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i have a question for A RIOTER. regarding report weight

scazzman··1 votes·837 views

i posted this in help and support but it got deleted but i have a few questions involving hidden report weight and false reports and i would like to hear from a red or at the very least a blue.

  1. what defines "false reporting" what happens with all the negative players who simply "weren't caught" or are evading detection/subtle trolling, or what about players who report for swearing, regardless of if it's directed at someone "im not one of them, but i could see this being a thing"

  2. is there in fact no such thing as a "false" report, and report weight is simply determined by how often you report

  3. if the automated system both reviews and hands out punishments with zero human involvement. and is capable of recognizing "false" reports. why can't i simply report EVERYONE. and have my real ones stick and my invalid reports thrown out? it seems like report weight is simply a relic of the old tribunal, and has no real reason to exist with the automated bot

  4. with asking for reports being against the rules. even if one report is the same as 9 in a single game. hidden report weight still provides motive to ask for reports based on it's very existence ESPECIALLY if a player thinks thier reports arent doing anything simply because they report a lot and have "already used up thier quota" and have nothing telling them otherwise, what's riot's stance on this?

please, unless you have additional questions. do not comment unless you are a red, or at the very least a blue. or your name is deep terror nami. "i still consider you a blue regardless of what riot says" i dont want trolls derailing this thread before i can get a legit response

19 Comments

disregardable2 votes

The report is considered a false report when there aren't any metrics (items, kda, chat, stuff that's easy to track) that indicate a report is false. For example, if you report for negative behavior because someone built 5 tears, that'd show up and the report would be marked valid. But if you reported for something harder to track, for example following you around to steal your farm, that report would be marked invalid.

Now, that's not necessarily a bad thing. The system knows cases like that will happen, so as long as that only happens infrequently, it will not affect your account standing. Furthermore, the system can tell when a person is getting a large number of invalid reports: a Rioter can choose to individually investigate why that is occurring, see that the guy follows people around, and issue a manual ban.

Edit: All a report does is send a game log to Riot. If you frequently falsely report, your reports will stop sending logs to Riot. To repair your report status, someone else in the same game will need to report validly (so the game log is sent) and then a mark on your record will appear that you reported validly.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

I feel there's far too much conjecture here.

scazzman1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WBePNyHL,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-07-29T10:27:24.407+0000)

I feel there's far too much conjecture here.

maybe there wouldnt be. if people had better knowledge of how the system works

disregardable1 votes

Example was a bit sketchy but that's the understanding I've built from reading Riot replies.

scazzman1 votes

{quoted}

Edit: All a report does is send a game log to Riot. If you frequently falsely report, your reports will stop sending logs to Riot. To repair your report status, someone else in the same game will need to report validly (so the game log is sent) and then a mark on your record will appear that you reported validly.

so, this being the case. why can't we ask for reports?

disregardable2 votes

Because the community overwhelmingly considers that negative.

If you only report people that deserve it, your report standing will naturally rise on its own. Probably faster than you even realize.

scazzman1 votes

{quoted}

Because the community overwhelmingly considers that negative.

If you only report people that deserve it, your report standing will naturally rise on its own. Probably faster than you even realize.

not necessarily. if im running into a lot of troll premades. i would be the only one reporting them. unless i manage to convince the enemy team

disregardable1 votes

Unless your account standing was actually good enough and you had no idea. Asking the enemy team to report them might only make them behave worse, it's not worth it. You should focus on creating a positive experience in game.

scazzman1 votes

{quoted}

Unless your account standing was actually good enough and you had no idea. Asking the enemy team to report them might only make them behave worse, it's not worth it. You should focus on creating a positive experience in game.

however, because riot wont tell you. it's Schrodinger's report. both simultaneously validand invalid at the same time? so unless you get the popup every single time you report. or at the very least the majority. you assume that SOME of your reports are probably considered "false" by riot. even if you yourself believe you're reporting accuratly, and this is the problem. unless you get the popup. you simply don't know

Kei1431 votes

are .. you still under the assumption that you need a majority report to get someone punished?

You've been here for so long and should have read a lot of red replies saying that 1 report has the same report weight as 9 reports.

Gimpy891 votes

from what i understand the weight of your report depends on 1)how frequently you report 2)the correlation of your reports with other peoples reports. (This means you will have more weight if you usually report people who are reported a lot) People that file false reports will not correlate well with other peoples reports.

scazzman1 votes

{quoted}

from what i understand the weight of your report depends on 1)how frequently you report 2)the correlation of your reports with other peoples reports. (This means you will have more weight if you usually report people who are reported a lot) People that file false reports will not correlate well with other peoples reports.

if this is the case that's sad, as it's abusable by trolls who only troll once every so many games

OmegaRed852 votes

I've played League for only 9 months. But during that time, one thing has clearly stood out the entire experience. Riot has zero hold on accountability. I do ALOT of gaming. To be honest, one of the worse tribunal systems I've seen, for such a successful game. Really sad. As far as a red responding, good luck. They don't really care to be honest. Just don't let it affect you man, mute them. I've tried blocking them, and they still put me on the SAME TEAM as the ppl I blocked, later on down the road. A shining example of how far blocks and reports really go.

Zielmann1 votes

That's not the case and you know it.

Harvey Rabbit1 votes

Asking for reports is against the rules?

scazzman1 votes

{quoted}

Asking for reports is against the rules?

no shit sherlock

Harvey Rabbit1 votes

Ok.... But seriously, is that a rule somewhere? I'm fairly new to the game, only played it a few months, but all the time I have played it has been pretty regular for people to ask others to report, for example if there is a bot, an all game afk, or someone being abusive to everyone else. It's not jerks or problem players generally who ask for that, it's nice cooperative players who are trying to do the best thing for the game and its players. So it is surprising to me to learn that asking to report is a violation of some hidden rule somewhere?

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Yes, but I wouldn't say it's "a hidden rule".

What is against the rules is negative behavior. When you tell someone they will be reported or you lobby for reports, it is likely to escalate the situation. They may intentionally direct their anger at you or increase their toxic behavior, and since it only takes one report to flag a match you don't need to ask for them; the other players can decide on their own what they want to report.

Other players may come to that person's defense because you are trying to start a witch hunt, even if they are strangers to them. Bringing it up in chat just involves the team in unnecessary drama. If you want to report (or mute) a player, do so without saying anything to prevent sparking new arguments.

scazzman1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WBePNyHL,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-29T14:17:31.814+0000)

Yes, but I wouldn't say it's "a hidden rule".

What is against the rules is negative behavior. When you tell someone they will be reported or you lobby for reports, it is likely to escalate the situation. They may intentionally direct their anger at you or increase their toxic behavior, and since it only takes one report to flag a match you don't need to ask for them; the other players can decide on their own what they want to report.

Other players may come to that person's defense because you are trying to start a witch hunt, even if they are strangers to them. Bringing it up in chat just involves the team in unnecessary drama. If you want to report (or mute) a player, do so without saying anything to prevent sparking new arguments.

i would disagree with it not being a "hidden rule" because "negative behavior" is completely subjective. example. to an intentional feeder, trying to win in spite of them and not feeding into thier trolling would be a "negative behavior" and asking for reports is an acceptable and common practice in other games. players who dont read the forums wouldnt even know

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