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How long till you ban this famous streamer?

Snowman Arc·4/26/2018, 12:43:07 PM·5 votes·3,370 views
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How long till this guy, who is a famous streamer, finally gets banned? I watched his stream, randomly, for the first time today, to see what he is all about and then checked his op.gg.

In the 3 games I watched, he literally did the same thing over and over again, which led to him dying over and over again. EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I'm gonna go on and assume that in the games where he had 12 deaths or something, he kept doing the same thing; dying stupidly.

I understand the need to splitpush, but dying over and over again gives the enemy the freedom to play 5v4 for the next 30 seconds or something, while also granting them gold.

If that wasn't enough, the guy keeps ignoring his team's suggestions to stop solo pushing and dying, while also spamming the surrender button and keeping on flaming and blaming his teammates on chat.

How the fuck is this

  1. accepted gameplay-wise? The guy is essentially doing the same thing and dying for it. Isn't that inting? Also, he's not communicating with his team and even flames them sometimes.
  2. good example of the game? Seeing how this guy has quite a lot of viewers on Twitch, it makes the game look bad. New players coming into the game might get to watch this guy, and consider this to be correct behavior. Essentially inting, and then blaming it to his team, while complaining about everything about the game.

EDIT: Seeing all these replies makes me wonder about your sanity, so I'll attempt an example where you might find yourselves into.

Let's assume you are in a game, where your top laner is 0/4/0. It can happen. Also, let's assume that you are the ADC in that game, and you have a lead over the enemy, as does the mid laner, the jungler and your support. Essentially, 4 players are ahead and one player is behind. Now, that one player (assume Jax) keeps trying to go solo and split push to attempt to take a tower. Because his ability to do so isn't good, and he can't push fast enough and he isn't strong enough to 1v1, and there is no vision around him, he almost reaches the enemy tower and dies. In the meanwhile, the enemy team has pushed out your minions, so you can't really take advantage of the number's advantage while they send people to kill Jax. After Jax dies, the enemy team is able to use that 5v4 adv to gain more advs over the map. Jax does this again 1 minute later, and dies again, and the enemy team gets more advs. You then politely ask Jax to stop doing that and help in some other way. He ignores you, calls you useless for being unable to carry him since you're fed, and keeps on splitpushing, only to die again.

Now, again, assume you are the ADC in this case, how would you deal with this? Eventually, you lose that game and the biggest reason is that Jax wouldn't listen and cost you the game, even after asking him repeatedly to stop doing it. Would you consider that inting? I would definitely report him for inting, at least because he didn't communicate with the ENTIRE team. Should he be punished? Depends. If it only happened in one game, then maybe he should be forgiven. Maybe he had a bad game. Maybe his strat didn't work in just that game.

What happens if this happens over the last 18 of his 20 games, though? What happens if in almost every game he plays, he is the main reason he loses, and never listens to the team? Is that acceptable? It vividly reminds me of the Singed support with smite situation, where the player had an incredibly low winrate with that strategy.

If you don't consider that inting, then I really don't understand your mindset and I'm probably too stupid to follow it.

58 Comments

Chermorg4/26/2018, 1:14:01 PM6 votes

So because he has a different idea of what the way to victory is, he deserves a ban?

Riot does not punish off meta ideas. Split pushing to the death is not punishable as long as they're trying to win. Very likely his team understands this and isn't reporting him for it either.

archerno14/26/2018, 1:16:46 PM6 votes

I assume thats Hashinshin? Ban him for what? Thats his playstyle that got him to Diamond and even in Master. He is always splitpushing.

Kaioko4/26/2018, 5:29:25 PM4 votes

Must be nice to only screenshot the losing games and ignore the win streaks. If your only argument is his play style -- you have no basis for it and are twisting the truth to fit you which is even worse.

Invidie4/26/2018, 1:56:32 PM3 votes

classic answer: people can have bad games! they have the freedom to build whatever they want, play however they want : )

Venompaw4/26/2018, 2:08:55 PM3 votes

Honestly, I wasn't attempting to manipulate. I just wanted to point out how having a big losing streak and keep trying the same thing you used to get that losing streak is wrong. The fact that it might have granted him a winning streak before doesn't mean he should blindly just keep using it. Also, it doesn't mean he should never use it again just because he got a losing streak either.

All I'm saying is that he (and all players) should adapt. And it's not like "oh look my strategy didn't work in one game and we lost because of it". I have lost games where my own strategy didn't work, but I learn from it and realize that if a similar situation occurs again, I should avoid that strategy because we will lose again. I'd consider myself inting, if I kept doing the same thing that lost me other games.

Based on this, you can't decide not to split push before the game even begins.

AeroWaffle4/26/2018, 2:33:02 PM3 votes
  1. accepted gameplay-wise? The guy is essentially doing the same thing and dying for it. Isn't that inting?

Intentional feeding implies that it's done to lose the game. As others have pointed out, his playstyle has the purpose of winning the game. Sometimes his playstyle involves him dying a lot because he is splitpushing, but you don't get to dictate how he shouldn't play as long as he is playing to win.

The Sword Saint4/26/2018, 7:02:38 PM2 votes

You are attempting to enforce your personal opinion on how people should be allowed to play the game. Even the best players don't win more than 60% of their matches at their own elo. Almost half the time they go to execute their strategies and fail.

What about the malphite player who sometimes has game winning ultimates and sometimes has game throwing ultimates, but always plays with the plan of going for the big 5 man? What about the jungler player who always goes for baron and elder calls which sometimes win or lose the game?

You don't have the right to dictate to others what their strategy for winning has to be in even a single game, let alone in all of them.

The penalty for having a bad strategy is losing elo, not your account.

Having a high risk, high reward playstyle that gives you a large amount of agency over the outcome of the game isn't against the rules. God forbid anyone try to take the limelight away from the adcs being the some determining factors of who wins a game by forcing the enemy team to constantly respond to your map pressure.

SenorBobbers4/26/2018, 4:09:33 PM2 votes

You don't know what "inting" means. Stop watching your little streamers for 5 bloody minutes and understand that it's short for "intentionally feeding". FEEDING. You CANNOT punish someone who's playing the game how he wants to play, nor can you report them for playing badly. He can only be punished if he INTENTIONALLY does something to ruin the game for everyone (FEEDING).

EDIT: Don't bother debating with him guys, he's gone into full child mode

45accspermadbtw4/26/2018, 5:16:16 PM2 votes

I'm going to assume hes the average NA player?

Arisha the Dark4/26/2018, 12:55:22 PM2 votes

Unfortunate consequence of capitalism. The more famous and rich you are, the more you can get away with before authorities do something about it.

League is not an exception. Streamers and professional players rarely get banned even for being openly toxic. It does happen sometimes, but not often enough for rest of them to stop.