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People are systematically rude, passive aggressive, and negative in this game

Zigior·7/9/2018, 10:54:40 AM·5 votes·2,486 views

I think your policies on the report system aren't very good. I seem to report people almost every game. This system has been in place a long time. It must be very ineffectual. Common examples, on all games winning or losing:

  • Spamming 3-4 ? pings on top of teammates that died
  • Spamming ? pings on top of someone missing a skillshot
  • General provocative and/or negative statements towards a person's ability at the game
  • Unsportsmanlike conduct in all chat

And in losing games, they will target randomly:

  • Anyone with a low K:D ratio with comments like "this
  • If they died to a gank of any kind repeated blaming of mid or jungler or both
  • After game chat gets really toxic

I read your policies on the game report system. You say anything negative you say back to these people can get you reports and actions on your account. This reminds me of being in grade school and someone bullies you, then you are sent to detention with the bully and blamed just as bad as him for telling them in strong terms to quit it. This has to be the definition of injustice, to judge things in a vacuum.

Your game supports a level of negativity and toxicity that is fairly constant and it has worsened my mood and emotional well being to be subjected to it so much. Continued exposure to it has a negative effect on my real life. You seem to be ok with all the above listed levels of negativity and toxicity being in your game. It seems you're ok with people being mean spirited and negative to each other on a very consistent basis.

Your policies make it so that players will eventually either be ok with taking this kind of abuse toward them or try and defend themselves against it. In the first case this isn't good for anyone's personal well being and in the second case, you'd punish them, probably worse, since replying tends to escalate things. So it seems in reality, you are nurturing toxicity to a certain degree by letting it be in your game and letting trolls try to trick people into replying and then get punished for it. Worse this behavior of the trolls/toxic people is PROTECTED, because you will punish replies/escalations worse. What a terrible, unjust and hypocritical system. So I uninstalled. Maybe the feedback will help you make a more just system, that doesn't try to judge things without context, and does the job of actually punishing toxicity and what starts it in the first place, people being negative and unsportsmanlike toward each other.

31 Comments

DearPear7/9/2018, 11:00:40 AM3 votes

With 10 people in each game you're obviously going to find at least mild toxicity in most of them. That's a sad thing to say but it's inevitable. Your title is misleading though, I don't recall ever being rude, passive agressive or negative in my ~8 years of playing!

Voldymort7/9/2018, 11:08:50 AM3 votes

This reminds me of being in grade school and someone bullies you, then you are sent to detention with the bully and blamed just as bad as him for telling them in strong terms to quit it. This has to be the definition of injustice, to judge things in a vacuum.

you're being dishonest in your example. riot doesn't send you to detention for telling the bully to stop it. he sends you in detention for making things worse, as i'm sure your chatlog shows

Your game supports a level of negativity and toxicity that is fairly constant and it has worsened my mood and emotional well being to be subjected to it so much. Continued exposure to it has a negative effect on my real life. You seem to be ok with all the above listed levels of negativity and toxicity being in your game. It seems you're ok with people being mean spirited and negative to each other on a very consistent basis.

i don't understand why riot is at fault for how the playerbase that you are part of behaves...

it's like blaming a bar for having a negative encounter with one of the other clients...

Your policies make it so that players will eventually either be ok with taking this kind of abuse toward them or try and defend themselves against it. In the first case this isn't good for anyone's personal well being

why not? you're supposed to play the game, not engage in meanigless chat based drama

and in the second case, you'd punish them, probably worse, since replying tends to escalate things.

i dont understand what you mean by "probably worse"

So it seems in reality, you are nurturing toxicity to a certain degree by letting it be in your game

so they let it be in the game by kicking out every flamer who dares to show himself?

https://i.imgflip.com/24vozw.jpg

and letting trolls try to trick people into replying and then get punished for it.

letting?!?!

i think i'm going to need my tinfoli hat for this post...

