What if Riot gave offensive players the chance to apologize to the people that reported them?

Helium Cube·Oct 15, 2016·13 votes·1,502 views

I'm not talking about cases where you tell someone that they shouldn't be buying atk spd and modifiers before they buy dmg first, and they report you for toxic. I mean in cases where we generally become toxic and slip up, and flame someone. And when the report is "verified" by Riot. I was just curious, because alot of times I get tilted off of a buncha games and end up snapping in a game with a fresh team and they had nothing to do with my frustation.

Those situations, I'd like to have the option to send those people a short single sentence message saying sorry. There's alot of toxic people in this game, jnglers that refuse to gank your lane, mid laner's that roam top or bot to bait you into a team fight just to run off. Supports stealing gold to spite the adc, and adc leave bot lane whenever the support or jungler gets a kill. There's also just as many nice and kind players and its those that have nothing to do with the toxicity that I'd like to express remorse to flaming or yelling at.

Ideas?

41 Comments

ModUlanopoOct 16, 20165 votes

http://imgur.com/ylpM1kP

I know it sounds trite, but the best way to apologize is to change your behavior and help make the community better.

You even say yourself:

"I get tilted off of a buncha games and end up snapping in a game with a fresh team and they had nothing to do with my frustration."

Perhaps, if you try to recognize when you are on tilt, you might avoid these situations and avoid having to apologize altogether. In my experience, people on tilt also tend to make more mistakes, so you might see an improvement in your play, as well.

Helium CubeOct 17, 20162 votes

Take your condescending conduct else where please. I won't have you badgering me like you have been doing to others. You are a mod and are supposed to be held to a higher standard of conduct and looking at your messages you're patronizing and snarky. I don't care if you need to belittle other's to feel better about yourself, but unless you have anything relevant to contribute to this discussion, I'd rather you not harass and , as you said, act trite towards others. Your behavior is extremely unbecoming of a mod.

AstôlfoOct 15, 20164 votes

Sure, but it wouldn't/shouldn't change the punishment received.

Helium CubeOct 15, 20162 votes

Of course not, I want it to encourage reform.

Deep Terror NamiOct 15, 20167 votes

I don't really have faith in most players that act like that to actually genuinely apologize most of the time. I think more often than not they'd use this opportunity to harass the player some more.

When someone who was toxic in a game tries to send you a friend request this is almost always what they are trying to do (which is why I advise you deny these requests), and allowing them to bypass the friend request to communicate just seems to make that easier.

It's great when someone wants to apologize for their behavior, but in reality that doesn't happen that often. If you want to apologize I recommend doing it in the post-game lobby, or sending a friend request and leaving it to the other player to give you the time of day. Other than that, the best apology is towards the community as a whole by trying to not let it happen again.

GankRivenOct 16, 20162 votes

it hurts when those who do try their best to make things right are still treated poorly because of a lack of faith. it really breaks my heart hun.

AstôlfoOct 16, 20161 votes

It's moreso that the ones who have honest intentions are ignored because of the rotten apples in the bunch.

Helium CubeOct 16, 20161 votes

I just feel there is no right way to behave, because no matter what someone has shit to give you for it.

Helium CubeOct 16, 20161 votes

With no chance to apologize it isn't that it doesn't happen that often, it won't happen, ever, with no chance of it ever happening. But I guess the majority of toxic players win over the few players that wish to express remorse and try to fix the toxicity instead of adding to it. But if Riot only adds tools to punish without giving players tools to improve themselves it seems a self defeating purpose. Punish the mean people, but don't give them the tools or try to help them become better people. It's like jail. You're supposed to get rehabilitated there, but all you end up doing is hanging out with more criminals and becoming more criminal. Thank you for your input and concerns.

Deep Terror NamiOct 16, 20163 votes

With no chance to apologize

But they do get a chance to apologize through friend requests and post-game chat, and nearly every time there is no apology, just more harassment. You are requesting a tool for reform, but it would be used for the opposite far more often than not.

If we're comparing it to criminals and jail time, the correct analogy would be that you are giving a violent criminal convicted of armed robbery another gun and your store's operating hours and saying "Ok try not to misuse it".

Helium CubeOct 17, 20161 votes

You actually feel like you have the right to speak for anyone other then yourself. No wonder you're not a mod anymore DTM.

themachampOct 16, 20164 votes

If you get nothing for it....why would anyone apologize in league?

