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Pre-Game ban trolling - A Workaround

Sehuani··1 votes·450 views

Recently I had a friend ban the champion I intended to play as a joke. He thought it would be funny, it wasn't. I reacted poorly by deciding to "run it down mid" the entire game. My own friend reported me, and I got banned for 14 days. This was my first ban ever in League of Legends. It seems almost unfair that my friend gets to troll without repercussions, but when I attempt to troll I get punished.

I began thinking, how could I have avoided this situation? For starters, I could have just played the game out on a viable pick, and not fed the enemy team. But what about the pre-game issue (when my champion got banned by my friend)? How could I have solved that? The answer is, I couldn't have. There is no way to prevent someone from banning the champion you intend to play, seeing as how all Summoner's are able to ban who they want. How can Riot fix this issue?

It goes without saying that bans are an important part of playing a match of League. There is strategy behind the game before it even starts. Riot needs to keep bans in. However, Riot also let's you choose a champion that you intend to play before the banning phase begins. This notifies your team what kind of role you are thinking about filling throughout the game, whether that be tank, dps, support, off-tank, etc.

Why doesn't Riot make it so when you choose a champion before banning phase, that champion becomes unbannable by your team and your team only. The other team would still be able to ban that champion, and your team would not be able to "troll" you by banning the same champion. This is my suggestion, tell me what you guys think. Maybe we can get this change implemented.

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ModThe Djinn3 votes

{quoted}Why doesn't Riot make it so when you choose a champion before banning phase, that champion becomes unbannable by your team and your team only. The other team would still be able to ban that champion, and your team would not be able to "troll" you by banning the same champion. This is my suggestion, tell me what you guys think. Maybe we can get this change implemented.

Imagine that a champion (let's say Malzahar, as there's been a lot of complaining about him lately) is SUPER strong in lane. He's lane defining, and my 4th pick wants him, but the enemy has first pick. I really struggle against Malz, and I don't want to play on a team against him. I ask if our first pick or second pick have him to trade to our mid -- and they don't. That's now THREE picks the enemy would get to pick up a game-defining champion.

Suddenly I can't ban this super-strong, probably-selected champion that I feel SHOULD be banned so the enemy team doesn't get him. That's an awful feeling to have going in to ranked.

Riot knows they can't make everyone happy, and they've opted onto letting each player get their own ban.

Sehuani1 votes

I see where you're coming from. Let me put this thought into your head.

You prefer not to play against malzahar because he is "broken", or you just don't know how to play against him. This gives you the option to ban him, which from what you said, I'm guessing you do just about every game.

You want to make progress in League right? There has to be a way to defeat a Malzahar through sheer skill. So if your teammate had picked Malzahar in pre-game (making him unbannable), you have a chance to be FORCED to play against him.

Although on the surface this seems bad, your really just giving yourself practice against the champion. And if you can't ban Malzahar, you can just ban someone else. I guarantee there is some viable pick for you ban even if you could not ban Malzahar.

In short, you can't ban Malzahar, so ban the next best thing. You 1) have a chance to get practice against this champion or 2) have a chance that the champion won't be picked anyways.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}You prefer not to play against malzahar because he is "broken", or you just don't know how to play against him. This gives you the option to ban him, which from what you said, I'm guessing you do just about every game.

I actually don't care what gets banned -- I was using that as an example. I'll play anything into anything. :P

You want to make progress in League right? There has to be a way to defeat a Malzahar through sheer skill. So if your teammate had picked Malzahar in pre-game (making him unbannable), you have a chance to be FORCED to play against him.

"This will force you to get better" is not a good argument against denying a player the opportunity to avoid a personal frustration they have. The game is about fun, and if you won't have fun playing against a certain character, then you should be able to ban it. Not everyone really WANTS to improve, and not everyone WANTS to get practice playing against something they hate. Hell, it could be like my friend and Blitzcrank -- he wins against Blitzcrank. He knows how to play against Blitzcrank. He just HATES PLAYING AGAINST BLITZCRANK.

Sehuani1 votes

If this game is about fun then why do people get the intentionally ban the champion I intend to have fun with?

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}

If this game is about fun then why do people get the intentionally ban the champion I intend to have fun with?

See my first comment: Riot had to make a choice on banning taking priority or picking taking priority, and they went with banning taking priority. They are, I suspect, fully aware that both decisions have ups and downs.

scazzman1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UyRcWhQy,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-05T05:19:35.059+0000)

See my first comment: Riot had to make a choice on banning taking priority or picking taking priority, and they went with banning taking priority. They are, I suspect, fully aware that both decisions have ups and downs.

what about this. take away champion bans altogether. problem solved

LukeTheSheppy1 votes

Were you here for when Kassadin was literally the most broken thing in the game? As in 98% ban rate broken?

Yeah, I don't think I'd like to be forced to play against that.

Lyndris1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UyRcWhQy,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-05T01:27:56.815+0000)

I actually don't care what gets banned -- I was using that as an example. I'll play anything into anything. :P

Nice, I agree with that sentiment :D

Hell, it could be like my friend and Blitzcrank -- he wins against Blitzcrank. He knows how to play against Blitzcrank. He just HATES PLAYING AGAINST BLITZCRANK.

Also, this is me too. I don't have an issue with him (or his pals in the grabbing game, Thresh and Naut) but he makes bot lane, and if good enough the game, all about him... basically.

And to the OP, I can not tell you how many times I have decided not to ban a teammates champion and the enemy team picks it up. This always tilts them some what, and in rare cases, can cause them to troll/int/yada yada. Stuff happens we don't like, and while I make the decision not to ban an allies champ usually, banning comes first and everyone gets one, just learn to live with it.

Zaraky Kenpachi1 votes

Get better, that's not a reason to ban your teammate pick because you struggle against that champ. If you can't counter it, move to another lane or dodge. Anyway, even if you ban Malz, theres a ton of other champ the enemy can go and rekt you with it such as Veigar, Karatina etc. So then, you're goign to ban your teammate choice over your lack of skill or other champ that could cause danger?

I got 25chat resitriction cuz of that stupidity ban from teammate and I trolled gamer afterward, it's just stupid lol. Your champ, if highlighted BEFORE the ban phase, should prevent your teammate to ban him and if your team(you as well) want that champ ban, well you could actually ban it yourself but not your teammate.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

In theory I like your idea, but in practice it would not hold up.

Why don't you do what I do instead? Hover something similar to what you want to play, so your team knows the general role / playstyle you intend to use, and wait to hover your actual choice until after they finish ban phase.

This way your team still knows your playstyle and can coordinate bans to get rid of things that might counter you, but there is no possible way for them to know who you intend to play so if they ban that champion then you will know it wasn't to troll you but was instead out of fear of playing against it.

This protects their freedom to ban who they don't want to play against while also protecting you from somebody who would maliciously ban your intended pick because if they do they just ban the other thing that you only pretended to want to play.

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