I am Toxic, but I want to Improve Honestly

KingCharleyIII·2/4/2020, 2:48:04 PM·11 votes·7,843 views

I posted recently thinking that my chat wasn’t toxic (some of you may have seen it, I deleted it because of embarrassed I am from it).

I was shown how toxic I am and it makes me sincerely want to improve. I saw those 6 or so panels about the summoners code, but that is not enough because I honestly felt I was following them.

It’s hard for me to find a balance between telling my teammates how to improve and what we should do and telling them that they are wrong. I can come off a little harsh when I tell them something that went wrong. I thought I was getting better at it, but I’m not.

Please I want to improve, I don’t want to end up banned. I’m not a bad person, just extremely competitive.

This is not a troll post so I was appreciate non-troll responses.

21 Comments

Kei1432/4/2020, 3:18:29 PM4 votes

There are small micro things you can teach and people can apply in game easily, like how to abuse CDs, use defensive shields during specific clutch timings, lvl2 power spike all ins, or how to target in team fights, maybe even how to last hit under tower.

Don't expect people to learn the more difficult things like zoning, wave control and macro rotation methods / reasoning in a heated game. You can try to float the concept around to see if they can learn it, but don't expect them to do so.

It's ok for people to be wrong, we aren't perfect. The next step is to plan and prepare against that set back you had, and you can improve by learning from the past mistakes or playing better in the future and how do you make the best of the current situation.

Btw, it is possible that you can be at fault even though you thought your teammates were at fault.

Let's say that Zilean is shoving your wave, and you disagree with that action. But dragon is up, your jgler is around and at decent health, you have a pretty decent wave and the enemy stuck at wave clearing. Shoving and getting dragon could have been the right call. If you didn't see that macro, it might be your fault instead, and yet you blame others for it.

Eitherway, there isn't one way to play the game. The game is fluid and is changing every second, people need to make decisions on the fly whether it's a macro or micro decision.

Someone who can be good in laning phase may suck at macro and vice versa. Some people panic when getting ganked and blow everything incorrectly while some can stay calm and defensively 1v3 under tower. Some might be great at landing skill shots but don't know how to zone. Some are great at leading, some are great followers. People in silver2 are bad in general, but they can be good at a few things. Your goal is to find what people are good at and play around that.

If you want comebacks, look for the person with the best macro in the mid game and play around that. Observe how they rotate and how they react to people's positioning (teammates or enemies) on the mini map. People whom mindlessly push don't have the best macro, but if you see someone split pushing but then backing off (or even just hiding in a safe spot) when they don't know where all the enemies are at, then you know that person has good map awareness and good macro.

You don't always need to follow that good macro guy around. Providing if you can give him information on where the enemies are (or where the enemies are not), then he can make the macro decision on what to do. You can push a lane and have pressure elsewhere to keep him safe, you can blue trinket to give him vision (even better, blue trinket in an open field, so the enemy would hit the trinket while rotating and wasting time, giving your split pusher more time to back off).

And yes, my strength is in my mid game macro, and I suck at the micro stuff like landing skill shots and team fights. Mid game macro is a fun game if you know what to look for. Don't go giving up just because laning phase didn't go well.

GatekeeperTDS2/4/2020, 3:17:32 PM3 votes

I've given this advice on these boards before, but here's something that might work for you. It's going to sound strange, but think about it for a minute.

BE MORE SELFISH.

Before you say or do things in game, weigh whether those words or actions are going to get you closer to a win or closer to a loss. Flaming, berating, or insulting teammates will never, ever, EVER get you closer to a win and will always push you closer to a loss. If you make a FRIENDLY suggestion to someone ("Hey, maybe we should push bot tower now") and they respond like an asshole, cease communication with that person. Nothing you say or do is going to get through to them. Be selfish. Think about your wins and your account.

Additionally, be accepting of losses. They are going to happen nearly 50% of the time, and it's rarely one single person's fault. Ultimately, if you lose it was because the enemy team was better (or less bad) than your team. You only need to win slightly over 50% of your games to climb, and if you find you're not climbing, you need to change what you're doing, not expect the same thing to work forever. That means new champions, builds, roles, and strategies.

Humb1e Rumb1e2/4/2020, 2:52:14 PM3 votes

Can't change something? Don't bother with it. You probably won't ever change your teammates minds, focus on what you can change, yourself.

