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Why can't Rito Disable chat for repeat toxic offenders

dXwP62e8N9··2 votes·1,162 views

I am wondering why Rito can't just Perma MUTE people being toxic or are repeat offenders. Or even minimize the sentence like to 1 year ban. Also the MUTE BUTTON works BOTH WAYS! I can sympathize with some of these guys who are putting lots of money into their account. Is riot trying to weed out those kinds of people entirely? How much money does that small % contribute on a monetary level? Idk all in all PERMA BAN for bad behavior just seems down right silly in a PVP game. People play this game for fun! The last thing I want to do is come home from work to relax and game just to do MORE work training players.... That is not my job to do so nor should riot be positioning it's players to do so. If I want to help other players out I should have that option and not be force fed player to player responsibility. The ban hammer is getting out of control because PLAYERS are troll especially gold tier and below. It is what it is I guess. Have a good day rito.

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Astôlfo7 votes

Because they can be banned permanently instead.

No one gives a shit how much money or time they spent. It's irrelevant. They don't deserve to play. And the amount they contribute to income is jackshit.

Don't like it? Then behave properly or don't play.

OneTrickZilian1 votes

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Because they can be banned permanently instead.

No one gives a shit how much money or time they spent. It's irrelevant. They don't deserve to play. And the amount they contribute to income is jackshit.

Don't like it? Then behave properly or don't play.

I wish that would be the case with feeders. After all the feeders are the reason of other players frustration.

dXwP62e8N91 votes

They don't get to the root of the problem is my point. The system is just a Band aid and a bad one at that especially when the end result is perma ban for any multitude of reasons

fumiefan1 votes

You're right man and I've been arguing it here for a while, but people don't want to hear anything involving Riot failing.

Nothing's going to change as long as things stay the same. Banned players will just return, people are going to be continued to be banned for pre-school level trashtalk and Riot will sit in their safe space where "nothing is wrong". Eventually so many people are going to be banned that no one will be left to play.

dXwP62e8N92 votes

I don't think it will get to the point that there will be no one left to play but for real there needs to be MORE buffer in a PVP game where tempers can run hot it happens. For example, after 2 week ban it jumps to 3 months. 2 weeks is hardly enough time to reform when you are who you are. Habits don't break in 14 days it takes approx 31 days to change a bad habit. They should at least give you that if they are all about BE THE BETTER PLAYER BLAH BLAH balogna. or after 3 14 day suspensions your done. Idk man just seems way to easy to get Perma ban especially when riot is now scanning chats in game??? really..... so now you don't even have to get reported you just get flagged automatically....

dXwP62e8N92 votes

You sound mad lol, relax. You're not one of them I'll offer my 2 cents but I play the game for free kind of guys are ya? If so then you don't really have a leg to stand on since you do not understand what it is like have money invested into a game and have it taken away from you.

Astôlfo3 votes

? I spent quite a lot of money as well. It's not taken away from you. Your argument is invalid and hereby dismissed.

fumiefan1 votes

Don't like it? Then behave properly or don't play.

More like: Don't like it? Make a new account for free. Most serious players have a second account anyway.

AeroWaffle7 votes

Think of it this way,

Why did a post-perma banned player rage in chat (assuming that's what they are banned for), even if they knew by then that it's something that could get them banned? Because they didn't have the self control to keep their anger out of the game.

If you ban chat from them, the self-control issue doesn't change. You just plugged one outlet for their rage. There are still plenty of ways to piss off teammates if you wanted to without using chat. And many of those ways are much harder to detect.

dXwP62e8N91 votes

I understand where you are coming from however I disagree about it only plugging one outlet. Most people even in a fit of rage for the most part are voicing an opinion even if loaded with frustration these players are still playing the game for what it is during the actual game. They don't then decide they are just going to feed every game. Behavioral modification happens when you have impose restrictions not prison.

TrulyBland3 votes

It's not about feeding every game, or even specifically feeding. There are a bunch of low-key ways to piss of your team. And this isn't just a theory, it's actually what happened when Riot tested only issuing chat restrictions for chat related behaviour.

