit things. You were an asshole to someone. You can get thrown out of this game for being an asshole to someone. And hey, you were an asshole to someone with a lot of hate speech. That's a red flag. It means you are not welcome here if that's how you are going to act.

You didn't offend people. You were an asshole. This isn't about offending people. This isn't about safe spaces. This is about YOU having been an ASSHOLE and no one likes ASSHOLES. Bottom line. And you decided to be a super mega double asshole. So you went right to the head of the ban line.

Congratulations.

ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

{quoted}

Read: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

This literally just proves me right that I do in fact have a protected freedom of speech and that the government uphold that freedom. And if the government upholds it then he people and people run business has to uphold the same.

And you didn't say explicit things. You were an asshole to someone. You can get thrown out of this game for being an asshole to someone. And hey, you were an asshole to someone with a lot of hate speech. That's a red flag. It means you are not welcome here if that's how you are going to act.

Explicit language and vulgar language and horrible language and hate speech are all considerably the same thing. You're not wrong that I am being an asshole but now you are using curse words which is explicit language which makes you a sort of hypocrite.

And now you're telling me I simply got banned for being rude.

You didn't offend people. You were an asshole. This isn't about offending people. This isn't about safe spaces. This is about YOU having been an ASSHOLE and no one likes ASSHOLES. Bottom line. And you decided to be a super mega double asshole. So you went right to the head of the ban line.

Congratulations.

ChønklordMar 25, 20171 votes

In Old English yes, those words are another term for "bundle of sticks" -- however, in these instances, you are using them as a derogatory insult. Either way, that term has long since gone out of usage to describe "sticks".

You purchased RP points with your money, and once that transaction occurred, your money was converted into RP and no longer refundable as money, legally. Again, you paid for the right to use the digital content, but once you broke the ToS you forfeited that right.

Whether you agree with the terms or not, is of no consequence, unless you want to try and take Riot to court, and most lawyers wouldn't touch your case whatsoever (since you broke the ToS, not the other way around).

ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

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In Old English yes, those words are another term for "bundle of sticks" -- however, in these instances, you are using them as a derogatory insult. Either way, that term has long since gone out of usage to describe "sticks".

Go look up %%%got in the dictionary. The only definition I knew it as was a bundle of sticks and I always thought it was a funny word. Assuming I knew that it was made to be offensive is an assumption you made. I intended hate speech.

You purchased RP points with your money, and once that transaction occurred, your money was converted into RP and no longer refundable as money, legally. Again, you paid for the right to use the digital content, but once you broke the ToS you forfeited that right.

I spent my money. I gave it to them, I purchased something with it, the money was mine and the purchase using my money grants me access, this is the secondary to losing my account. But still all the while frustrating. It is my money which I spent and regardless of the transactions and things it is still money that was mine which becomes theft no matter how you look at it. How is it not?

Whether you agree with the terms or not, is of no consequence, unless you want to try and take Riot to court, and most lawyers wouldn't touch your case whatsoever (since you broke the ToS, not the other way around).

Hey maybe that's a good idea. Infringing rights and terms that violate amendments and make theft legal and bind you to accept it to play their game thanks for the idea.

ChønklordMar 25, 20172 votes

No one's rights were infringed upon, no amendment was violated. I'm sorry you don't understand how the world works.

I suggest you take up some critical thinking courses and familiarize yourself with logic and reason.

ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

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No one's rights were infringed upon, no amendment was violated. I'm sorry you don't understand how the world works.

The First Amendment is the right to free speech and freedom of the press among the other things which are feeedom of religion and to petition.

I am excersizing two of these rights currently and the freedom of speech regardless of the nature is what was violated. I called people names, albeit rude horrible language, I called people names. And then I got banned. That's a violation of my rights plain and simple where freedom means no bounds or restrictions. Which means bounds placed means that I have been restricted and that the speech isn't free.

I am well aware that the world is corrupt and that the "criminal" justice system and the world is in a pretty sorry state.