WolfessOct 16, 20165 votes

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If you get nothing for it....why would anyone apologize in league?

to become a better person for their own benefit.

Helium CubeOct 16, 20161 votes

This

Chicken RaveOct 16, 20162 votes

Your faith in humanity, especially this community, is surprising and looks pretty blind.

WolfessOct 16, 20161 votes

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Your faith in humanity, especially this community, is surprising and looks pretty blind.

Well, SOMEONE has to have faith in it. Plus it's not only a community thing, it's a human race thing.

Chicken RaveOct 18, 20161 votes

I wouldn't trust anything positive to come out of this community, especially in game. So yeah, I'd expect people who get a chance to "apologize" to advice their reporters to kill themselves. I estimate the rate of "kys" sent through this tool, if it gets launched, to be very high. The rate of negativity and insults in what are meant to be apology messages, to be far too high for Riot to keep this idea on live servers for more than a week. Some people just want to get over the fit throwers, the intentional feeders, they wouldn't want to be reminded of some douchebag that ruined a 20 to 60 minute game one time and how much of a douchebag that player was, which is all this "apology" system would bring. I don't think anything positive would come out of this system, just a tool for toxic people to throw one last jab at people whose games got ruined by their behavior. This is what the LoL community is made of, this is what we have to put up with, hoping that we get in a game we end up enjoying. Be careful what you put your faith in, disappointment hurts.

WolfessOct 18, 20161 votes

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I wouldn't trust anything positive to come out of this community, especially in game. So yeah, I'd expect people who get a chance to "apologize" to advice their reporters to kill themselves. I estimate the rate of "kys" sent through this tool, if it gets launched, to be very high. The rate of negativity and insults in what are meant to be apology messages, to be far too high for Riot to keep this idea on live servers for more than a week. Some people just want to get over the fit throwers, the intentional feeders, they wouldn't want to be reminded of some douchebag that ruined a 20 to 60 minute game one time and how much of a douchebag that player was, which is all this "apology" system would bring. I don't think anything positive would come out of this system, just a tool for toxic people to throw one last jab at people whose games got ruined by their behavior. This is what the LoL community is made of, this is what we have to put up with, hoping that we get in a game we end up enjoying. Be careful what you put your faith in, disappointment hurts.

two things

1: I know that a good part, or even a vastly large majority, of people are just looking out for themselves and nothing more, that they don't give an honest damn about anyone or anything that doesn't benefit them or that they can gain from, this especially being true due to the target age of league players being teens to young adults very commonly containing individuals that are still in the stages of puberty and maturing. What I do believe is that there are some rare ones that happen to wise up and being edgy, showing off, or actin like they're some hot shit is not going to actually get them anything in life and then they become just a bit more mentally mature instead of just physically mature.

2: I don't believe it was ever mentioned that the "apology" had to be sent instantly like a chat. Obviously the message should be sent through riot to make sure the contents are actual, sincere apologies without trolling attempts in them.

WukongisGodOct 19, 20161 votes

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Well, SOMEONE has to have faith in it. Plus it's not only a community thing, it's a human race thing.

I'm glad to see someone else wanting to try to improve community and has faith in it i think your idea would work if there were like 3-5 premade apologetic sentences you could select to fit what you want to say sorry for cause i have been in your shoes i feel bad sometimes and sometimes i dont cause it was sometimes them that triggered the flaming for flaming me or another friend but i would like to see something like this in game it would be nice and a way to avoid ppl just harrassing ppl with the option

Helium CubeOct 17, 20161 votes

That's kind of what faith is, believing in something, even blindly, with little evidence.

ShadòwOct 15, 20163 votes

"Hey i wanted to say sorry for last game"

"np m8 it's k"

"jk suck my dick LUL"

"..."

Helium CubeOct 16, 20161 votes

That would certainly be a concern, the apology feature used to further troll someone. I speculate a possible solution would be these messages obviously to be monitored by Riot, and the recipient would be able to report these apologies for toxic content Flagged apologies are reviewed, and if toxicity is found, three strike rule.