Worse this behavior of the trolls/toxic people is PROTECTED, because you will punish replies/escalations worse.

everyone who breaks the rules is punished. just because x is worse at flaming thay y, it does not mean that y gets away scot free

What a terrible, unjust and hypocritical system.

u're weird

So I uninstalled.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Maybe the feedback will help you make a more just system, that doesn't try to judge things without context,

there is no context in which flaming as a reaction to flaming is ok

and does the job of actually punishing toxicity and what starts it in the first place, people being negative and unsportsmanlike toward each other.

just because someone else is toxic, does not make it ok for you to be toxic too. the "he started it" defense didn't work when we were toddlers. and it doesn't work now either

Quiet Dude7/9/2018, 11:27:56 AM3 votes

So you want all behavior that doesn’t mesh with your self-perceived values to be reportable. Got it.

Unfortunately 4 u, criticism, even if it skirts under the radar for what is generally considered to be toxic, or what you consider passive aggressive, is allowed.

Fk Em Bums7/10/2018, 3:24:24 AM2 votes

  1. systematically I know this term is flaring up quite a bit, people throwing this term around way too much. No, it's not "according to a fixed plan or system; methodically." that people are toxic to any degree. It's because of much deeper reasons that have to do with personality traits, life experiences, environment and so on. For example, someone who throws down 5 question mark pings at a dead teammate might be an insecure person, who feels good on some level about pointing out what they perceive as a flaw in someone else, they likely also repeated this behavior and made it habitual. The person could be having a bad day, may be young and inconsiderate in general or many other things. But it's not "according to a fixed plan or system; methodically."

  2. "I seem to report people almost every game" This says more about your attitude than the community as a whole I think. I hardly ever report someone, only when they give up ruin the game or if they constantly blame stuff on everyone. Even then I let most of it pass, only really bad cases, for example: Someone starts blaming the jungle, calling them bad, saying ff@15/20 ect.... I'll say things almost like clockwork along the lines of: 1. Focus on what you can do to outplay the other team 2. Have strong mental, giving up is weak mental, blaming others is weak mental (this is my secondary method to pattern interrupt their attitude, it works sometimes to snap someone outta a fit of emotion but not very often). 3. We gonna win just focus. If nothing I say gets though and they keep acting childish, I mute all, play my hardest and report them at the end for negative attitude, if I even remember. But maybe 1 in 40 games do I actually end up reporting someone.

People are gonna act a certain way due to personality, emotional state and level of maturity in reaction to pressures of competitive gaming, paired with their real life stress. Honestly, lighten up, forgive people and be understanding that other people may not be as mentally strong, or disciplined as you'd like them to be. I find mute all + muting pings of the ping spammers totally fixes any issues with people being rude, out of sight out of mind and allows me to focus on what I can do, given the circumstances to solve the win conditions of my game without tilting. Which brings me back to this overused word "systematic". There's mute options, that's systematically setting up the game to be NOT systematically toxic. You can mute them, thus it's built in and planned that you have methods to totally undermine the verbal toxicity you speak of.

3 . "Your game supports a level of negativity and toxicity that is fairly constant and it has worsened my mood and emotional well being to be subjected to it so much. Continued exposure to it has a negative effect on my real life"

Look, there comes a point where you gotta take people how they come as they are. You gotta take the responsibility of your own emotional state onto yourself and blame no one for it. I can play 100 games of league and maybe 1 outta 100 of those games will i get upset at someone else, and I fully admit I let it get to me. Be strong mental, be an example of the behavior you'd like to see others use, but don't try to make them adhere, don't expect everyone to play by your rules. I say this because it will help you out. People are always gonna have attitude and behaviors you think aren't necessary. Don't be so arrogant to assume you're right. instead of expecting everyone to act the way you want, become strong mental enough to be able to withstand all the humankind will throw at you.

Malignant Vemira7/10/2018, 1:28:21 AM1 votes

Can confirm, I bait people into getting punished whenever I play and they do stupid bronze shit that pisses me off, or they try to blame me for them not respecting my pings or wards.

If I got banned for a snakes on a planes joke, the rest of y'all can fuck off and get LIT with that ban hammer.