Leaver Buster

UnknowRival·Dec 17, 2016·1 votes·820 views

Ok, I'm in full support of the Leaver Buster. The only problem I have with it is that the severity of the timer doesn't go down. I genuinely had to use the restroom, and my team that was on a Blind Pick mode decided to remake and I got a 20 minute timer. 20 minutes is okay with me if it's for someone who leaves games constantly. I had played well over 10-15 complete games and the severity of the timer doesn't go down? Really Riot? I'm okay with a punishment, but not a 20 minutes of just for the simplest of reasons. It honestly makes me not want to play League cause I can't play with friends cause they're impatient and don't want to wait 20+ minutes for a match. It discourages me from playing at all really.

17 Comments

Deep Terror NamiDec 17, 20167 votes

It does go down, but leaving every 10-15 games is still way too much.

I'm okay with a punishment, but not a 20 minutes of just for the simplest of reasons.

You might think your leaving is not a big deal, but you are causing a lot of problems for the rest of the players that have to put up with your absence; I'm sure you've experienced the frustration of a 4v5 when you're trying to enjoy a match. You need to be a little more responsible and use the bathroom before you start a match, that shouldn't need to be said if you're old enough to play.

It discourages me from playing at all really.

For people that leave games frequently and don't see it as an issue, that is the point.

UnknowRivalDec 17, 20161 votes

The thing was it was a party that I MADE. I notified them of my absence. You said it does go down, but to no avail has it gone down. I'm thinking about counting the amount of games I've completed to prove my point. I personally think the Leaver Buster system is broken. I've accumulated a number of games where disconnecting was out of my control and that's how I've reached 20 minutes. You say leaving a game every 10-15 games is WAY too much? So, with games lasting an average of 25-30 minutes each, and the minimum being 10 games, you're saying that 250 minutes of my time MINIMUM, isn't enough for you? I'd really care for you to rethink that. I've had games take 60 minutes as well. The fact you're telling me that one absence in a match that progressed only a few minutes in, and my teammates were informed of my absence, is too much? Really now?

Deep Terror NamiDec 17, 20165 votes

Just because you made the party and informed them of your absence doesn't mean it'd be okay with them, and there are still more people in the match affected; the opponent. Just because they have a numbers advantage doesn't mean they enjoy it, and they will still frequently report an enemy afk because they understand the frustration and don't want it happening to them.

And yes, one leave every 10-15 games is way too much. That you think it's ok is why you have a 20 minute penalty, and that I don't ever get one even when I do have issues is because I don't make it a habit. You're free to think it's ok, but you'll have to deal with the consequences.

And seriously, use the damn bathroom when you need to go, not when it's unbearable.

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752714-LeaverBuster-FAQ

UnknowRivalDec 17, 20161 votes

Oh really? But where did I say that it was unbearable? I simply had to go to the bathroom and that was that. MY teammates were fine with it, my opponents, well they didn't even have enough time to know that I was gone. The fact that you think one leave, which really was more of a remake, in over FOUR fucking hours of my time is simply unbelievable. Oh and the fact that I was gone for about 3 minutes as well is too much? Really? You think I have a habit of having power outages or problems with my ISP and the fact that the internet for a few blocks was down? The times I have left games were from reasons that were out of my control. You sir need to take the stick out of your ass and widen your POV. You're too narrow minded, oh and please don't assUme, cause it makes an ass out of you and me. More you than me though.

Deep Terror NamiDec 17, 20164 votes

You need to calm down sir.

UnknowRivalDec 17, 20161 votes

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You need to calm down sir.

You need to come up with better responses, as they are mediocre at best.

Kitty Cat ToshaDec 17, 20161 votes

if they were okay with it... why did they remake the game?

UnknowRivalDec 17, 20161 votes

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if they were okay with it... why did they remake the game?

That I cannot answer. When I approached them and asked why they remade the game, they replied with the simple "idk". This leaves me to wonder if the actually knew what remake was, seeing how I've ran across multiple people who don't know what remake is.

Kitty Cat ToshaDec 17, 20161 votes

could be. But a rework always triggers the leaverbuster system. So I guess in this case, you will have to explain a few things to your friends.

ZombiemasterDec 17, 20165 votes

Okay, I'm going to try and explain what's going on and why. I'm going to address more of the major points/issues you're talking about, so this will likely be a long post.

Let's start with why you have the 20 minute LPQ punishment. To begin with, in order to reach the 20 minute LPQ you have to first leave enough games to receive the 5 and 10 minute LPQ punishments, and then leave enough to receive a third punishment, which is the 20 minute one. So, knowing that you have a 20 minute LPQ shows that you have left quite a bit of games in the past. You didn't get it just for this one particular leave, but this one plus all of the others you have had in the past. That's how the punishments work. Also, the reason why remakes count as left games towards Leaverbuster punishments is because you're still wasting the other players time. Granted, it's not a whole lot, but you are still wasting 3 minutes plus however long it took to wait through the queue and get through champion select, and let's be honest, it can take a decent amount of time to get a game started.

