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People getting away with attacking special needs players.

Eat Rammus Soup·7/1/2019, 12:33:32 PM·2 votes·2,414 views

I'm sure I'm not the only person who's seen how people flame each other. Honestly, that's part of what makes it a game imo. But there's a clear violation in Riot's "tolerance" program. The big issue? It literally punishes special needs players.

It's good and well to play social justice warrior and say, "oh please we must never talk about situations which make people uncomfortable". But put it into practice and you find out how little people even understand about many disabilities.

FYI the reason many games don't restrict chat so tyrannically is because of learning disabled players- League is just terribly behind in the ethical department. There are two specific learning disabilities I want people to just look up. Because I feel like when people imagine "disability" they imagine the worst. But that's ignoring reality.

The first disorder I want people to be aware of is ODD. "Oppositional Defiant Disorder". It's a very serious issue, and due to the stereotypes of suffering- these people are criminalized instead of treated because they don't take the timid/victim mentality that our egos so desperately search for before offering help. "Healthy" minded people are actually pretty disgusting- all of us- the reason we're taught to say please has nothing to do with manners- it's an observation of human behavior that people are too proud and selfish to help others until others humble themselves enough- it's literally a form of hazing that goes unchecked because it's the norm.. anyways I'm getting off topic here talking about learning disabilities shittt… Anyways because ODD victims do not cry or pout or beg then people aren't willing to help. ODD victims suffer from a condition much like PTSD when given instructions/rules to follow. Following someone else's rules puts you at their mercy and nobody has your best interests at heart. Maybe these people want to get on a game and be able to have some social interaction without being ostracized at every angle. Except the social justice warriors will report these players 100% of the time. ODD victims can't control what they say in social settings. Social cues provoke the ODD, and this game is passive-aggressive-normalizing trash.

The second disorder is Asperger's Syndrome. People with Asperger's, like people with ODD, give no hint of having a disability unless you know what to look for. The problem is- everyone is quick to attack these people because of the nature of their condition. The biggest red flag? ANGER AND INSULTS. You even see it in the chats. Someone with Asperger's is playing.. suddenly a teammate does something unexpected and ruin the player's flow. Now the player is flaming the teammate for whatever mistake was made. And the flaming doesn't stop. Then you get the team harassing this player like some kind of "omega wolf" mentality. The ironic shit is- you actually get people saying things like, "you must be r%%%%%ed" then report the player after the game. Well- the player IS actually r%%%%%ed.

Someone with ODD? You ever ask a Master Yi for help and get flamed endlessly?

I find Riot's "tolerance" of mental disabilities to be a joke. It's like they pretend to be tolerant only enough to call themselves members of a "progressed society". It's a joke considering how little people seem to know about mental defects.

In case you haven't figured it out, I'm one of the people suffering from these conditions. We don't get help. We either don't know how, or are literally programmed to destroy ourselves before even asking. We are constantly attacked for simply being ourselves and it's extremely hard work trying to communicate what's happening inside our minds. Especially when "healthy minded" people want to provoke us. We are typically normal people with everyday jobs, but unliked by most of our peers because of social interactions. And we don't get upset the same way. So you never know we're victims everyone quickly pushes the target onto us to make us as the bad guys.

If I say, "Fuck off you stupid piece of shit, you're all trash, gtfo this game loser pos" etc. it's literally no different than a "healthy-minded" person saying "whatever dude you got issues". The issue is we try so hard to communicate the problem but it all comes out "hostile". And we see we aren't communicating so we try even harder, and harder.. but we get met with the "healthy-minded" people trying to haze us out of the game.

Frankly, I'm tired of this game discriminating against me when Riot claims to have a policy of tolerance. It pisses me off that I've spent hundreds of dollars on this game because I feel so alone in the real world just isolated by my peers. And it's honestly something I have to live with. But it's just a terrible feeling to be sidelined in a society talking about being progressive and understanding people. It seems ignorant to restrict speech that is consistent with learning disabilities and then claim to be doing it to sympathize with the "learning impaired". Typical "normie" mindset: hush-hush about the issue as to not offend, and don't research/learn about the condition to be able to understand and relate with the people.

Actually- has anyone watched "The Ringer"? Perfect depiction of the stereotypes of learning disabled people. Nobody wants to understand so they save their own conscience by playing ignorant.

Anyways- it's also terribly pretentious for Riot to say, "Just mute, ignore, and move on.", but then process reports where a player is flaming other players. What about that golden rule now scrubs? Some real fucking sociopaths in Riot for real.

Talking to players a certain way just flat out shouldn't be a reportable offense. "Mute, ignore, and move on." Especially when the system discriminates based on a policy of learning disabilities.

EDIT For some reason multiple words were replaced and I had to edit them all out. Actually the THIRD time this has happened to me and all 3 times Riot seems to bombard the word "r%%%%%" between lines to make half my discussion censored.

24 Comments

rujitra7/1/2019, 1:09:33 PM14 votes

Your mental illness is not Riot's problem nor the world's problem to deal with. Tolerance does not mean they give you special treatment.

Tuition Fee7/1/2019, 4:27:52 PM6 votes

A study showed that men on the autism spectrum are actually more likely to resort to playing video games than neurotypical men. As a result, keep in mind the flamers you've encountered might also just be fellow autistics, and that you should extend the same courtesies to them as you'd expect to be extended to you...or just mute them.

