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One versus Nine. Inside the perspective of a fan, a player, a coach.

G3 Legacy·11/21/2018, 11:29:54 PM·3 votes·2,487 views

Hello everyone, I would like to begin this article in which I will discuss my thoughts on improvement with a thank you for everyone who has taken time out of their day to read this. My name is Erik Emanuel or Legacy. I have been a coach in the challenger scene in seasons 5 and 6, A owner of a amateur team trying to make it into the NACS, and most importantly a fan of the esports scene since season 3. Some of the teams that I coached on were Mentality gaming, Zenith Esports (briefly.), Avalanche Esports, LAGG Esports, and many others. I have gotten the great privilege of working with and learning from people who have since made it pro or into the academy league. I got into coaching by streaming vod reviews and to put a long story short spending the better part of season 3 4 and 5 watching vods and doing analysis for hour upon hours a day. Since then I have achieved micro and macro understand to direct tactics and strategy for amateur challenger teams with aspirations of making it into the nacs.

The reason that I have not continued my path of coaching starts at why I started coaching. I have always had a hunger to achieve a world championship for North America. I put college on hold. I put relationships career and life on hold to pursue my dream as unrealistic as it was. I spent many days working hard and tirelessly going over coaching theory and vods upon vods of gameplay. After two years of failure, Real life situations including parents divorce, and a serious relationship ending I ran into a severe social anxiety and depression. My confidence started dipping. I began to think I was the problem and I quit. Skip a few chapters of my life I began to get back to a happier state of mind and thought I was ready to try again as a player. I got coaching from coaches in the scene I worked with. reviewed my own vods, and worked hard. I was still meeting failure. Only peaking platinum level gameplay. When I got advice from coaches I was told that my macro view of the game is beyond the macro level of solo que. And this brings me past the introduction to discuss player mentality and whats happening as a result of it.

Im sure everyone can relate to those famous griefers that ruin games and do not care whether they win or lose, they just want to see their teammates suffer because of pride and ego that they made a mistake. It has gotten to a point where it goes beyond that to every game. Because of the toxic nature of solo que players have a very hard time listening to each other with a common goal of improvement and victory. In fact if you try to discuss methods of changing gameplay, strategy, or even basic macro itself in solo que you are 99 times out of 100 met with opposition. You are met with people claiming you don't know what youre talking about even though you are 11/3 and they are 2/12. There is something (I call it pride or ego) that limits the player to take in anything anyone else says because of how toxic the vast majority of solo que players are. This toxicity has led to mistakes being shameful. People telling each other to kill themselves. Bullying. People have a inside fear of being the reason they lose. When they make a mistake and they know it if you bring it up you are met with "muted." Which leads to my 3 years of macro understanding and in game leadership to be 100 percent completely useless. So I have tried to adapt. Be a solo carry. And for some reason the more I try being the solo carry the more troll comps I run into with all 5 players picking carries etc etc. Ive tried changing roles. Ive tried changing playstyle. Maybe all this change has stunted my climb. Ive always thought how do pro players do it. And after change. Failure. Change failure. Change Failure. I began to develop anger issues. These evil people in solo que constantly at work to hold you back. And if you offer advice you are met with further opposition than if you had just stayed quiet.

The reason this exist is shame of making a mistake. And fear of claiming responsibility. Not saying I am right every single time every time. But as a coach at a high level for 3 years it was way easier gaining the respect of challenger players than it was gold players. Ego was the issue. I can not count how many times ive been told I have no fucking clue. I can not count how many times ive been told im wrong over very basic concepts regarding macro win conditions. I have quit multiple times to always be brought back by my hunger. And if I had a answer I could do it. But where I tend to meet people who disagree with me is when I say there is a level of luck in solo que. No im not saying im as good as a challenger player and I get unlucky teams. What im saying is. Assuming everyone is at a similar level. but you have hard feeders whether it be on your team or the enemies it makes it hard to have improvement in mind when the game seems to be not who has the best player. but who has the worst. it makes quality of game playing as a 6/1 vs a 12/0 very low and improvement hard to obtain because the focus of the game becomes how to stop a tilter or feeder or someone who is a key win condition play to those win conditions without telling them because they wont listen. It takes the focus away from your own gameplay. and ive tried the carry concept maybe ive given up to easily but as someone who sees the game in a very large picture besides how it affects me directly its hard to see how to control this wildcards. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=g3+legacy

As you can see in my games. there are very few wins where ive gotten carried. There is a game here and there. where I just do alright and win. But 70 percent of my games are about consistency and playing "perfect" (yes I know I didn't play perfect games. I mean that as heavily limiting the amount of mistakes you make and focus on playing a very solid good consistent game.) most of my wins ive had to pop off. And that is a lot of pressure to have to consistently play every single game like its life or death.

Anyways, im curious on everyones thoughts. Any solutions to this mentality? Any suggestions for my playstyle? Would you like some coaching (if I have free time.) Would you like to play together? Im curious if theres anyone who sees this reality the way I see it. One versus Nine. You vs the enemy and your own team

5 Comments

Kei14311/22/2018, 12:47:48 AM1 votes

Hi2u, silver support (zyra) main here. I suck at mechanics and I think that I am better at macro plays than micro plays.

That said, there is no macro in silver elo. Most players dont even understand basic wave management, they wonder why a wave keeps pushing towards us, they over push a wave and lose out on tempo or end up getting caught out.

They send 2 or even 3 people into a lane that already has a wave clear champ going there already, so they can get 1 CS, then they rage when they don't get any CS.

People can practice laning, they can practice CS and landing or dodging skill shots. But In order to practice macro, they have to have a basic understanding on how the games work.

This is not something that is taught in the tutorial, nor would bronzies that slow climb would learn. Many people would need this aspect of the game explained to them.