As far as lowering the punishment goes, as DTN said, it is entirely possible. It's done by playing through a certain amount of games without leaving, disconnecting, or otherwise being flagged as AFK by Leaverbuster. The exact amount of games needed for this is unknown, but as DTN said, playing through 10-15 games is definitely not enough for this. You will need to play through a lot more games than that, and I mean a lot. When you do lower your leaver level, though, you will receive a notification about it.

Now let's talk about the individual leaves themselves. For a lot of people, there will be unforeseen circumstances that pull them away from the game. It's unfortunate but understandable. However, Riot cannot really verify if the leave was intentional or if it was due to a personal emergency (such as something you have to do right away or the internet/power goes out), so they have to treat each leave equally. Now, Riot does understand that real life does take precedence over a video game, so to help with the whole "I left due to a personal emergency" situation, they designed Leaverbuster with a but of leniency. You won't get a punishment for your first one, two, or maybe even three leaves, it's when you show a habit of leaving that you get punished. Of course, once you have received a punishment, you have already used up the leniency that the system was designed with, so it's entirely possible that one or two more leaves can trigger the next punishment, especially if they are within a close number of games since your last punishment (again, 10-15 games is rather small).

As for the reasons behind the leaves, well, as I said before, you won't get a punishment for your first one or two leaves. So, if you have the occasional personal emergency, whatever it may be, that forces you to leave, you won't be punished. However, if these personal emergencies cause you to leave enough to trigger a Leaverbuster punishment, there's pretty much always something you could have done to prevent the punishment. For you, you say accumulated so many left games to get you to a 20 minute LPQ (remember, it does take a lot of left games to get here) because of unforeseen circumstances, such as power outages or problems with your ISP. Well, if that's true, then I really hate to say it (trust me, I do), but perhaps it might be best if you took a break from League of Legends. I know it sucks, it really does, but if power outages and such are happening frequently enough to get you to a 20 minute LPQ, then it may not be the best time to be playing League. Instead you could play other games that don't require the same commitment as League of Legends until those things seem to be more stabilized.

As a side note, for this particular instance, you mention that your teammates were in a party that you made, and that you notified them of your absence and they were okay with it. Well, if that's true, then I have a question for you. If your teammates were okay with it, then why did they choose to remake the game?

UnknowRivalDec 17, 20161 votes

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Okay, I'm going to try and explain what's going on and why. I'm going to address more of the major points/issues you're talking about, so this will likely be a long post.

Let's start with why you have the 20 minute LPQ punishment. To begin with, in order to reach the 20 minute LPQ you have to first leave enough games to receive the 5 and 10 minute LPQ punishments, and then leave enough to receive a third punishment, which is the 20 minute one. So, knowing that you have a 20 minute LPQ shows that you have left quite a bit of games in the past. You didn't get it just for this one particular leave, but this one plus all of the others you have had in the past. That's how the punishments work. Also, the reason why remakes count as left games towards Leaverbuster punishments is because you're still wasting the other players time. Granted, it's not a whole lot, but you are still wasting 3 minutes plus however long it took to wait through the queue and get through champion select, and let's be honest, it can take a decent amount of time to get a game started.

As far as lowering the punishment goes, as DTN said, it is entirely possible. It's done by playing through a certain amount of games without leaving, disconnecting, or otherwise being flagged as AFK by Leaverbuster. The exact amount of games needed for this is unknown, but as DTN said, playing through 10-15 games is definitely not enough for this. You will need to play through a lot more games than that, and I mean a lot. When you do lower your leaver level, though, you will receive a notification about it.

Now let's talk about the individual leaves themselves. For a lot of people, there will be unforeseen circumstances that pull them away from the game. It's unfortunate but understandable. However, Riot cannot really verify if the leave was intentional or if it was due to a personal emergency (such as something you have to do right away or the internet/power goes out), so they have to treat each leave equally. Now, Riot does understand that real life does take precedence over a video game, so to help with the whole "I left due to a personal emergency" situation, they designed Leaverbuster with a but of leniency. You won't get a punishment for your first one, two, or maybe even three leaves, it's when you show a habit of leaving that you get punished. Of course, once you have received a punishment, you have already used up the leniency that the system was designed with, so it's entirely possible that one or two more leaves can trigger the next punishment, especially if they are within a close number of games since your last punishment (again, 10-15 games is rather small).

As for the reasons behind the leaves, well, as I said before, you won't get a punishment for your first one or two leaves. So, if you have the occasional personal emergency, whatever it may be, that forces you to leave, you won't be punished. However, if these personal emergencies cause you to leave enough to trigger a Leaverbuster punishment, there's pretty much always something you could have done to prevent the punishment. For you, you say accumulated so many left games to get you to a 20 minute LPQ (remember, it does take a lot of left games to get here) because of unforeseen circumstances, such as power outages or problems with your ISP. Well, if that's true, then I really hate to say it (trust me, I do), but perhaps it might be best if you took a break from League of Legends. I know it sucks, it really does, but if power outages and such are happening frequently enough to get you to a 20 minute LPQ, then it may not be the best time to be playing League. Instead you could play other games that don't require the same commitment as League of Legends until those things seem to be more stabilized.

