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The intentional feeding detection system is complete garbage

Thumpin··9 votes·2,494 views

Observe as an ex-pro, season 1 player feeds his ass off on stream. Of course he got banned 25 minutes after this video was posted (https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4j8oq5/therainman_banned_25_minutes_after_the_reddit_post/), but here's the thing: why does a video of this guy feeding have to make it to the front page of reddit before he got banned? For those of you who don't know, Rain Man is the former top laner of TSM from back in season 1 and early season 2. He was known even back then for intentionally feeding, going afk, and other trolling activities on his STREAM. He didn't even need to hide his behaviour but it took him until season 6 to be permabanned, and there's plenty of evidence in the linked threads to show just how much he was trolling even in recent seasons.

I've reported countless players for intentionally feeding in my games, and have recieved maybe 2 notifications of such behavior being punished. Why is that? In my most recent game I had a Tryndamere doing his best Rain Man impression, built nothing but vamp scepters until he had enough gold to upgrade those, constantly went afk, and every time he actually was playing the game he was running straight into the enemy team. Why do I have no faith that I'll receive a notification of his ban? Because he probably wont get banned. He didn't curse, didn't make hate-remarks, in fact he hardly talked at all. But if you take one look at the match history, look at damage dealt, build order, and number of deaths it's incredibly obvious what's going on.

Let me remind you that Tyler1 did not get a real permaban until he became famous thanks to reddit threads. I'm 100% convinced that if he hadn't gotten famous he would never get ban-on-sight status, and I'll say the same for the recent banning of Rain Man.

23 Comments

Jamaree4 votes

Likely because most of the people who intentionally feed don't do it every game, thus don't get banned.

Thumpin1 votes

Then what's the fucking point of automatic detection software if it doesn't work?

Jamaree2 votes

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Then what's the fucking point of automatic detection software if it doesn't work?

It does work, it just doesn't ban people for one game's worth of intentional feeding, I personally think it takes too many, but ONE game shouldn't and can't be enough to punish someone. I don't like intentional feeders as much of the next person, but most people confuse intentional feeders with someone having a bad game. Think about, how often do you see someone go like say 0/9/2 and their allies saying "report XXX champion for intentional feeding."

zSkeletoRz1 votes

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Then what's the fucking point of automatic detection software if it doesn't work?

There is no automatic feeding detection. There is a system where you report people for feeding. After x amount of reports, a Rioter will look at the accounts history, maybe.

There is no automated system to detect your deaths. Accidental or otherwise.

You can make an account and go into normal rift and int feed all game. For hundreds of games. Unless the account is repeatedly reported in a short period of time, nothing will ever be done. Even then you can't expect much to come from it.

The actual system that is in place. It is nearly impossible to tell if someone is just bad or int feeds.

Lycanoon3 votes

Do you know why he got banned? Feeding + Grieving + being a troll.

If he didn't post the video, he more than likely woulda never received the ban.

Drehirth2 votes

isn't that the point of the thread? Pretty much saying that the ingame punishment is garbage, and non famous intentional feeders simply won't be punished because of it

Hethalean2 votes

{quoted}

Let me remind you that Tyler1 did not get a real permaban until he became famous thanks to reddit threads. I'm 100% convinced that if he hadn't gotten famous he would never get ban-on-sight status, and I'll say the same for the recent banning of Rain Man.

Perhaps because having a highly popular streamer being famous for trolling and toxicity sets an extremely bad example and could hurt the games image. Monkey see monkey do.

Thumpin1 votes

See that's the problem. Riot loves to enforce their "no toxic chat" rule, but has historically and currently always been terrible at actually punishing those who ruin other's games with intentional feeding. Every couple weeks there's a thread on reddit about some guy spamming mobi boots/5x zeal Rammus running down midlane for the past 20 games and he's yet to be banned. Looking at the match history of my Tryndamere teammate he has a 16 game losing streak, all with completely terrible builds and KDA, yet he's not going to get banned either because he simply isn't being a mean person.

Hethalean1 votes

Reliable detection is the problem. Everyone loves to say "well just X!" without realizing the technical difficulties of it, or how that isn't a great detection method.