CharDeeMcDenniz2/4/2020, 3:00:53 PM3 votes

when typing in chat, before you press enter to send it, ask yourself

does this help my team win the game?

if no, delete it

if you try to give someone advice and they dont heed it, leave it be.

simple as that

SuperJoker4292/4/2020, 6:04:48 PM2 votes

You're already done with step one by identifying that you're "toxic". A lot of people don't play league or just quit after a while because of teammates not being super encouraging during match.

I know. I was one of those who left.

Quite literally just starting out in season 5 and people were screaming at me in bot matches.

But then I came back and while I found that there were still some toxic people, very few try to fix their ways. I applaud you for taking that extra step in trying to make the game more enjoyable for others. That already puts you above a certain percentile of LoL players.

All that I can say is this: Put yourself in the other person's shoes.

We can all relate when there's that annoying Aartox in top or a Shaco that you just cant skill shot and they get fed and kick your ass and get fed and kick your ass some more. While people are angrily typing about how trash the teammate is, that teammate is trying to come back for the team, whether they really want to win and to turn the fight around, or they try to make an effort to make some type of difference in order to prevent getting reported (as some people will report another player after just one bad game). Then you have those ones who just give up but those guys aren't good sports.

You'd have to take in consideration of some other factors. (I'm mainly speaking from experience bc I was faced with super super toxicity when I first started playing)

  1. They could've practiced with a certain champ in bots and go to PvP, expecting the fight to go one way, but end up getting beat by someone who has been maining a champ for years.

  2. They really don't know how runes work, or exactly what to buy in the store and what items work best with their champ.

  3. They don't know what certain things mean, i.e. pings, inting/feeding, kiting, ganking, alpha, wave rotation, etc.

  4. They didn't have a good "teacher" to teach them tactics on the game or watched pros play bc some think that you can just wing League.

Overall, just be a good samaritan and rather than attacking people, tell them what they did wrong.

I'm one of the players that teaches the game to new players and tell them what went wrong and how to improve. Try being a teacher, it might help curb your toxicity. This works out in your favor too because if you teach someone well, then that's someone that you can rely on and bring them into the rift as a teammate.

Another way is to join a discord community. People that play league together, no matter your rank or experience.

But, there is a big thing that you can't do while trying to fix your attitude toward league: If someone is being toxic and you notice it, ignore it or try to defuse it, but DO NOT EGG THE OTHER TOXIC PEOPLE, because that's a fast way to bring up old ways.

Again, as an inexperienced player who faced a ton of toxicity years ago, thank you for trying to change your attitude in consideration to new or unlucky players.

DEMACIA

[garen-swing]

IVSakenz2/4/2020, 3:14:30 PM2 votes

I feel like it is about your headspace when going into a match...what I have had to do is basically expect someone on my team to be horrible..That way when it happens, it does not push my buttons as much..

and when I try to explain what the team should be doing.. I will frame it in a question, so I do not come off as a know it all ..

for example: I will say something like.. "Hey guys, I see your having a hard match bot..but we really need this dragon if we want to try and turn it around".." can you play under your turret for a couple minutes till I get there to try and draw the other team in and I will gank so we can try to get it.?"

Or: Hey guys.. they are eating us up when we are not grouped, do you think we should try to force some team fights?

just as a couple of examples.. if you phrase what your saying in a question. It comes off less confrontational..

Hope this helps in some way

Troll Slaiyer2/4/2020, 6:30:38 PM2 votes

i suggest spam pinging them . talking can get u in trouble.

Nightsky Pirate2/4/2020, 9:14:02 PM2 votes

Do not think the rules are a good code for overall good behavior. They're a code of League of Legends conduct, and it's made for League's benefit, not yours. Unfortunately, seeking advice on how to behave is like asking what seasoning to use to make wings better. There's all different kinds for different people, but what works for you requires that we know you. I suspect the brief self-analysis isn't entirely on point. Despite that, I'll toss what works for me: light hearted positivity. I also used to give unsolicited advice.

  • Pregame lobby, I'll try to be friendly. At the start of a match, I'll throw out a joke, usually making fun of an enemy champion (not the player).
  • Ask for the team or a team member to do something if you feel it's important; leave it at that, do not explain why, not even "because Yasuo."
  • Don't argue with anyone, let alone disagree. Literally, don't even say "no".
  • Forget about helping people improve or giving advice, unless they specifically ask for it from you. On that, ask for advice.
  • Ask what the team should be doing, don't tell them. Don't EVER tell anyone what to do unless they ask.
  • That's what pings are for. Ping once or twice (or four for dragon) and if they don't respond to it, let it go.
  • Impose a 1 chat per 3 minute rule on yourself. Keep it to something useful.
Elite4Runner2/4/2020, 3:00:53 PM2 votes

Let go of the responsibility of improving your teammates.

