Asking you to report someone toxic is not in itself toxic....

TendajiX·Dec 17, 2015·3 votes·1,628 views

I was called toxic for asking the enemy to report my toxic teammates when I did nothing wrong. Asking you to report toxic people is not in itself toxic....

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25 Comments

Deep Terror NamiDec 17, 20159 votes

You can say that all you like, but that isn't true for everyone. You can decide what offends you, but you can't decide what other people are offended by.

Trying to coerce others into reporting players is both harassment and entirely unnecessary. The system only needs 1 report to check a player's match, and it's not going to check any harder for having more reports.

Leave it up to the other players to decide if they think something should be reported or not.

SanctusEquitem86Sep 8, 2016

^ this is actually not accurate, first it is not harassment no coercion it is bringing awareness to someone trolling or flaming. Second if it offends them that they are getting reported or having someone asks for reports on them then perhaps they should consider their actions and the consequences of them. Third while you are correct that 1 report will have an automated review of the players match, an account with multiple reports in one game or cumulative reports is actually put forward for a manual review, this is where and how players get a perma ban.

Deep Terror NamiSep 8, 20162 votes

Your first two points are assuming that the player you are calling out is guilty, and that someone else's negative behavior justifies your own; the former is irrelevant, and the latter is a harmful mindset that is not shared by Riot or the majority of the community. Even if their guilt is a relevant factor, calling them out does not improve your report weight, and more often exacerbates the negative environment than fixes anything (it basically never helps).

As for getting multiple reports to get a manual review; where in the world did you hear this? No, Riot does not go manually reviewing all the cases that get lots of reports. The system handles them the same as any other, and will issue punishments all the way up to and including permabans. Riot does manual reviews for fringe cases, and randomly to ensure system accuracy.

SanctusEquitem86Sep 8, 20161 votes

This is in accurate as I clearly pointed out in the previous post. I forgot how much of a fan boy you are for Riot you are that you can't see truth, as such no point in trying to help you see the truth here so I will be done with this conversation and not returning. Enjoy your day.

IcyPepperDec 17, 20154 votes

Did you know that one report in one game weighs the same as nine reports in one game?

It's not the number of reports in one game that matters, it's how many games overall you get reported in.

There's no point whatsoever in asking people to report someone. No point. At all. Period. Riot confirmed. Discussion over.

But is it toxic? No idea, but it's absolutely pointless and probably safer if you just don't do it.

TendajiXDec 18, 20151 votes

I didn't know that additional reports held no weight (even though they probably should). Sorry.

IcyPepperDec 18, 20151 votes

It's all good.

Just stay strong and game on, okay?

AJStarhikerDec 18, 20151 votes

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I didn't know that additional reports held no weight (even though they probably should). Sorry.

No, actually, they shouldn't. By making it 1=9, it protects solo players from premades and mob reporting, as well as give them a voice when it happens.

SanctusEquitem86Sep 8, 20161 votes

Actually this ^ isn't true, all reports are reviewed but multiple reports or cumulative reports triggers a manual review of games including game play itself. So they don't really weigh the same.

IcyPepperSep 8, 20164 votes

Here's a citation where a Rioter speaks about it.

SanctusEquitem86Sep 8, 20161 votes

what a rioter says is not necessarily true, my buddy has had it proven in an email that said due to multiple reports of toxicity in a game you have had a manual review and discussion over. Drops the mic never to return to this comment.

IcyPepperSep 8, 20161 votes

You know, I think I'm going to trust the word of someone who works on this game over a random anecdote where you didn't even supply the evidence in the first place.

Notices the mic was fake all along and realizes Sanctus isn't going to return because he doesn't actually have a proper argument.

ZielmannDec 17, 20153 votes

What does it accomplish?

alasarcherDec 17, 20152 votes

Yes it is, since report should be personal decision and not influenced by others.

MUSHROOM MIDGETSep 8, 20162 votes

100% toxic. you are attacking your teammates and forcing them to defend themselves if they dont want more reports.

SanctusEquitem86Sep 8, 20161 votes

Perhaps they shouldn't troll/flame then they wouldn't be in that position.