As a fellow autist and someone who has some other mental issues, I get that people with these disabilities might be more aggressive. I've seen it in the special ed room. Yes, some "healthy minded" students do sometimes try to provoke us. But that doesn't give us a reason to respond in kind. If they want to get us in trouble, or to get a response, why would you give it to them? Especially in a video game where you can ignore their messages? I get that with ODD it affects you a bit differently, so maybe you could play with someone hovering over your shoulder reminding you to mute, or doing it for you?

Riot processes reports because the people who flamed DIDN'T ignore and move on. They broke the ground rules set for them. If you can't follow them, because of a mental illness, no worries. There are guides out here on how to disable your keyboard while playing.

It's also incredibly difficult for these "normies" to know that you have a mental illness just based on your playstyle. Hell, most of my fellow autist friends are plat/diamond/master.

CharDeeMcDenniz7/1/2019, 1:32:11 PM4 votes

wooooooooow

credit for trying i guess but big swing and a miss

Subdue7/1/2019, 4:46:45 PM4 votes

Interesting thread. I don't know much about ODD, but I did a quick search for how to deal with it and here's what I found:

From: https://psychcentral.com/blog/4-ways-to-manage-oppositional-defiant-disorder-in-children/

Respond without anger: It’s important to respond to your ODD child without anger—try to be as calm and matter-of-fact as possible. Just acknowledge the behavior, state it as you see it, explain how it will need to change and then remove yourself from all arguments. You really have to pick your battles and decide what’s most important to you—and ultimately to your child.

Be clear and consistent: The nature of oppositional defiant behavior is to wear parents down so that they eventually give in. You need to be strong, clear and consistent in your follow through.

Do not take things personally. Do not take your child’s behavior personally. When your ODD child acts out, as hard as it might be, stay as neutral and objective as possible. You need to be clear and concise and not get pulled into a power struggle—it’s really not about you, it’s about your child and what he needs to learn. We as parents sometimes need to be great actors and actresses with our kids. The key is to keep practicing calm, consistent parenting and following through.

Don’t be your child’s friend—be his parent: Remember, being a parent is not a personality contest. There are times when he won’t like you—he may even shout, “I hate you,” or call you foul names. But if you keep setting limits with your child and follow through by giving him consequences and holding him accountable, then ultimately you’re doing the best thing for your child.

From: https://blog.brainbalancecenters.com/2014/03/managing-oppositional-defiant-disorder-kids

Set a few non-negotiable house rules and enforce them with consequences. Kids with ODD are often anxious and have an overwhelming need to control their environment and others. Keep house rules simple and limited so kids don't feel stifled or overwhelmed. For instance, rules may include, "We don't hurt ourselves, others, or property. We use kind language and don't raise our voices." Display house rules and decide ahead of time on consequences for breaking a rule so kids know what to expect if they do. Once your child has completed the consequence, move on from the incident. Show your child that each new day is a chance to make better choices.

From: https://www.merakilane.com/dealing-with-oppositional-defiant-disorder-18-tips-for-parents-and-teachers/

**Develop a clear set of house rules. **When it comes to dealing with oppositional defiant disorder at home, developing a set of ‘House Rules’ in which you clearly define what is expected of your child is another great first step. Make sure to keep the list relatively short (aim for 5-10 items), focus on behaviors your child struggles with but include a few behaviors you know your child can easily achieve to ensure greater success, use basic language, and make sure the rules you’re trying to enforce are realistic. Examples might include:

I use a quiet voice I keep my hands and feet to myself I say ‘please’ and ‘thank you’ I clean up after myself I do not interrupt when someone is speaking

The advice seems pretty consistent. Set clear rules and enforce them with consequences.

Thingamajig7/1/2019, 12:51:30 PM3 votes

half way through reading this i stopped after your assumption that someone doing a "brain off" play means they are r%%%%%ed your assumption that every auto piloted player or tilted player is r%%%%%ed having aspergers or has some ODD condition how delusional are you to think that issues that concern few in tens of thousands is so common to be encountered in every game of league is beyond me

calling you r%%%%%ed doesn't mean you are r%%%%%ed it's far easier to say "WTF are you doing" or "are you r%%%%%ed" than explaining in detail that the actions they performed were void of logic and ignorant to the state of the game the passive aggressive equivalent is the missing ping

i still can't wrap my head around you actually being serious that 50%+ of the player base has mental disabilities https://i.imgflip.com/o63vh.jpg

usul12027/1/2019, 3:23:55 PM2 votes

As a private entity, riot games is not obligated to cater to everyone. If keeping people who cannot control themselves antagonizes a larger group of the community, would riot do that? Riot is a business looking to make money, and if your patronage causes them a net loss why would they give you special treatment?

GatekeeperTDS7/1/2019, 2:51:39 PM2 votes

Just like real life, a medical issue (and psych issues are medical issues) is not an excuse for anyone to treat anyone poorly. A disease is not a person's fault, but innocent bystanders are not required to put up with the fallout of anyone's disease. Period.

VindicatorOFThey7/1/2019, 3:28:32 PM1 votes

We don't get help.

What kind of help do you want ?

Especially when "healthy minded" people want to provoke us.

How do they provoke you ?

Tunodah7/1/2019, 2:20:40 PM1 votes

Darwin where you at?