I'm starting to get really sick at the notion of "jungle diff"

Naalith·1/3/2019, 12:18:45 AM·11 votes·18,802 views

I play jungle a good portion of the time I play League, and it seems like literally every game someone blames the entire outcome of the game OR their lane on "jungle diff." It requires no thought to type and it's become a mindset that people who can't admit they lost lane use every game to blame their "shit team" for the loss. Refusing to admit you lost lane doesn't make you a better player, and it will probably lose you games because junglers are sick of being blamed for 100% of lane losses and will just want to leave the game.

Let me give you an example of some times "jungle diff" is NOT the cause for the enemy jungler helping more or you losing lane 1v1, instead these are some times a "brain cell diff" on your end caused your loss:

  1. You repeatedly shove lane into the enemy tower then get punished by an enemy gank. No shit your jungle doesn't want to towerdive, and no shit the enemy jungler is ganking you more than your own when you open yourself up for a quick death.

  2. Your enemy laner counterpicked you/ you just lost lane 1v1. Not the jungle's fault. You lost. Fair and square. Sure, a jungler can help alleviate counterpick pressure but their path isn't always in your direction when a gank is open and sometimes you're getting smashed so hard a gank would result in a double kill.

  3. Your jungler fails to get dragons (what an outrage), except the enemy team has more map pressure. When your team is losing, the enemy team gets more map pressure. Junglers can't ninja dragons without the enemy bot and mid collapsing on them very often if they have more map control. Remember dragons and barons are TEAM objectives, and you can't send off a single jungler to reliably collect TEAM objectives alone against an entire enemy TEAM.

  4. Your opponent is a hypermobile character and you are playing a 3 move speed no mobility character. Look, I try to gank everyone I possibly can, but I also try to look at how useful I will be at certain parts of the map at once. For mid in particular, when there is a character like Leblanc or Fizz with multiple low cooldown dashes who can just leave instantly, ganks aren't going to succeed very often. It's better to help other lanes that are more reliable kills than sit and try to gank Barry Allen over and over. Sure, I'll help when I can and a path is open, but you are an easy kill and their opponent isn't, which makes ganking very hard.

Yes, good junglers can decide games. Good players in any role can decide games. It is true that the jungle is the role that impacts all other roles early game, but you can't blame each and every loss on your jungler. Sometimes your jungler is bad or misplays or just isn't playing well that day, sure, but that happens in every lane. If you spam "jungle diff" every game you lose, stop being an asshole and look at your own playstyle before you start being a dick to your teammates.

16 Comments

Gravesinger1/3/2019, 2:02:33 AM4 votes

obligatory daily 'stop blaming jungle' thread: ✔️ obligatory daily 'fuck junglers they never help: thread: haven't seen it yet but I know it is there

ı Sona ı1/3/2019, 8:27:48 AM3 votes

Just mute them. You don't need validation from others if you know you are playing well and or to the best of your ability.

[sona-playing]

The Patriachy1/3/2019, 4:36:18 PM3 votes

It is literally always jungle difference though.

If you're winning lane and your jungler is there to countergank the gank, you win the game. If your jungler is there to clean up the 4 man tower dive, you win the game. If all lanes are constantly shoving them under turret and your jungler just goes into the enemy jungler and fights the enemy jungler to prevent them from ganking, you win the game.

Every jungler complains how a lane is impossible to gank when they can legit just walk into the enemy jungle and force the 2v2. If your laner has priority and doesn't come, you can flame them.

Nipsahoy1/3/2019, 9:04:48 PM2 votes

Hate to say it but sometimes it IS the jungle difference. Not sure why junglers can't accept that some times they get outplayed or the other jungler has more of an impact. We see it in pro matches all the time. Doesn't mean the jungler is a bad player necessarily just that they haven't been able to impact the game as much.

It always makes me chuckle when junglers spam for help at scutttle or when being invaded and you help them and you leash them yet they just kind of disappear during the game and never make any attempt to help you whatsoever but expect you to drop everything to bail them out of their shitty decisions then flame LOL LANES CLUELESS DONT WATCH MAP GG.

VortexV91/3/2019, 12:36:16 AM2 votes

I'm jungle main as well and god you're right..