Thumpin3 votes

Technical difficulties isn't a good enough excuse anymore. Riot is no longer a small, humble, indie company and the pro scene isn't hosted in Phreak's basement anymore. Technical limitations is an excuse for everything, from replays to enforcement of the damn game's rules (Summoner's Code). I'm aware that coding/bugfixes can be difficult at times, but if they can't get this shit to work after six seasons then forgive me for losing faith in this company.

Hethalean2 votes

Do you know of another game developed by another company that implemented an intentional feeding algorithm that could serve as a basis for Riot's implementation?

Rand0mH3r0X2 votes

A famous streamer represents the game by playing it. A representation that Riot doesn't want to be associated with. Sort of like kicking out a customer from a restaurant for behavior (or more commonly spRace).

LC Nightrider2 votes

The amount of misinformation is ridiculous nowadays, people claiming they know how the report system works, and leaverbuster, or whatever kind of countermeasure we have nowadays:

Let me make it real clear for everyone to be able to understand.

You will never, ever, ever, truly know how their systems function... EVER!

Besides, we don't have an automatic system to detect feeders. Even saying there is one, sounds extremely ridiculous... To be fair with you, if there were such a system, everyone who is bronze, and silver, that will never get beyond gold, would be banned.

This is not a matter of if they are, but when they are. Because you can have, really, really bad games, where people will not surrender, even in a 60 minute game, where you juggle back and forth... You know you lost man, just, surrender and join matchup for another one...

Lycanoon1 votes

There's a lot wrong with the system right now anyway.

Dodgers don't get banned at all for repeat offenses...and this ALWAYS happens during Rotations... A co-worker of mine is a frequent dodger...and he's yet to be banned.

Drehirth1 votes

wait what you mean from queue select? Is the increasing timer/lp loss not enough? does it really deserve a ban?

Lycanoon1 votes

I've gone 15 matches in a row during OFA and URF with dodgers... it's irritating, and annoying...especially when trying to get a ranked match going too

Drehirth2 votes

doesn't mean it should be bannable.. a lot of times its a very good idea to just dodge a game you're sure will end poorly. Less headache, less lp loss, and even recommended by some streamers openly.. so..not bannable

Lycanoon1 votes

Recommended by streamers to dodge matches? Do you know what you are implying here? Your basically saying its kosher for people to skip out on matches because they got butt-hurt over their champ being banned or no one would listen to them when they DEMAND/TELL the team what champs to play.

Screw that! If you dodge, you should be heavily penalized for it! Dodging = AFK/Leaving the match. what happens when you AFK or leave a match? Hmmmm?!?!

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Drehirth1 votes

Ok, it's cool that you don't think it's ok to dodge. Doesn't mean it actually isn't ok to dodge. It's legit not against the rules, and not even comparable to afking or leaving a match. Afking ruins the game for anybody in it, not only is it not fun, but you give your team a free loss. Dodging doesn't do that... it just doesn't.

Also here is a video explaining why it's not only okay, but can help you climb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Ji2SjgVSA

NoDaddyItHurts1 votes

Boohoo, you have to wait like 2 more minutes after somebody dodged, he should definitely be permabanned for stealing your time

The Deckowner1 votes

when my teammate picks galio mid yorick top urgot adc and enemy has malzahar kindred fiddlestick I AM DODGING THAT SHIT

Çhåryzård1 votes

Not getting the 'so and so has been punished message' more does not mean it isn't working. You only get that message if you are the person to get them punished. Like, your report is the final report.

However, I would like this changed. Hearing more that someone was punished would give me more faith, even if I wasn't the final report I still contributed and would like to know that they were eventually punished. Reporting and then never hearing anything is kinda annoying, especially if the reported was really bad. You just kinda report and then never know if the person got what they deserved or not

JesusShouldofGAd1 votes

there is no system for intentionally feeding the system is designed based on continuous reports of similar things....so if you get reported multiple games for the same thing...and tribunal reviews the game..you get that ban....the only automated system i see is the afk system which auto punishes you.

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