Focus only on improving the situation. What can be done to counter the mistakes that have been made?

You can look at this from the perspective that you CAN NOT control your teammates, so focus only on what is best for YOU to do.

BlackEyesBlue2/5/2020, 4:30:43 PM1 votes

Eh, I've had 13 chat bans, haven't acted any different, and I'm almost back to honour 2.

Rito's idea of toxicity is a lame joke. It's all about chat. Feeders, trolls, smurfs and afk's are rarely punished; Yet one game of losing your temper and talking smack to someone can drop you to lvl 0 and give you a chat ban. It's pathetic really, that in a game where muting exists, hurt feelings are the high crime...

Magical Poop2/4/2020, 2:57:31 PM1 votes

don't tell them how to improve honestly (you may be wrong or they may think that you think they are r%%%%%ed also they propably know their mistakes but can't find solution or it's just tilting them more importantly that they will for sure take it as an insult because you all play league of legends and you know how that community looks like at least in ranked) sometimes wait till you write something to coll down or write in chat but don't press enter if you know that they won't listen or will even flame you just let them play their game except like say when enemy is mid or smth. ALSO YOU HAVE TO ACKNOLADGE THAT FLAMING WON"T HELP YOU OR THEM if you are really stressed flustrated or something go alt tab and write some shit on chrome or somewhere else or just screamsome curseword like a r%%%%% if it's necresary. sorry for grammar but i don't care also it's not my primary language

CharDeeMcDenniz2/4/2020, 2:59:10 PM1 votes

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Ph03n1xb1rd2/4/2020, 4:35:08 PM1 votes

SImply do not use the chat for anything else than dragon/baron/splitpush etc calls. Or do not use it at all.

Tele II2/5/2020, 12:50:22 AM1 votes

Just allow yourself ONE negative line that doesnt containt an insult. It can be snarky, sarcastic, but not a direct insult like calling someone bad. More like "god dammit stop feeding" or something (idk i cant imagine, because i dont care about people's skill in a video game, and I know theres nothing i can say to magically make them play better, so idk what you type of people would say lol). Then whatever response comes from that, DONT participate. Dont dig in. Just drop it. Let em know how you feel, and then just dont respond or say anything else negative throughout the game. Dont even explain yourself. Allowing yourself one line may be a bridge to eventually having no lines of negativity. And one line that isnt followed by arguing, isnt going to get you punished. Its the arguing that follows that gets people. They dont just drop it and focus on the game.

Pombagira2/5/2020, 8:32:15 AM1 votes

Simply do not type negative ill-intented responses, or responses that could spark an argument that is not related to the game. Example: (ill-intented response) Damn our lb sucks major dick - Good job feeding their top laner Renekton - Hope your mom gets hurt in a car wreck - Are these players bots? (non-related game argument) Example: Taric has it ever occurred to you WHY you're stuck in bronze? - Their Yas has 1.3 mil mastery and is still playing with silvers... hmm... - Gg we lose our bot sucks

Basically any type of flame is bad. And when making a objective call, do so nicely or sternly but NEVER insultingliy. You can say the situation of the game sucks but don't say the players suck, even indirectly. Even if they suck too.

Don't grief. Don't say "gg go next" or anything related to giving up publicly. Just spam the ff-vote off cd because silence is golden and you can't get in trouble for wanting to surrender. You can question about the game's current state such as: "tbh i don't know how we can win this" or "how can we win this?"

If someone flames you, simply report them and do not respond. No matter how much you wanna verbually strangle the other guy just don't do it. Your account is more important than the jackass being a jackass. Don't let the jackass win because he WANTS to see you banned. Don't give in to what he wants!

Hope these helped. Good luck!

WoollyWitch2/5/2020, 12:30:02 PM1 votes

I'm a non toxic person who's never had a punishment in league. I could help you learn the ways of the cool headed. If you're on NA, friend me and I'll bring you on some games and teach you how I stay calm even when I'm pissed.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

KFCeytron2/5/2020, 12:58:59 PM1 votes
  1. Ask yourself if what you're about to say will help you win, and if it's unlikely to annoy anyone. If it's both constructive and friendly (or at least neutral), it's fine. If it's not helping, don't bother saying it.
  2. You're not the boss of the team. If you want someone to do something, don't try ordering them. Ask and suggest, maybe with an explanation ("can you ward tribush? noc mia").