1: Laners, low elo every game, push 24/7 and then die to gank with hundred pings on me... I take drake bcs i saw enemy jg on top or got half of his jungle but NO! It's my fault..

2: When someone start pinging since lvl 2 bcs he lost trade... I'm on my way to second buff dude chill...

3: Ahhh old shit.. When they flame you for 0 drake but botlane lose tower in 12 min.. Yeah i can take that drake sure with someone like Nocturne alone...

  1. You can gank mobile champs ofc it's hard but possible.. But when your laner decide to dive someone like Aatrox, Trynda, Akali, Maokai... Ah love that shit.. If i follow we re both dead or it's 1 for 1 situation... if i don't follow or my laner die in 1 for 1 situation.. That flame..
AmWhaleIRL1/3/2019, 6:18:41 PM1 votes

CLASSIC #BlameJG Real talk tho I've been mostly a JG - mid main and you just gotta mute them dude. It's not ever going to stop and you won't ever convince the lynch-jg mob. I guarantee your game will be so much more fun after you mute their chat, and if necessary their pings too. Obviously don't ignore that they're in the game and on your team, but don't let them ruin your game either.

22 Caliber Rifle1/5/2019, 4:13:14 PM1 votes

This is an issue that shouldn't be in the game. I'm a legit jungle one trick and have experienced everything when it comes to playing ranked games including constant harassment and abusive behavior because all our lanes are losing at once. Some people dont understand how to play the game and its hard enough ganking top to find that your laner doesn't want your help which the bot immediately flames u for not helping them.

Sadly this is the reality and I doesn't seem that my main account will ever reach Plat 1 like my alt. The word "carry" is non existent, it doesn't matter what rank you are, if you are in Oceania and are diamond or lower don't expect to be able to smurf because it wont work.

MiximumDennis2/22/2020, 7:17:59 PM1 votes

What diff means?

GreenKnight1/3/2019, 12:23:41 AM1 votes

Junglers are really strong now, so it's only natural that they will be blamed if someone messes up. Same thing happened to supports, when enchanters were still viable.

FeedKaylePlease2/22/2020, 8:29:50 PM1 votes

/mute all when you jungle is a necessity.

Dynikus1/3/2019, 12:24:24 AM1 votes

Bad players look for anything but themselves to blame for why they lost. Since a jungler's role is in part to help lanes get an advantage, you're an easy target for them to place the blame, even when they're the ones who fucked up.

If it's not the jungler's fault, it'll be the mid's fault for not roaming, or top's fault for not teleporting, or the support's fault for not warding, or the adc's fault for being in a different lane farming

MrHaZeYo1/3/2019, 12:24:37 AM1 votes

I haven't played in a few months, my 1st few games I went jungle and did awful and got blamed (prolly rightfully so on a few instances), but as a Mid main, the only time I hate when my jungler doesn't do anything is when I'm being camped or drawing pressure, anywhere on the map, like I'd be content if you just counter jungled Lee while he sat in the bush waiting for his moment on me.

Then theirs times where I'm basically at the tipping point of my lane, if I get a kill I can win out lane but if I die I'll get crushed out. Either jungler can push that lane to their favor. Both Top and Mid snowball pretty hard. So I see where the saying is coming from, but it's used in situations it shouldn't be from time to time.

Zardo1/3/2019, 1:13:12 AM1 votes

I don't jungle but it gets really annoying seeing my laners overextend and continue to do so citing a "jg difference" when it's more of a "minimap difference" between them and their enemy.

Ari chąn1/3/2019, 11:23:36 AM1 votes

Oh of course you guys are always innocent and never act like idiots, I’ve seen so many junglers like MasterYi flashed q to steal a kill that was already secured by the laner or cocky LeeSin players that invaded to steal the enemy jungle camps despite it being warded (enemy top/mid/bot were mia and of course we couldn’t follow them into their freaking jungle), guess what they ended up dying and gave the enemy laners double buffs which clearly wasn’t going to impact the outcome of a lane.

A lot of people in this game are assholes I get it but the mute option exists for that, or just report them later on, after all Riot’s Automated Banning system is very good at punishing toxic players.