Why does Riot Permaban?

A Pyke 1 Trick·Jun 19, 2018·2 votes·2,954 views

Before all of you 12 year olds out there type "because they are toxic", read what I have to say:

Alright, this may sound like I'm complaining, but I really want to know why Riot permabans toxic users. I mean, to prevent toxicity, why not just permanently restrict the player from using chat? If rudeness in chat is the issue, wouldn't taking away chat privileges solve the problem? I really don't see the need to take this much of a drastic step. I just think you should give some players a chance to get their accounts back, because not all people get 20 accounts banned and take it as a joke, some people care about the time put into their account.

I won't deny that I haven't been permabanned once, and it broke my heart because the cause wasn't even me. I knew Riot wouldn't believe me when I said someone from my school got into my account, because it sounds.. well.. unbelievable. But I really just want justification and reasoning on why Riot thinks permabanning without any chance of getting an account back is the best decision.

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JamareeJun 19, 201811 votes

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Before all of you 12 year olds out there type "because they are toxic", read what I have to say:

Alright, this may sound like I'm complaining, but I really want to know why Riot permabans toxic users?

To hopefully remove them permanently from the game and/or show them that their actions have consequences.

I mean, to prevent toxicity, why not just permanently restrict the player from using chat? If rudeness in chat is the issue, wouldn't taking away chat privileges solve the problem?

Tried that, failed because said players were just toxic in different ways.

I really don't see the need to take this much of a drastic step.

Hence why it is a last result, not first offense thing.

I just think you should give some players a chance to get their accounts back, because not all people get 20 accounts banned and take it as a joke, some people care about the time put into their account.

Also tried that way back in the day, 95% fail rate.

I won't deny that I haven't been permabanned once, and it broke my heart because the cause wasn't even me. I knew Riot wouldn't believe me when I said someone from my school got into my account, because it sounds.. well.. unbelievable. But I really just want justification and reasoning on why Riot thinks permabanning without any chance of getting an account back is the best decision.

Because every other method they have tried, reformation, permachat bans, lighter prior punishments, all failed, the players deadset on being horrible continued to do so even with plenty of warnings prior.

ChermorgJun 19, 20188 votes

Chat is not the only form of toxicity. Chat is the most common form of toxicity in League, but people who are restricted from their toxicity in chat will only display it in some other way - griefing, intentionally playing poorly, etc - all of which are harder if not impossible to distinguish from legitimate poor play.

Rudeness in chat is not the issue - the issue is the player's attitude.

PsychicJun 19, 20181 votes

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Chat is not the only form of toxicity. Chat is the most common form of toxicity in League, but people who are restricted from their toxicity in chat will only display it in some other way - griefing, intentionally playing poorly, etc - all of which are harder if not impossible to distinguish from legitimate poor play.

Rudeness in chat is not the issue - the issue is the player's attitude.

I got permanently banned from one game because what I wrote in chat. I didn't troll or grief in any way. I played this game for 8 years on the same account, and its sad I lose it because of one game. Players could just mute me but they replied to me and reported me in the end of the game. You can't say riot don't ban for the chat.

I am not a toxic player after all, I played in this game because I got triggered and tilted from a lose streak, and an idiot flamed me until I couldn't take it any longer and replied.

I created an other account and now I am reformed (sageofDsixpaths).

AeroWaffleJun 19, 20185 votes

Here's the thing, Riot already tried something similar to perma mute.

There was a time where poor chat behavior would just add more games of chat restriction. This could stack indefinitely so there were some people running around with hundreds sometimes thousands of games of chat restriction. Riot found that such people didn't stop misbehaving in a game just because they used up their chat, they just started misbehaving in other ways. Such as trolling, and that's significantly harder to catch and prove.

So Riot reverted back to ladder system where poor chat behavior can earn you a permaban eventually.

PsychicJun 19, 20181 votes

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Here's the thing, Riot already tried something similar to perma mute.

There was a time where poor chat behavior would just add more games of chat restriction. This could stack indefinitely so there were some people running around with hundreds sometimes thousands of games of chat restriction. Riot found that such people didn't stop misbehaving in a game just because they used up their chat, they just started misbehaving in other ways. Such as trolling, and that's significantly harder to catch and prove.

So Riot reverted back to ladder system where poor chat behavior can earn you a permaban eventually.