Normally a player has to be toxic consistantly to accumulate reports to get the 10 game chat restriction, then more games pile up for 25, then a 7 day ban, more games, more games, 14 day ban more games, perma ban. Toxic apologies would immediately escalate the punishment tier. So if you were already on a 25 game chat restriction and were toxic in an apology, you'd immediately recieve the 7 day suspension.

MagicFlyingLlamaOct 15, 20163 votes

I cant tell if this is youtube heros level troll, or if it is really not obvious what would happen..

MrNhbdyOct 15, 20163 votes

How do I know your being sincere? Is there a font for that? This just would be used to lessen a punishment for a person who truly gives zero cares for the people they harass. If you fairly get reported for being toxic and are punished then take the repercussions of your actions like a OG. Reform and be less toxic.

Helium CubeOct 16, 20161 votes

This has nothing to do about consequences or punishments. I very deliberately worded my post and if this is all you take away from it then you've missed the point.

MrNhbdyOct 17, 20162 votes

My dear lamb, would an apology truly do anything for the horrible experience you put someone through? Why should riot give anyone the opportunity to "express remorse", in a nutshell you feeling guilty and wanting to change your ways is apart of the package. All in all the answer is yes my dear lamb, your post is about the consequences of your actions. Letting someone apologize could make them feel relieved of some of their wrong doing and maybe less likely to change their ways as a whole. The best action of showing your remorse is to except your guilt (which you have done) and change your behavior.

Helium CubeOct 17, 20161 votes

I don't know what happened in your life experiances that has damaged your self esteem so badly to the point you feel the need to fabricate a false sense of superiority , but I wish you well.

MrNhbdyOct 17, 20161 votes

Let me understand you in full.

I reply to your post with how someone could possibly see your idea.
You claim I did not understand you, when in reality you "missed the point".
My way of handling your reply, which matches your on egotistical remark, is some how a superiority complex?

Thank you for your kind wish and I would like to return the same back to you. If you would like to apologize for toxic behavior in game, then that is "nice", but my point was that its better to just try to be a better person.

I hope this idea of yours gets more attention, because I know not everyone shares my point of view. It is quite possible Riot could use it. That being said, I'll up vote this thread! These kinds of talks are good for our community. Thank you for posting.

Morality CoachOct 15, 20163 votes

I don't want some toxic kid contacting me after games, lol.

If you were sorry you wouldn't do it. Apologies are always meaningless.

Hero To VillainOct 16, 20163 votes

Omg! I was permabanned over six months ago and I had recently just apologized to all the players for the one game I was banned for.

Chicken RaveOct 16, 20162 votes

I think 80% of the times people would use this tool would be to take one last jab at those who reported them. I estimate the rate of "kys" in these messages as pretty high. But in order to not penalize people for a bad attitude, I think defeats because an ally intentionally fed or left should be canceled, preferably with the LP loss canceled as well. That should also encourage people to signal it instead of just getting back in queue immediately.

ZelorxonOct 16, 20162 votes

jnglers that refuse to gank your lane

Alright...

From: Junglers

To: Laners and Inexperienced Junglers

-The role of a jungler is to: farm the jungle and apply map pressure, his job is to control the map, secure objectives and give support to the lanes, HE IS NOT THERE TO WIN YOUR LANE, if you're bad, there is no amount of ganks that will save you. A good jungler knows which lane gank, the powerspike of the single champions, when they're weak, when they're strong and when they're vulnerable or not to ganks, also they know when and how a laner can assist in a gank making it possible, sometimes junglers can cause a small skirmish just to lift some pressure from you. When a lane is losing, or worse, it's getting crushed something like 0/4/1 a) the jungler SHOULD NOT gank that lane, because it means that at best he won't be able to do anything, at worst he will simply die and/or bait the laner into death b) the laner should itemize accordingly, freezing a lane is allowed only pre level 7 or when there's no objective to contest, otherwise you should itemize for waveclear and/or defenses if you're not a carry (but in that case you're kinda screwed because a carry that doesn't do damage won't go much far) and ROAM, this means, ganking bot, roaming to other lanes to help them push and take turrets, call for fights when you have number advantage OR if there is someone strong enough to save him he should setup the gank/roam (let's say mid and jungle are coming to gank a top lane that already lost a turret and can't push back)

These are just general advices that apply on most situations but the most important message of all is THE JUNGLER IS NOT THERE TO WIN YOUR LANE, if you can't contain the bleeding of your lane it's your problem, the jungler is there to help, not to spoonfeed you your lane.

