Alternative to permabans

Repørt Morgana·Feb 11, 2017·1 votes·643 views

So I have noticed some of my friends getting their accounts permanently banned. They're known for being salt lords but the one that I saw to be the straw to break the camel's back confuses me. In this log, I see one F bomb, one "sh*tty", but a whole lotta "c'mon guys, we can still win this." While I agree, toxic people should be punished I also think that an account that has hundreds of dollars invested into it shouldn't be closed permanently because someone has a bad temper. I think a good alternative would to be permanently chat ban said player, allowing them to continue playing, continue buying skins and to continue supporting riot games and League of Legends.

15 Comments

Deep Terror NamiFeb 11, 20178 votes

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When we permanently ban players we want them to spend their time elsewhere. Permanent bans are reserved for players who were either extremely toxic (hate speech etc.) or refused to improve after numerous warnings.

Chat restrictions are our way of helping players realize their behavior is not acceptable, and shielding their behaviors from other players while allowing them a chance to improve.

This is why we provide chat logs and information about why we punished them. We aren't looking for ways to keep extremely toxic players in the community, which is why we do not issue permanent chat restrictions.

If a player wants to hide their chat on screen and communicate with pings, they are of course welcome to do it. That is them recognizing they have an issue and attempting to fix it.

Repørt MorganaFeb 11, 20171 votes

This is a dated response, posted 11 months ago. Please actually take into account the alternative that I mentioned.

Deep Terror NamiFeb 11, 20176 votes

Nothing has changed since then, and I did take your "alternative" into account. All it does is let the most toxic players back in to ruin the game for everyone else, and how much money or time they spent is irrelevant.

Unreformed ShacoFeb 11, 20172 votes

How do you hide chat? I have it set to smallest it can go.

Short of /muteall I haven't seen a way.

Funny that someone named Tantram is discussing poor behaviour

Deep Terror NamiFeb 11, 20172 votes

If you go into your game.cfg and PersistedSettings.json files in the Config folder, you can change the chat window size to about -150 and it will shrink down to nothing. Moving the slider from your settings will reset it, so it's easy to revert if necessary.

I haven't done this since the new client came out, but I believe it'll still work. (there's also just moving it off the screen)

Unreformed ShacoFeb 11, 20172 votes

If they wanted it to be a legitimate method for salty players to deal with their temper they would give them the option to do it in game, rather than fuck around with game files.

Evidently they don't care about reducing toxicity, because it makes them money.

lowfat yogurtFeb 11, 20175 votes

I don't see how permanently chat banning a toxic player would prevent them from moving on to intentionally feeding and ping spamming to try and get their "point" across.

Repørt MorganaFeb 11, 20171 votes

Because most people play to win.

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 11, 20176 votes

And remind me again how talking shit would actually help win the game?

EvilDustManFeb 11, 20173 votes

They weren't just banned for one game or having a bad temper once, they were banned for regularly being salt lords. No one wants to play with regular salt lords.

ModPrandineFeb 11, 20173 votes

Why can't Riot just assign perma-mutes to people instead of banning them?

Short answer: They tried that and it didn't work.

Long answer: There used to be a system in place where one could rack up hundreds of games worth of chat restrictions. This was replaced with the current Instant Feedback System for two main reasons:

People with tons of CR's often wouldn't even try to reform because they couldn't work them off fast enough to make it worth it.
The truly toxic people would just switch to other forms of griefing instead (i.e. ping spamming, intentionally feeding/afking, gameplay trolling, etc.) once they found out that they couldn't do it with chat.

The IFS encourages people to reform or get lost faster than the previous systems could. Is it perfect? No. Is it effective? Yes.

Unreformed ShacoFeb 11, 20172 votes

Being banned for salt lords is a new addition because they realized that permabanned players just come back and spend more riot points on their new account.

Soon everyone will be banned for questioning anything in chat, and we can all be good little robots.

Tribunal was a good system with a few improvable flaws, but Riot Lyte is a shitstain on humanity and pushed the IFS.

Being salty should not be punishable. I can understand that you can't rely on the ignore player feature for toxic players, because some things said could upset a player and the damage has already been dealt by the time you mute them, but no damage has been dealt from someone complaining they were outplayed.

Its a borderline scam, plain and simple. There isn't a single other game that has restrictions this strict.

EvilDustManFeb 11, 20174 votes

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Being banned for salt lords is a new addition because they realized that permabanned players just come back and spend more riot points on their new account.

Soon everyone will be banned for questioning anything in chat, and we can all be good little robots.

Tribunal was a good system with a few improvable flaws, but Riot Lyte is a shitstain on humanity and pushed the IFS.

Being salty should not be punishable. I can understand that you can't rely on the ignore player feature for toxic players, because some things said could upset a player and the damage has already been dealt by the time you mute them, but no damage has been dealt from someone complaining they were outplayed.

Its a borderline scam, plain and simple. There isn't a single other game that has restrictions this strict.

OR. Or.

No one wants to play with salt lords.

Unreformed ShacoFeb 11, 20172 votes

No one wants to play with feeders either, but that doesn't mean they should be banned.

I don't want to play with Yasuo players because they are pathetic humans, but that doesn't mean they should be banned.