GaleWinUnleashedSep 8, 20162 votes

Perhaps it wouldn't be if there were any benefit to asking for reports. As of right now, however, asking that can only make things worse; you're going to report the person yourself, and that is already enough to flag the game against that player (provided of course that the report turns out to be valid).

Toxicity is much less how you intend something and much more how it's interpreted. This being text chat (and the Internet), it is going to be seen and interpreted in the worst possible light. It's quite easy to interpret a request for reports as harassment against the player in question.

At the very least, asking someone else to report someone is not going to improve the game, nor increase the severity of any punishment that may be meted out. Simply report the person yourself and move on.

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SanctusEquitem86Sep 8, 20161 votes

Not entirely true I have asked for reports on trolls and got extra reports, also though all reports warrant review more reports = manual reviews of players, so asking for reports on toxic players and trolls actually can better our community.

GaleWinUnleashedSep 8, 20162 votes

We really need a definitive statement on this from Riot. Bits and pieces they've said imply heavily that multiple reports are entirely redundant, but I can't recall seeing anything that 100% confirms this yet.

SanctusEquitem86Sep 8, 20161 votes

I agree with you, and while they say that I have seen my friends email where it says other wise that multiple reports from a game has triggered a manual review. I'll see if he still has the email so I can post it here.

Ice Weasel XDec 17, 20151 votes

Here's the issue with asking people to report others. Unless you have personally witnessed an infraction, you should never report someone. The person asking for the report could easily be lying. You don't know if you didn't witness the incident. By the same logic, other people can never know whether you are telling the truth if it's just your word.

Is it toxic? It certainly can be. You claim it's not, but the term toxicity is applied to things that create, maintain, or exacerbate an unpleasant environment. Publicly asking for someone to be reported does exactly that, as it instigates the target into retaliating. If they were already guilty, then they could make things worse for you. If the other players didn't notice any misbehavior and the target acts innocent, you could look like the bully. Or he could just ramp up the hostility, which could end in a thrown game if you're not in post-game chat. If the person is innocent, you immediately drag other people into it who weren't involved. People believing the accuser could end up reporting someone falsely, lowering their own report weights so that future attempts to report someone are less likely to trigger a response.

Riot has said time and again never to report unless you personally have witnessed wrongdoing, and never to request others to report people. It's hostile. It's unnecessary due to the way the report system works. It results in weakening the voice of those reporting falsely. It's reportable in itself. Riot has posted logs of banned players, and pointed out that they were threatening others with reports. Those report threats were part of the punishment justification.

Original DDSep 8, 20162 votes

I know this is an old post but i wanted to throw in my two cents, some times just the threat of being reported can change some ones behavior. I tend to tell the person if they keep it up I am going to report them but by this logic i should not even give them a warning. It seems that you are saying that by giving them a heads up that they are being toxic that i am being toxic and That i should be reported. So in the end it makes it sound like I should just keep the warning to myself and just report them is that something that sounds right to you?

MUSHROOM MIDGETSep 8, 20161 votes

you think threatening someone or promising that you are going to report them is going to have a positive effect on their behavior? if someone says they are going to report me then i always say 'well then why would i help you win?' and troll the rest of the game.

threatening me with the possibility of getting reported does not have a much better effect.

Original DDSep 8, 20161 votes

Yes i think it works if you do it right make sure they understand that you aren't going to report them if they quit what they are doing you do realize that the whole reporting thing is a threat right some times you just have to remind people that they can be reported

NieveiraNov 18, 20171 votes

True. I asked my team and enemy team to report a lvl 3 yasuo for feeding and leaving lane to jg when he didnt get top and autolocked, thus taking his anger out on the garen top and me, his support. He said he wanted a solo lane, but all other options were taken and I own no top lane champions. I promised not to ks, and as he constantly dived with half health and my shields were on cooldown, he called me a scripted braindead 7 year old guy. I retorted with the fact I am in all ap courses, I'm 16, and I'ma girl, and he said it was no wonder why i was so braindead and called me a "feminist sht". I asked enemy and ally to report him for such toxicity, feeding, sexism and slander and thereby called me toxic for asking for others to report. Not the best game, honestly..[zombie-brand-facepalm]*