I suggest you take up some critical thinking courses and familiarize yourself with logic and reason.

I'd advise you to do the same sir. Everything I've said has been based in logic.

I don't appreciate being harassed. That's hypocritical of you. And I guess it's hypocritical of me to be saying however on that note I'm sorry for my actions...

ChønklordMar 25, 20171 votes

I suggest you read this:

https://net.educause.edu/ir/library/html/cem/cem97/cem9732.html

and this:

http://jezebel.com/5985635/an-idiots-guide-to-free-speech

and this:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse

ChønklordMar 25, 20171 votes

Again, you have freedom of speech, but it does not completely apply in the private sector, such as in this game made by Riot. In League, you abide by their Terms of Service / Summoner's Code of Conduct, or your access to the game and your account can be permanently revoked. It is thoroughly legal, any court will uphold this.

Your "logic" is flawed and is biased toward your own situation.

As someone famous once said, "you are not entitled to your opinion; you are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant".

ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

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I suggest you read this:

https://net.educause.edu/ir/library/html/cem/cem97/cem9732.html

and this:

http://jezebel.com/5985635/an-idiots-guide-to-free-speech

As an American, you have the right to say most anything you want to say without being penalized by the government. As long as you're not inciting crime, spewing out "fighting words" (srsly), making true threats, or sharing obscenity as defined by the Miller test/child porn, you're pretty much good to go. Hate speech is protected pretty strongly here in the U.S. — the landmark SCOTUS Whitney v. California decision determined that "to justify suppression of free speech, there must be reasonable ground to fear that serious evil will result if free speech is practiced" and "there must be reasonable ground to believe that the danger apprehended is imminent." — so congrats, you can call some random person a "Nazi %%%%"

Quote from your article. Businesses in America must uphold the Constitution.

and this:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/

Look my biggest point is why was I perma banned when I know 100% that my friend who used the same exact words and phrases I used got banned for saying the same things, however he got banned for two weeks and I was banned permanently.

How is that fair?

ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

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Again, you have freedom of speech, but it does not completely apply in the private sector, such as in this game made by Riot. In League, you abide by their Terms of Service / Summoner's Code of Conduct, or your access to the game and your account can be permanently revoked. It is thoroughly legal, any court will uphold this.

So you're saying Riot can legally surpass the Constitution?

Your "logic" is flawed and is biased toward your own situation.

As someone famous once said, "you are not entitled to your opinion; you are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ;.

The Constitution stands above anything else. Being in America means that Riot has to abide by its rules. The Constitution. How is that wrong or flawed?

ChønklordMar 25, 20171 votes

Yes, they can legally surpass the First Amendment, where it concerns their property. That means you are subject to Riot's rules and Terms of Service on their website, in their game, in their chat, et al. It's all private property, the same way as if you were to come into my house and say something I didn't like, I have the right to kick you out. Sure, you can literally say what you want, but that doesn't mean you are exempt from the consequences.

In this case, the consequence for you was a permaban.

You may disagree and think it unfair, you may rail and cry and scream and complain and try to 'logic' your way around it, but you're still in the wrong, because at the end of the day, you broke the rules -- rules which you agreed to when you clicked "ACCEPT" on the ToS every time you get a new patch or install the game fresh.

EndlessSorcererMar 25, 20171 votes

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ZirichelMar 25, 20171 votes

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Again please do not harass me. I have made this post to debate my situation and to say sorry for my actions. You doing this and the others posting such things is harassment.

Memes are usually used to make a joke or make fun of someone or something. I don't appreciate being harassed I've expressed my sorrow and wrongdoing admitting my wrongs. I am sorry and I will not do it again. All I want is a second chance.

ChønklordMar 25, 20172 votes

a debate involves two sided discussion; you're criticizing (harassing) anyone who disagrees with you. that is not a debate.

at this point, we've just kind of given up on trying to help you understand.