And while you are right about imposing restrictions to modify behaviour, that's exactly the reason why the punishment curve is so steep. When people do not react to the first two chat restrictions, there is already only a small chance (statistically speaking) that they will improve their behaviour regardless of the amount of additional punishments. And when people keep acting up after receiving a two-week ban, that chance basically drops to zero.

dXwP62e8N91 votes

A bad habit is a bad habit. Kicking bad habits do not happen in 2 weeks. It is a known FACT that it takes anywhere from 18-66 days to kick a bad habit period. Riot can run the game how they want it's their game but if you are going to use statistics of your in game metrics to punish people then at least use your brains and apply the science behind behavioral modification.

ModPrandine2 votes

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A bad habit is a bad habit. Kicking bad habits do not happen in 2 weeks. It is a known FACT that it takes anywhere from 18-66 days to kick a bad habit period. Riot can run the game how they want it's their game but if you are going to use statistics of your in game metrics to punish people then at least use your brains and apply the science behind behavioral modification.

There's no rule that says that the player has to play again immediately after their 2-week ban expires. If they need more time to get their behavior under control then they can just not play the game for however long it takes them. Ultimately though it's their choice whether they take the time to reflect on their behavior or not, just like it's their choice on whether to play again immediately following a 2-week ban or not.

dXwP62e8N91 votes

This is True.

TrulyBland2 votes

Kicking bad habits do not happen in 2 weeks.

Well, then it's good that you don't only have two weeks to reform, isn't it? The two-week ban is the final attempt, not the first. If you haven't even started trying to fix your behaviour at this point, then yeah, it's very likely you will be permabanned. But if you choose to ignore punishments, that's always on you.

AeroWaffle4 votes

People can still give an 'opinion' loaded with frustration through means other than chat. There's usually reasoning behind a lot of the trolling (at least in the eyes of the troll). It's actually really rare I come across a person that enters the lobby with an intent to troll. Someone often trolls because they're reacting to something.

The question mark ping is prime example. I see it spammed all the time when someone makes a questionable play. Then when it's mentioned, spend the entire match pinging someone just to annoy them.

Playing as support and the ADC doesn't know how to CS properly? I guess it's time to intentionally start fighting over CS since they don't know how to take it.

Playing as ADC and the support taking CS? I guess they want to be in the lane by themselves, time to go to another lane.

Someone banned my pick? I guess they want us to lose, time to troll so the game finishes faster.

Teammates not helping in engagements the way you want? I guess they don't want to fight and it's time to afk farm for the rest of the round.

Someone playing an off-meta pick for their role (and I don't agree with it)? I'll show them how stupid it is by also playing an "off-meta" pick. AP Vayne sounds good.

dXwP62e8N91 votes

Very rarely have I EVER encountered someone consistently doing any one of those things. Chat restrictions solve most of the issues. As it was said you have players getting banned for merely reacting to these shit players who are consistently in 3 out of 5 games. Saying they are ban worthy for retaliating is a load of crap. Is it right? probably not but how can you ban someone based solely off trying to talk sense into a bad player. OR how about just BANNING them from ranked!

AeroWaffle3 votes

It's extremely rare you come across a perma-banned player who didn't have the self-control to keep their poor behavior out of chat.

Because they are banned.

The remainder of players learned to exert some level of self-control.

EndlessSorcerer4 votes

They tried it before.

It just led to toxic players venting their frustrations through other methods (i.e. intentionally feeding, trolling, ping spamming, etc).

Riot has millions of paying customers. However, toxic players ruin the experience for other customer and excising them from the community benefits far more people.

God knows that if someone with a gym membership went around insulting and harassing other patrons, they'd be kicked out and have their membership revoked.

ModPrandine3 votes

Riot tried something similar to this in the form of permanent chat restrictions. Basically people would stack up tons and tons of CR's to the point where they could never really work it off. What Riot found is that allot of the people with very high amounts of chat restrictions would just turn to other forms of griefing instead, such as gameplay trolling, intentionally feeding, intentionally leaving/afking, etc.

That's one of the big reasons as to why they changed the punishment system to work on 4 levels being as followed:

10-game chat restriction. 25-game chat restriction. 2-week ban. Permanent ban.

Players who show consistent and actual reformation efforts can eventually drop down tiers one at a time.