As a side note, for this particular instance, you mention that your teammates were in a party that you made, and that you notified them of your absence and they were okay with it. Well, if that's true, then I have a question for you. If your teammates were okay with it, then why did they choose to remake the game?

You're the only person who makes sense, addresses the points I'm trying to make, and acknowledges them. Yes, yes. Leaving before hand wasn't great. The only thing that is bonkers is that my teammates were OKAY with it. When I asked one of them what happened, they simply replied with "idk". That leads me to believe that most people don't understand what remake is, as I have come across a number of people that don't know what it is. Why did they remake the game? I asked. They responded with "idk". Most absences of mine aren't on purpose. I've had multiple issues with the client and the game itself, but they either repeat a few times and die off, or happen once. I've had multiple crashes of the client and game itself. Why are for reasons unknown to me. I've had incidents where I crash or disconnect in a circumstance out of my control, and the client won't reconnect to my game, causing me to be afk and hinder my team. As a jungler main, my role is big and small. Even with an early game absence, I'm able to quickly recover from it, with my early game role not being too large. In the case of the game that was remade, I was jungling and my role in the first three minutes wasn't necessarily large. Being so, I don't know how much my absence really cost them.

I appreciate a response that I can actually understand and a response that wasn't hostile. (Being hostile and toxic is another issue among the community)

Regards - Rival

KüramaDec 17, 20163 votes

Since remake was released after LeaverBuster, LeaverBuster doesn't take remade games into consideration which is unfair to you. LeaverBuster requires an update to fix this and I don't have answer as to when Riot will update it.

Also, you'd need to accumulate a number of leaves to be awarded a penalty, especially the 20 minute penalty. Even playing a few games without leaving afterwards wouldn't downgrade your account standing in terms of punishments.

UnknowRivalDec 17, 20161 votes

My point being that there should be a way to lessen the severity of my punishment. Accumulating such a number of left game was due to things out of my control. Remake happens in a really short amount of time, seeing how three minutes isn't enough time to get off the ground or even to really start anything. Maybe it should be increased, or maybe the Leaver Buster shouldn't apply to remake games, just the lost.

MartensiticDec 17, 20162 votes

I'm okay with a punishment, but not a 20 minutes of just for the simplest of reasons.

The purpose of a punishment is not to be convenient for you.

Jo0oDec 17, 20161 votes

I don't understand your mentality.

Going to the bathroom during a game is bad form, and clearly your teammates weren't okay with it, since they remade the game. You're expected not to leave. Note that early AFKs are arguably worse for your team's efforts than late AFKs, due to the nature of the first few minutes of a League game. Ever tried laning at level 1 against a level 3 opponent? Starting the game pinned under tower? Failing to give your jungler a leash? That sort of thing is disastrous.

10-15 games of full connectivity isn't much. This game is RUINED when somebody AFK's, and if you can only boast a "streak" of 10-15 games without being the offender, you're dragging lots of games down. That's very much not okay.

I've left a total of three games in the past year. One due to my block losing power, one due to a freak weather occurrence forcing me to evacuate the building I was in, and one due to my router dying mid-game. Leaverbuster accounts for circumstances outside of my control, and I've never so much as had a 5 minute penalty, let alone a 20 minute penalty.

UnknowRivalDec 17, 20161 votes

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I don't understand your mentality.

Going to the bathroom during a game is bad form, and clearly your teammates weren't okay with it, since they remade the game. You're expected not to leave. Note that early AFKs are arguably worse for your team's efforts than late AFKs, due to the nature of the first few minutes of a League game. Ever tried laning at level 1 against a level 3 opponent? Starting the game pinned under tower? Failing to give your jungler a leash? That sort of thing is disastrous.

10-15 games of full connectivity isn't much. This game is RUINED when somebody AFK's, and if you can only boast a "streak" of 10-15 games without being the offender, you're dragging lots of games down. That's very much not okay.

I've left a total of three games in the past year. One due to my block losing power, one due to a freak weather occurrence forcing me to evacuate the building I was in, and one due to my router dying mid-game. Leaverbuster accounts for circumstances outside of my control, and I've never so much as had a 5 minute penalty, let alone a 20 minute penalty. I have experienced all of the negative things you have said, and I've dealt with them accordingly. Lanning at level 1 versus a level 3 is a challenge, but when played in a withdrawn sense is manageable. Also, my role a as a jungler in the first 3 minutes isn't large, seeing how in that amount of time it is hard to accomplish much. My absence might have hindered them later game, but as a Skarner jungler it is very easy to rebound and prevail at such an early stage.

Jo0oDec 17, 20161 votes

Clearly your teammates didn't agree with you, or else they wouldn't have performed a remake.