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My view on the "innocent until proven guilty" defense of posters.

Firu·4/29/2016, 3:51:23 PM·2 votes·282 views

People keep using this defense on the message boards when others respond to their "I was unfairly banned" posts. In my opinion, this analogy/defense is faulty. Players _were _ treated as innocent during the initial reviewing process. The "banning" is not the trial, it's the judgment. Riot has already held their own "trial" to determine if players were guilty or innocent (and thus deserving of a ban).
(You may also disagree on the fairness of this Riot's initial judging process but that's a separate issue.)

That is why people are asked to appeal their bans if they view they were implemented incorrectly. "I'm innocent" posters were already found guilty by the time they post on this board. When others respond to their posts, they responded on the basis that the original posters were already found guilty. Thus, the burden is on the poster to provide evidence to appeal the verdict and banning (or to win over the opinion of those responding to their post).

TLDR:

  • If you haven't been banned, then you're treated as innocent and the burden is on Riot to prove you guilty.

  • If you've been banned, then you've been found guilty by Riot.

  • If you're _appealing _ a decision, then you were already found guilty by Riot and the burden is on you to prove your innocence.

2 Comments

AeroWaffle4/29/2016, 4:00:57 PM1 votes

"Proven guilty" implies that the person punished also has access to what brought the decision. This is true for the ban that bring chat logs, but in the case of third-party bans, the banned party doesn't get any info.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's the right thing to do. If Riot tells the person (who Riot is convinced was cheating) what cheating program was caught, the programmer for the cheating software can quickly find out what got his program caught. Also, the people using the programs can quickly find out which ones were safe.

But such situations I can't really call it "proven guilty". But it's something players have to live with so that the game isn't overrun with people using cheats.

Sarutobi4/29/2016, 4:16:43 PM1 votes

I agree with waffles. And it is a touchy subject. As you said if Riot does state what got the detection of a 3rd party to the person who was ban what is stopping them from leaking that info, or have it actually being a person who works for these programs? I would rather them keep it a secret than letting the public know and the game just be filled with bots, or people who cheat! But basically all other types of bans/punishments have some sort of proof beforehand.