Feel free to spread this message, i thought it was obsolete in season 3 but apparently i'm wrong.

Helium CubeOct 17, 20161 votes

I speak about the junglers that refuse to gank your lane. As in they have a choice, and they choose not to gank your lane. This has nothing to do with strategically being able to. Your wrote a big pile of text that literally had nothing to do with my remark. You turned a discussion about dealing with toxicity into defending yourself as a jungler main. You're selfish and unwanted go else where please if you aren't contributing to the topic.

rtbf76109271Oct 16, 20162 votes

The average apology:

"fuck you %%%got got me banned kys"

I'm sure exclusively nice things would be sent..

Best Kog NAOct 15, 20161 votes

Sadly some players would then know who reported them and would most likely be even more toxic targeted at that one person.

Helium CubeOct 16, 20161 votes

This would be an issue, but I've proposed a no tolerance policy idea in regards to apology coms as an idea.

Ada WongOct 15, 20161 votes

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I'm not talking about cases where you tell someone that they shouldn't be buying atk spd and modifiers before they buy dmg first, and they report you for toxic. I mean in cases where we generally become toxic and slip up, and flame someone. And when the report is "verified" by Riot. I was just curious, because alot of times I get tilted off of a buncha games and end up snapping in a game with a fresh team and they had nothing to do with my frustation.

Those situations, I'd like to have the option to send those people a short single sentence message saying sorry. There's alot of toxic people in this game, jnglers that refuse to gank your lane, mid laner's that roam top or bot to bait you into a team fight just to run off. Supports stealing gold to spite the adc, and adc leave bot lane whenever the support or jungler gets a kill. There's also just as many nice and kind players and its those that have nothing to do with the toxicity that I'd like to express remorse to flaming or yelling at.

Ideas?

Honestly perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea then people would understand why the hell I report them, (Perhaps delay the time) if anonmity is a must by a few days or at least 5 games played) before showing it, but show the reported players the reason why they were reported with the description...

Today I was top I had the lane phase going well and as usual everyone else starts feeding, but my own "Jungler" ran in multiple times got the enemy ahead and intentionally made the game and lane unplayable for me trolling asked em why and they never answered players were going to keep flamming and arguing chat so I type /mute all and let the game end whatever...

Its people like this who honestly really piss me off like They make a mistake the first time going after wrong guy and get killed okay, but coming in with repeated attempts after is obviously trolling putting the enemy ahead a game that could have at least been more fun for my team if this guy wasnt upsetting me and trolling the game.

EazyMakaveli2Oct 16, 20161 votes

There is an easier solution. No punishments for flaming, a bigger mute button.

Mister PunchesOct 16, 20161 votes

Call me cynical, but I don't have any faith in any one person in this community offering a sincere form of apology towards someone they were toxic towards. From my experience in the community, if someone is toxic towards another person, they aren't going to say "sorry" in a genuine form. Chances are, if they say "sorry" in some way, it's going to easily be passive aggressive and condescending, rather than genuine.

I've had people call me all sorts of things that they would never say in front of their parents, and one that especially hits me on a personal level are insults that involve insults involving one's mental capacity (e.g. someone calling me autistic, retarded, etc.). As a result, I've been conditioned by the community to think every single person in this community is toxic and that the only way that I will believe that a person is not toxic in this community is if they prove that they are not toxic (basically, the guilty until proven innocent mental thinking). I also tend to block people who are toxic in postgame chat after reporting them, so I still wouldn't be able to see their "apology" if that is the case.

Pretty much, I don't have any faith in this community to be decent human beings after they were complete jerks just seconds, or minutes before they got reported. I think this saying "sorry" in a message would only harm the community more than help it, since it would instill a "I'm sorry I got caught being toxic" attitude, where apologies would be empty.

I also share the same sentiment as Nep2une, where Riot wouldn't/shouldn't change the punishment received.

Helium CubeOct 16, 20161 votes

I'd like then to apologize to you on behalf of those that have been toxic and unkind towards you. Thank you for your input.

CrazyBear1987Oct 18, 20161 votes

Actions speak louder than words, if you are truly reformed or seen the error of your ways, then you wouldn't need to apologies. Be better, stay good, continue on the path that doesn't get you banned.