In high tension games, it's hard to explain everything, especially if they don't know the basics.

When see my team mates play zyra, I get to see alot of things they aren't doing, but could be. I don't try to educate them on the spot, but instead I request them to stay after the game to discuss things. Whether they agree or not, I make sure they are focused on the game at hand and I make sure to keep calm, as I know I am more knowledgeable and they are learning, so it's ok for them to make mistakes.

I don't need to win everything, I just need to win enough to reach my goal.

After the game, we either just chat it out in post game, we do custom games, or even duo together. There is a high chance they can be on voice chat and discussions and explainations become alot easier.

BeatleZzz11/22/2018, 3:37:14 AM1 votes

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Hello everyone, I would like to begin this article in which I will discuss my thoughts on improvement with a thank you for everyone who has taken time out of their day to read this. My name is Erik Emanuel or Legacy. I have been a coach in the challenger scene in seasons 5 and 6, A owner of a amateur team trying to make it into the NACS, and most importantly a fan of the esports scene since season 3. Some of the teams that I coached on were Mentality gaming, Zenith Esports (briefly.), Avalanche Esports, LAGG Esports, and many others. I have gotten the great privilege of working with and learning from people who have since made it pro or into the academy league. I got into coaching by streaming vod reviews and to put a long story short spending the better part of season 3 4 and 5 watching vods and doing analysis for hour upon hours a day. Since then I have achieved micro and macro understand to direct tactics and strategy for amateur challenger teams with aspirations of making it into the nacs.

The reason that I have not continued my path of coaching starts at why I started coaching. I have always had a hunger to achieve a world championship for North America. I put college on hold. I put relationships career and life on hold to pursue my dream as unrealistic as it was. I spent many days working hard and tirelessly going over coaching theory and vods upon vods of gameplay. After two years of failure, Real life situations including parents divorce, and a serious relationship ending I ran into a severe social anxiety and depression. My confidence started dipping. I began to think I was the problem and I quit. Skip a few chapters of my life I began to get back to a happier state of mind and thought I was ready to try again as a player. I got coaching from coaches in the scene I worked with. reviewed my own vods, and worked hard. I was still meeting failure. Only peaking platinum level gameplay. When I got advice from coaches I was told that my macro view of the game is beyond the macro level of solo que. And this brings me past the introduction to discuss player mentality and whats happening as a result of it.

Im sure everyone can relate to those famous griefers that ruin games and do not care whether they win or lose, they just want to see their teammates suffer because of pride and ego that they made a mistake. It has gotten to a point where it goes beyond that to every game. Because of the toxic nature of solo que players have a very hard time listening to each other with a common goal of improvement and victory. In fact if you try to discuss methods of changing gameplay, strategy, or even basic macro itself in solo que you are 99 times out of 100 met with opposition. You are met with people claiming you don't know what youre talking about even though you are 11/3 and they are 2/12. There is something (I call it pride or ego) that limits the player to take in anything anyone else says because of how toxic the vast majority of solo que players are. This toxicity has led to mistakes being shameful. People telling each other to kill themselves. Bullying. People have a inside fear of being the reason they lose. When they make a mistake and they know it if you bring it up you are met with "muted." Which leads to my 3 years of macro understanding and in game leadership to be 100 percent completely useless. So I have tried to adapt. Be a solo carry. And for some reason the more I try being the solo carry the more troll comps I run into with all 5 players picking carries etc etc. Ive tried changing roles. Ive tried changing playstyle. Maybe all this change has stunted my climb. Ive always thought how do pro players do it. And after change. Failure. Change failure. Change Failure. I began to develop anger issues. These evil people in solo que constantly at work to hold you back. And if you offer advice you are met with further opposition than if you had just stayed quiet.

The reason this exist is shame of making a mistake. And fear of claiming responsibility. Not saying I am right every single time every time. But as a coach at a high level for 3 years it was way easier gaining the respect of challenger players than it was gold players. Ego was the issue. I can not count how many times ive been told I have no fucking clue. I can not count how many times ive been told im wrong over very basic concepts regarding macro win conditions. I have quit multiple times to always be brought back by my hunger. And if I had a answer I could do it. But where I tend to meet people who disagree with me is when I say there is a level of luck in solo que. No im not saying im as good as a challenger player and I get unlucky teams. What im saying is. Assuming everyone is at a similar level. but you have hard feeders whether it be on your team or the enemies it makes it hard to have improvement in mind when the game seems to be not who has the best player. but who has the worst. it makes quality of game playing as a 6/1 vs a 12/0 very low and improvement hard to obtain because the focus of the game becomes how to stop a tilter or feeder or someone who is a key win condition play to those win conditions without telling them because they wont listen. It takes the focus away from your own gameplay. and ive tried the carry concept maybe ive given up to easily but as someone who sees the game in a very large picture besides how it affects me directly its hard to see how to control this wildcards. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=g3+legacy

As you can see in my games. there are very few wins where ive gotten carried. There is a game here and there. where I just do alright and win. But 70 percent of my games are about consistency and playing "perfect" (yes I know I didn't play perfect games. I mean that as heavily limiting the amount of mistakes you make and focus on playing a very solid good consistent game.) most of my wins ive had to pop off. And that is a lot of pressure to have to consistently play every single game like its life or death.

Anyways, im curious on everyones thoughts. Any solutions to this mentality? Any suggestions for my playstyle? Would you like some coaching (if I have free time.) Would you like to play together? Im curious if theres anyone who sees this reality the way I see it. One versus Nine. You vs the enemy and your own team

Sent you a friend request if you're still around. I'll tell you my discord or skype or whatever you use when you add me there. Don't want to post it here :) happy thanksgiving.