Why is everyone so soft?

H00KIE·11/26/2019, 6:17:20 PM·4 votes·2,532 views

I don't get it, this game flexes the fact that it has a mute/block function to use against players being mean or annoying, yet you get banned if you talk smack? Why? That didn't slide on games 10 years ago, but now punishing people for being big meanies is a bannable offense lol.

People should be allowed to talk smack, since there is a mute function. You should only be banned if you're inting/disrupting actual gameplay, not just for talking to people. That just me?

32 Comments

Timethief4911/26/2019, 6:23:26 PM20 votes

Why is every toxic player so soft and cant take a punishment like a real man? All those snowflakes cant stand proper punishment anymore!

Imperial Pandaa11/26/2019, 6:27:22 PM14 votes

That is a side effect of being a flesh based carbon lifeform. Being squishy is part of the nature, even those ripping with muscles have soft spots.

Even back in the Tribunal days, people would get punishments. The different between tribunal days and now is the speed and efficiency. Another bit to note, the only people you should be talking "smack" to is the enemy. Even then, there are limits to what is considered friendly/competitive BM and just being an ass.

Jimmy Rustles11/26/2019, 6:35:52 PM6 votes

Big difference between a bit of smack talk, and just being a dick or harassing someone

So chances are you're #2 instead

ModWulf Helhammer11/26/2019, 6:19:24 PM5 votes

Muting someone is to try and salvage a game already ruined by toxicity.

Chat restrictions and bans are to help make it so that no future games are ruined by toxicity.

ModPrandine11/26/2019, 7:41:43 PM5 votes

The mute button, while people should use it when need be, is meant to be a band-aid solution at most and not a get out of jail free card. That aside the sensitivity argument I've found is often use by those who don't like being held accountable for their behavior and would rather everyone else deal with it rather than changing their own poor behavior. As for smack talking, even in pro sports it has limits, and if you cross that line such as with racial slurs, death threats and continuous toxicity then you can expect to be punished since "it's smack talk" is not a catch-all excuse. Why? Because at that point you're not trash talking, but talking like trash. From Riot Tantram:

People might be used to feeling powerful behind a computer monitor where people don't know who they are, but that's not how we look at things.

if you were playing a game of basketball, and told someone to go kill themselves because you were frustrated about losing, you'd be penalized. Would you be punched in the face for telling someone at the bar to go kill themselves? Probably.

It's not 'PC'. It doesn't take 'testicles' to hide behind a monitor and tell someone to kill themselves or call them a racial slur. In fact, I'd say it's quite the opposite.

From Ulanopo’s Knowledge Base:

People who report are simply being oversensitive. The mute button exists for a reason.”

Let’s start with the Riot quote on this (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30696571#post30696571)):

Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

Simply put, Riot says no. You can scream and cry all you want, but it is their house and their rules.

With that out of the way, I think the topic deserves some further discussion. The theory is that, if people resolved to care less, then they would be happier. I often refer to this as ”Argument from Stoicism” and I think it is a fairly weak philosophy because it places the burden on the person being expected to endure the behavior rather than the person exhibiting the behavior. “You should be able to handle it” is just a flimsy excuse for being a bully or a jerk. I have to be the bigger man so that you can do whatever you want? That hardly seems fair.

There is also the issue of how I spend my limited free time. Like most people, I am constantly required to make value judgments between the different forms of entertainment that are available to me and, let's be honest, we live in an age of nearly limitless entertainment options. If I'm having a bad day in League, I can just fire up Steam and play a whole bunch of games that don't require me to put up with someone's BS.

This is not an issue of weakness or thin-skin; it's a question of choosing activities that don't leave me feeling frustrated and angry. Too many of those experiences and I'll just find something else to do. Riot knows this.

Bottom line: Times are changing, and more and more people are deciding that poor behavior online is not acceptable & are cracking down on it, arguably more so than in the early days of online gaming. You can either accept that and adjust your behavior or you can act like everyone else is to blame and suffer the consequences for it. To quote Jo0o:

If I’m supposed to ignore what you say to me, why are you talking to me in the first place? That means your chat use is either spam or a temper tantrum, neither of which should be acceptable.

Tele II11/26/2019, 10:42:46 PM4 votes

I dont think its so much that everyone is soft, though of course some people are. I think its more that people are easily annoyed by petty bullshit in their games. Like I've never had my feelings personally hurt in a game, but I've reported plenty of people for being annoying little shits.

rujitra11/26/2019, 6:44:08 PM4 votes

Talking smack is allowed. That's things like "lol nice bot lane" to the enemy. Or saying something like "lol nice flash" to your teammate who fucked up and used it randomly accidentally.

Being an asshole to a teammate is not "smack talk" - it's flaming and unsportsmanlike behavior. Period.

Ozzie Storm11/26/2019, 8:35:48 PM3 votes

Because calling people names and using "edgy" vocabulary is how you define manliness? You calling people pussies for not being ok with foul language shows your ideology of "i can say what i want online who cares" and your disregard that there's another person behind the other side of the screen.

Don't care about ethics and morals? Then i'll get technical: the TOS of league is what it is, it's the rules and you have to play by the book. Ofc you're free to say whatever but cross the line and be prepared for the consequences.

You're acting like someone who wants to go nude on a non nudist beach. Wanna go nude (talk shit) go somewhere that allows it otherwise shut it.

BeatzBoyFTW11/27/2019, 4:29:50 AM3 votes

Why is everyone so soft?

Says the guy that can't just shut up & play the game instead of being a dick.

Nightsky Pirate11/27/2019, 7:14:31 PM1 votes

You're talking to a horde of people who come to these boards to clap at the sacrifices. They didn't come to listen to reason, though they (most of them) are on the lookout for those who, per the current rules, deserve redemption.

They're truly a shame.