Can we remove the "Hate Speech" category?

xtea·4/18/2017, 12:21:19 PM·7 votes·1,874 views

The "Verbal Abuse" option serves the function adequately without the need to add a special sub-term, and it is enough to keep the more sensitive players content. The option reads as: Racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. The last part - the etc. - is quite vague, and sets a dangerous precedent when players are banned for hate speech even though they have never disparaged specific races or sexes, or possessed a fear of the same.

Since this is purely up to the choice of the corporation, I can only strongly suggest that they either entirely remove this arbitrary category or more succinctly clarify what it actually entails, though the former would be preferred. My argument is not only that it is covered under verbal abuse, but it further limits friendly interaction between players. Many words that are bannable under this category have been used by gamers for many years, and talking "sh*t", as it were, is a great gaming pastime as well as a mechanism by which players bond. And although the term implies that people who use these pejoratives are hateful, you will find the opposite to be true more often than not.

Just a thought. Discussion is encouraged. :)

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RallerenP4/18/2017, 12:39:07 PM13 votes

I've always seen the hate speech and verbal abuse as this:

Hate speech is toxicity towards some persons character - who they are as a person, something they can't change, and choices they have made. This is 150% unacceptable and should be punished harder than verbal abuse.

Verbal abuse is toxicity towards how people play. Calling people garbage and such. Generally being negative. Not as serious as hate speech. Still not acceptable, but less hard than hate speech because you can easily avoid this one.

When you report someone it's because they ruined your experience (except if you report someone falsely of course), and as such they should be punished. You don't get hurt by being unable to say specific offensive things, but other may get hurt if we allow it. Remember gaming is and should be for everyone and while others may see this as censorship, I see this as a way to help those already oppressed by real life. The system is not 100% effective but we strive for it, and it gets better everyday.

EDIT - To clarify I don't mean that everyone who uses hate speech is hateful, I often do it in private with my friends, whom I know won't get hurt by my words, in a joking manner. But I don't know who sees my messages when they are public and such take precautions to not cause unnecessary harm to others.

yukumari4/18/2017, 1:09:45 PM10 votes

There's a big difference between calling someone "fucking garbage who needs to uninstal" and "a fucking "n!**er monkey who needs to go back to africa"

The first one is rude trash talk The second one is racist.

I think the punishment should be different accordingly.

AeroWaffle4/18/2017, 1:03:33 PM3 votes

The way I see it;

Verbal abuse is insults and/or harrassment towards a specific person;

"Wow, uninstall the game please" "Go to hell, you probably got this account boosted".

and so on.

While Hate speech is reserved for just any form of bigotry, not necessarily directed at anyone in the game.

"I fucking hate <racial slur here>" "Sent them running like <other racial slur here with an insulting stereotype>"

and so on.

Yes, you're likely to see verbal abuse if someone is ill-tempered enough to spout hate-speech, but it is different things.

As for this;

Many words that are bannable under this category have been used by gamers for many years, and talking "sh*t", as it were, is a great gaming pastime as well as a mechanism by which players bond. And although the term implies that people who use these pejoratives are hateful, you will find the opposite to be true more often than not.

You don't know these people. You don't know if they find <racial slur X> incredibly offensive. That's the sort of thing that you should avoid until you know that they're comfortable with it (like when it's only between friends).

And the internet was (and often continues to be) an example of how poor many people behave once they don't risk losing their job or being punched in the face. I for one embrace every movement towards raising the expectations of internet behavior towards real-life conversation.

scazzman4/18/2017, 1:31:56 PM2 votes

in all honesty. the only thing that makes something "right" or "wrong" is simply how many people agree with you. if enough people thought rape and murder were okay, it would become so