You're right, this is a game that people play for fun, and having to deal with people who only want to rage and flame at others at the first sign of trouble is not fun. Yes there is a mute button but that's no excuse. Think of it this way: the more time one spends raging and flaming at someone the less time that they're spending actually playing the game itself. Kei143 made a post that talks a little about it and it goes as followed:

When Riot permabans someone, their philosophy is "the chances of this guy reforming isn't a whole lot, we'd rather not have him in the game". Thus in their eyes, they have already written off the toxic player as a paying client.

From a business standpoint, do they want to remove the toxic guy who has spent $500 but is causing a negative environment for 4-9 other players in every game? Those non-toxics are also spending $500 and probably will spend more, promote the game more when they are enjoying the game AND they won't cause a negative environment.

I personally think it is a fine argument to protect the ones that are paying money and aren't toxic rather than protecting the ones that may pay the same amount but are toxic.

dXwP62e8N91 votes

You nailed it right on the head "THEIR PHILOSOPHY" Backed by nothing. They have created a punishment system without taking into account anything psychological as far as behavioral modification goes. I KNOW this because they have proved it by having a 2 week ban system and are expecting players to reform in to short a time span.

ModPrandine2 votes

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You nailed it right on the head "THEIR PHILOSOPHY" Backed by nothing. They have created a punishment system without taking into account anything psychological as far as behavioral modification goes. I KNOW this because they have proved it by having a 2 week ban system and are expecting players to reform in to short a time span.

That's just it though, they DO understand that people get frustrated from time to time, and it's exactly why they don't punish people for having an off day/game or two, only punishing those who show consistent negative behavior. Also, people can indeed reform after a chat restriction/two-week ban, but they have to be willing to put in the time and effort that it takes to do so. I remember reading a thread a couple months back of someone who said that they got a 2-week ban but reformed enough so that when he got punished again he got a (if I recall correctly) 25-game chat restriction rather than a 2-week ban.

Yes it's very rare for people receiving 2-week bans to reform but it can happen so long as the person in question is willing to try to do so.

eufleuria2 votes

So basically what you're saying is you want those same people who got perm banned for contributing a terrible experience to the game - to continue providing a terrible experience through other means ? I give no sympathy to those who spend money and give a bad experience. Riot didnt take the money away from them. Those players willingly gave up their money and wasted their time building up their accounts only to lose it by being a nuisance.

Perm banned players are basically enraged about their consequences for enraging other players. How ironic.

If those banned players want to continue making new accounts to only get banned again. Then so be it. They are just wasting their own time gaining nothing and making no progress when they can just go and play another game or get into another hobby. I just dont understand why those people are fighting to change something they already agreed to when signing up a new account - Terms of Service or in Riots case, Terms of Use. If people dont like what is on there, then they should simply dont bother playing.

dXwP62e8N91 votes

Do you not understand that they just make another account and repeat the process over and over. If they are going to go this route they might as well just go as far as banning IP's.

fumiefan1 votes

I've been banned twice and am still playing. You could be ban me 10 times and it won't change anything.

OneTrickZilian1 votes

Supposedly toxic people trolls more when their chat is restricted. Or, I believe, other players think he is trolling since they can't communicate and know his intentions. Anyway, you can mute yourself if that's the problem.

fumiefan1 votes

Dota puts people in low priority queue for feeding/disconnecting/trashtalking in game and it works a lot better. Punished players get teamed up with their own in low priority queue. No one gets banned, so people don't have to keep making new accounts like myself.

I've been banned twice in League, I'm still playing. Ban me again, I'll jut make a new account. There's nothing you can do.

I don't feed and I don't troll, but I do get into it with people. I've asked for chat restrictions and Riot has refused. A long chat restriction would make the game better for me and everyone else in it, while a ban ensures nothing changes.

dXwP62e8N91 votes

^ basically yea that is my point. Banning just further accelerates the problem. K dude lost his whole account and got banned, now just makes new accounts and pisses people off on purpose and has fun while doing it. I have run in to a lot of these kinds of people. It is not a productive solution to the problem running rabid in LoL.

IA9hRfpP5q1 votes

muf speech freedom

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