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Perma Ban policy change.

CominTowardsYa·11/23/2019, 6:35:19 PM·5 votes·3,785 views

Hear me out.

Disclaimer the first part is what happened which lead me to this topic, the bottom is the policy change suggestion if you don't care to read why I wrote this:

This is a suggestion that I think is reasonable and meets in the middle for those who want a meaningful punishment for game misconduct, and those who feel they deserve a second (4th,5th, or 6th) chance to recover their account and the money they put into that account. Hear me out.

I had a problem with the game at one point and fell victim to the trollduggery that we all can experience from time to time, and started tilting and shooting back at flamers and people who ruin games. This did not end well for me, I was chat restricted numerous times, and even suspended for 14 days THREE times with the fair warning we all hear about that I will permanently lose my $2k worth of RP purchases and my account. I would have been banned.

Well I took a year off, it was a good break, and I came back "reformed" as the mods would call it, because upon my return I have had no violations whatsoever and increased in honor. This must mean, I was a flaming toxic so called troll who wasn't going to change my ways and possibly get the old perma ban on the wrist from Riot, but now I am not. What happened?

The fear of being perma banned made me take the break, and I still don't want to lose all the money I have put into skins. So I changed the way I play and communicate and even try to help others who get pissed off.

PERMA BAN POLICY CHANGE SUGGESTION

Make the perma ban policy have a one year limit, which may only be lifted upon the request of the player and upon the discretion of the company to allow the player who has attempted to make a behavioral reform over the elapsed year. I think this is a very reasonable suggestion given my experience, and it allows people a long enough break to seriously consider their bad decisions while still giving an impactful removal and punishment for misconduct. If the player who was banned, starts acting up, they get on chat restriction, and another year ban period. That way its not too crazy with giving out another ban right away, and allows the players one emotionally bad game where they can say something and get that gentle reminder.

So, in essence Perma bans be changed to have a one year period with probation. This means if Riot feels the need to keep a person banned, they can, just as with their ToU, they reserve the right to ban any account for any reason, but making this punishment lengthy without being permanent still gives it teeth.

Thanks to those of you who actually read this whole post, and can consider my points. What do you guys think about this as a compromised change to the ban policy?

35 Comments

Imperial Pandaa11/23/2019, 6:45:55 PM8 votes

Here is the difference though. You voluntarily walked away from the game to reflect and improve. What do you think is going to happen with the year ban? Do you really think all the people punished are going to walk away like you did and come back? Some might, some may completely quit which is fine, but the argument so many people like to bring up against permabans is still here.

What about the ones who don't? What about the ones who just create a new account and continue to misbehave? They aren't reflecting. They also don't have to fear losing their account forever.

All your idea does is force them to play another account and not worry about losing access to stuff.

ModPeriscope11/23/2019, 6:58:04 PM6 votes

I upvoted your post. It seemed pretty well put together and appears open to discussion, and it's got a good vote poll.

I don't really think it should be implemented at this time. Losing all the content that you previously had should hurt and should be a sticking point about whether or not a player decides to come back and/or change their behavior. Added to that, if this were implemented, would Riot be setting the expectation that the next "permaban" would still be open to being overturned? There is some potential for players to benefit from this, but Permabanned players are in a very low percentile, who had ignored previous warning that they'd lose their things.

Fourth Shot11/23/2019, 7:43:32 PM3 votes

in my opinion permaban should be used only for cheating and inting,trolling more than twice.if u flame then u should get chat restriction for 1 month 3 months 1 year perma chatban idk .i just think losing real money cuz u flame is stupid cuz people can simply mute you and end it all

Imperial Pandaa11/23/2019, 8:02:21 PM2 votes

As of this post, there has not been clarity to how support would determine if a player deserves unbanned after a year. I am at work, so maybe it has been elaborated already and I just haven't refreshed. So here is my suggestion for the process. It sort of takes a page from the old lvl 20 challenge. That way it isn't passive like a 14 day ban.

At account creation, we add a question "Have you previously been Permabanned?" If ticked no, continue regular creation. If ticked yes, you must supply the Summoner name, Account name (assuming they can still be different), and email associated to the account. This is important as I would like to give these accounts a boost to level 15 and flagged as smurfs (which seeing as we work under the belief that smurfs get flagged and matched with smurfs, should be fine). Can also just have them start at lvl 1.

You have to be active and well behaved on this account. About as active as you were on the original account. This to prevent doing 1 game a week for a year just to get your account back (unless 1 game a week is normal of course). You must also remain true to preferred game modes, and since you linked accounts the knowledge os there. Meaning you can't just play bots or ARAM to get earn account back. If you were a rank grinder, once you hit 30 you would be expected to do ranked again. We can discuss transferring ranked rewards later.

Now, this isn't based off a calendar year and I feel that is important to note. It is a game time year, so however many hours you had in year previously is the year to serve. So if you played 10 hours a week, you are expected to clock 520 hours game time before requesting a review. That is active game time and not sitting in the menus.

Here comes the hardass part of my comment. Punishment Expansion. Keeping a clean account is important. I will be flexible for some of these numbers. Netting a punishment adds additional time on the main account, plus serving on this Reform Account. -10 game CR = another year on the main account to serve. -25 game CR = 2 more years on the main account. -14 day ban = 3 more years on main account. -Permanent Ban = 5 more years plus 1 year cooldown for linking another account.

-LPQ (just in case people afk to avoid punishment) = 3-6 months scaling for each instance

Now, I'm not completely unreasonable. You've shared how you can get punished multiple times and reform. So if you get punished on this Reform Account, you can earn credit by climbing back up honor lvls. Hitting Honor 3, 4, and 5 after getting a punishment will restore 4 months of credit. Meaning you can earn off some of the Additional Punishments; up to 1 year until the Additional time is paid off.

How does this sound? Again, willing to be flexible/modify some things. Numbers mainly chosen for ease of explaining/discussing.

Arcade Andrew11/24/2019, 4:30:11 AM2 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/FAhjx7dJ-as-a-permanently-banned-player-i-feel-as-if-riot-should-offer-1year5year10yearect-bans-instead check out my post on this, I agree with you there should be a policy change

KFCeytron11/24/2019, 12:52:14 PM1 votes

I'm not sure I follow your chain of thought. You were warned to change your behavior or face a permaban, so you shaped up and avoided a permaban. Therefore, people who don't shape up, even to avoid a permaban... shouldn't be permabanned? I don't think so. People who would rather continue to be toxic than retain access to their account aren't going to improve and should simply be permabanned. The system is intended to protect players who behave themselves, not help toxic trolls keep their stuff while they ruin the game for others. Toxic players should go find something else to do with their time.

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