Is saying we can't win considered toxic?

Cryptík·3/29/2019, 7:57:31 PM·3 votes·4,280 views

If I say that "we can't win" and that i gave up after a while of the game and still played the game out and stopped talking after that (Mostly because I have a chat restriction but also because I didn't wanna make them angrier anyway), is that toxic? I didn't do anything except say that we couldn't win and that we should ff, and they didn't ff so I kept playing it out, did nothing wrong and in post-game chat i just gave the same argument but all of them said "saying you give up is toxic". So I want an opinion, is this toxic? Or are they overreacting?

23 Comments

Sukishoo3/29/2019, 9:59:38 PM3 votes

It's negative, but not really toxic. If you were to just stand around spamming it then it could probably be considered toxic.

Jo0o3/29/2019, 8:08:28 PM3 votes

Not really. If you spam it or otherwise try to drag down your team, that’s when it becomes toxic. It’s perfectly fine and natural to occasionally get discouraged, just down make it everybody else’s problem.

King of Zion3/29/2019, 9:51:59 PM3 votes

That's the thing.

If you are 4 manned the whole first 15 minutes of the game and your jungle/bot have lost the first 15 minutes, and you say, ONE TIME, "We are going to lose", or, "We can't win this," I myself do not consider this toxic behavior, especially if you are analyzing the current game and you understand what it takes to win.

I agree, it is not the best thing to say, but that's the WONDERFUL thing about LoL, you can't type an essay explaining why you think the team will lose the game, because then a multitude of things can happen - example you will be banned for spamming, etc, and your team will think you are spending more time typing than playing.

I have played this game since season 1. Do you know what I have found out? 9/10 games will have someone in it, who is doing lackluster and not their best, and will speak out about it. It's called being human.

What I think is a bigger problem, is when a neutral comment is made, and it is interpreted another way by another person of a different INTELLIGENCE level. And there it is, the elephant in the room, yes, intelligence, comprehension, critical thinking and problem solving. All go hand in hand when analyzing something and making an educated guess.

If my team was overwhelmed by the enemy team, and we were all in unanimous agreement that the other team obviously was more coordinated, and accepted that we may not win, is that not MORE constructive than arguing with the person having a bad game and making things worse?

Just some thoughts from a long time LoL player.

ModPrandine3/29/2019, 8:08:03 PM2 votes

By itself and so long as it's not being spammed every few seconds/minutes I wouldn't necessarily consider that toxic. It's defeatist behavior sure, but again by itself and so long as it's not being spammed every few seconds/minutes is not something I would consider punish worthy.

Vreivai3/29/2019, 10:51:56 PM2 votes

The IFS does appear to punish for consistently negative attitude, so if you do it often you may get chat restricted.

Telephone Booth3/29/2019, 9:51:40 PM2 votes

No, its not toxic by itself. Arguements around it and how you respond might get toxic very quickly.

Mirgata3/29/2019, 8:48:16 PM2 votes

I sometimes get motivated from a teammate saying it. I take it as a challenge

Inkling Commando3/30/2019, 1:50:23 AM1 votes

no but it is considered grieving and giving up.

DamItEzreal4/2/2019, 5:18:37 AM1 votes

its negative attitude/griefing highly un-acceptable and reportable you may surreder but dont say anything and give up

Arcade Lulu3/29/2019, 8:08:27 PM1 votes

Technically yes, it's toxic. 'cause you gave up

Hotarµ3/29/2019, 8:09:24 PM1 votes

Yeah, I think most people would consider that toxic behavior. It shows that you're giving up and aren't trying your hardest which is never acceptable.

Honestly, saying it and doing it are two different things. If you're trying but saying something like "I don't know if we can win this" then it's probably fine. You're not going to get punished for that. Just stay positive and focus on the game.

Kei1433/29/2019, 8:11:41 PM1 votes

People have been punished for being consistently negative.

GatekeeperTDS3/29/2019, 8:12:57 PM1 votes

Eh, in this case I wouldn't use the word toxic, but it sure is negative. The point of the game, which is backed by the rules, is to continue to try until a Nexus explodes or you surrender. Saying "we can't win" isn't helpful...and it's subjective, meaning it's an opinion.

Ahri Baka3/29/2019, 9:45:20 PM1 votes

It's Negative, and negativity is toxicity

But I don't think they ban people for it

SirHouse3/30/2019, 12:36:06 AM1 votes

I don't find it helpful at all and very negative. More times than not -in my experience - when a player says this - they check out mentally and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.