Why does Riot Permaban?

A Pyke 1 Trick·6/19/2018, 6:03:45 AM·2 votes·2,954 views

Before all of you 12 year olds out there type "because they are toxic", read what I have to say:

Alright, this may sound like I'm complaining, but I really want to know why Riot permabans toxic users. I mean, to prevent toxicity, why not just permanently restrict the player from using chat? If rudeness in chat is the issue, wouldn't taking away chat privileges solve the problem? I really don't see the need to take this much of a drastic step. I just think you should give some players a chance to get their accounts back, because not all people get 20 accounts banned and take it as a joke, some people care about the time put into their account.

I won't deny that I haven't been permabanned once, and it broke my heart because the cause wasn't even me. I knew Riot wouldn't believe me when I said someone from my school got into my account, because it sounds.. well.. unbelievable. But I really just want justification and reasoning on why Riot thinks permabanning without any chance of getting an account back is the best decision.

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Jamaree6/19/2018, 6:06:29 AM11 votes

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Before all of you 12 year olds out there type "because they are toxic", read what I have to say:

Alright, this may sound like I'm complaining, but I really want to know why Riot permabans toxic users?

To hopefully remove them permanently from the game and/or show them that their actions have consequences.

I mean, to prevent toxicity, why not just permanently restrict the player from using chat? If rudeness in chat is the issue, wouldn't taking away chat privileges solve the problem?

Tried that, failed because said players were just toxic in different ways.

I really don't see the need to take this much of a drastic step.

Hence why it is a last result, not first offense thing.

I just think you should give some players a chance to get their accounts back, because not all people get 20 accounts banned and take it as a joke, some people care about the time put into their account.

Also tried that way back in the day, 95% fail rate.

I won't deny that I haven't been permabanned once, and it broke my heart because the cause wasn't even me. I knew Riot wouldn't believe me when I said someone from my school got into my account, because it sounds.. well.. unbelievable. But I really just want justification and reasoning on why Riot thinks permabanning without any chance of getting an account back is the best decision.

Because every other method they have tried, reformation, permachat bans, lighter prior punishments, all failed, the players deadset on being horrible continued to do so even with plenty of warnings prior.

Chermorg6/19/2018, 6:11:12 AM8 votes

Chat is not the only form of toxicity. Chat is the most common form of toxicity in League, but people who are restricted from their toxicity in chat will only display it in some other way - griefing, intentionally playing poorly, etc - all of which are harder if not impossible to distinguish from legitimate poor play.

Rudeness in chat is not the issue - the issue is the player's attitude.

Zombie Gerbil6/19/2018, 6:32:52 AM6 votes

Riot permaban these players because Riot simply doesn't want them here. At all. Don't want them in the game, don't want their business, doesn't want their presence in League of Legends. This game is a competitive game, yes, things can get heated, yes, but no one has an excuse to have a consistent attitude and determination to ruin people's game. No one has the rights to say the toxic things they say. Riot doesn't want them here, and neither do we. Simple as that.

No, no players deserve to get their accounts back if they are out to ruin other people's game. That's the general idea of a permanent ban. They get plenty of warnings, especially a big one once they get a 14-day ban. Riot will also warn them, their next penalty WILL BE a permaban. The only justification you need to know is that no one wants an asshole in their presence.

Umbral Regent6/19/2018, 8:15:14 AM5 votes

Before all of you 12 year olds out there type "because they are toxic", read what I have to say:

...D'you really have to start the post with an insult based on age-assumption?

Really?

Alright, this may sound like I'm complaining, but I really want to know why Riot permabans toxic users. I mean, to prevent toxicity, why not just permanently restrict the player from using chat? If rudeness in chat is the issue, wouldn't taking away chat privileges solve the problem? I really don't see the need to take this much of a drastic step.

Cheap insult at the outset aside, you don't sound like you're complaining. In fact, even with the insult, it doesn't sound like complaining.

But, as others have told you, Riot has already tested what was effectively indefinite chat restrictions. The majority of players under longer-duration chat restrictions would resort to trolling, and so, Riot decided that giving CR after CR after CR wouldn't cut it.

Which, suspensions (14-day and permanent) are meant to reinforce the warning against negative behavior while simultaneously trying to cut players off from doing the same thing over and over again - or just doing worse. If the majority of players who couldn't chat just trolled or fed - why not cut them off at the head and give them equitable punishments ahead of time?

Though, that may sound like a really weird, impractical, and downright unfair ideology - why punish people on a level above their actual offense? The issue lies in the fact that - when it's necessary to punish someone for the umpteenth time, it's equally necessary for that umpteenth punishment to be harder than the last.

And if a player gets to the suspensions - they've proven twice that they don't care about the rules. They've proven twice that they're unwilling to heed warnings. The suspensions are there to give them a hard, bold-face stop when they keep ignoring the rules. And if they ignore the rules a third time...Can we really expect the fourth time to be the charm?

I just think you should give some players a chance to get their accounts back, because not all people get 20 accounts banned and take it as a joke, some people care about the time put into their account.

As others have also mentioned, the Level 20 Challenge was also a thing. Out of all the players Riot hand-picked for the challenge, who were considered most likely to succeed, 95% failed. That is a colossal failure rate, and after seeing it, Riot chose to never offer such a challenge again.

If you got an account banned, it's gone. You've proven - on that account - that you were unwilling to abide by the rules, and as such, you're no longer allowed to play on it again.

Would that the Level 20 Challenge had a higher success rate by far- but, in such a world, I'd imagine people would be well-behaved enough to not get punished in the first place, let alone banned.

Kei1436/19/2018, 11:00:35 AM2 votes

Riot's stance is that if they need to permaban someone, they believe those people are already beyond reform. So to prevent them from further ruining more games, they remove the said account and let the player know they are no longer welcome in the game.

Gabresol6/19/2018, 8:53:28 AM1 votes

Not only did infinite chat restriction lead to a huge increase of inters, afks and other kind of trolling, the chat is a tool to be used for communication, so having a player not being able to communicate with it, can put the team already at a disdvantage

Ripikou6/19/2018, 6:17:44 AM1 votes

If anything they just become more toxic XD They make a new account and troll troll troll. They evolve to learn how to avoid ban

VindicatorOFThey6/19/2018, 8:54:10 AM1 votes

I care for my account and im not toxic .

Negativity6/19/2018, 6:34:26 PM1 votes

It’s ironic when a kid calls people 12 year olds

1NicoNicoNii111/4/2018, 6:47:23 PM1 votes

welp i was perma-banned from saying fuck too many times, there goes over 1000+hours and over $100 or my time and money, fun times. I have never trolled ever in any game and i was banned once before way back but now its just over. feelsbadman.

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