I don't know why riot makes an inclusion for all the toxic players. As "A Pyke 1 Trick" wrote that not all the people are toxic and they play to write bad things to other players, there are players like me who care about the time they put in the game. I lost this account for one game after 8 years of playing a lot, and It makes me frustrated to think that I lost my account for one freaking game of of 3000 games or more.

I think riot should give a chance for players like me who improved their behavior in another account they create. For example, I created the account "sageofDsixpaths" because I wanted to keep playing with my friends and have fun, I improved my behavior through this account and I AM REFORMED.

Again, It's stupid to make an inclusion on the toxic players because there is some kinds of them. Look for example on Tyler1, he got an id ban because he got permanently banned 27 time(I am not sure this is 27 times but I think its close to that number). He ran it down mid every second game if he got mad, he couldn't hold his anger on the game. But there are players like me who got some games like that once in a while where they are getting tilted and they can't hold themselves anymore.

AeroWaffleJun 19, 20184 votes

Because it's not worth letting a majority of toxic players keep their accounts and troll for the sake of an extremely small minority of players that, for whatever reason, are only unable to control their behavior through chat and not any other poor behavior outlet.

PsychicJun 19, 20181 votes

I was toxic but I DIDN'T TROLL AT ALL.

There are the chat logs from my game:

Game 1 In-Game Psychic: lets invade Psychic: im Psychic: the cc Psychic: lee top side Psychic: ty Psychic: malz? Psychic: jarven Psychic: pls camp bot Psychic: lol Psychic: j4 Psychic: ur doing Psychic: 0 Psychic: ganks Psychic: wtf Psychic: YES Psychic: 0 Psychic: GANKS Psychic: 0 GANKS TOP Psychic: MAYBE Psychic: 1 GANK MID Psychic: AND 1 BOR Psychic: BOT Psychic: THATS ALL Psychic: UR USELESS Psychic: LULU Psychic: GO HELP Psychic: UR LUCIAN Psychic: WTF Psychic: lol Psychic: better supp won Psychic: not adc Psychic: lulu Psychic: u suck Psychic: ass Psychic: no Psychic: justy Psychic: better supp Psychic: ye Psychic: better jg and supp wins Psychic: JARVEN Psychic: JSUT Psychic: KYS Psychic: WTF Psychic: J4 Psychic: U LITERLY Psychic: WENT FOR KRAGS Psychic: IN A FIGHT Psychic: j4 Psychic: u suck Psychic: u cant talk

Now, I don't say that writing "kys" is fine. I didn't troll or did something that lost us the game. There are 3 types of toxic players from what I understand:

There are the toxic players like tyler1, who gets 20 accounts banned and still int and flame.
There are those trollers who doesn't write in chat because they understood that if they write in chat they will get banned. So they ruin the game for all the players for taking cs and feeding, and riot does NOTHING about that.
There are players like me who gets triggered in game because players in type 2, so they writes things like I write because they don't know what to write to this kind of trollish kids so they write this kind of sentences.

You guys don't know the difference between those players because maybe you never met those kind of players( No way) or you just Doesn't realize where you are playing.

I was in bronze in season 5, I was like this good boys who didn't write a single bad word in chat. But, in bronze there are always toxic players in type 1 in 2, so they made me type 3.

AND THAT'S HOW I GOT TOXIC AND PERMANENTLY BANNED.

Riot needs to ban the players from playing league of legends and perma mute the toxic players in type 3, THAT'S ALL.

AeroWaffleJun 19, 20184 votes

I leads me right back to my two posts;

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Here's the thing, Riot already tried something similar to perma mute.

There was a time where poor chat behavior would just add more games of chat restriction. This could stack indefinitely so there were some people running around with hundreds sometimes thousands of games of chat restriction. Riot found that such people didn't stop misbehaving in a game just because they used up their chat, they just started misbehaving in other ways. Such as trolling, and that's significantly harder to catch and prove.

So Riot reverted back to ladder system where poor chat behavior can earn you a permaban eventually.

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Because it's not worth letting a majority of toxic players keep their accounts and troll for the sake of an extremely small minority of players that, for whatever reason, are only unable to control their behavior through chat and not any other poor behavior outlet.

You can claim that you wont be one of those people that will troll when chat banned all you want but it's ultimately lip-service, even if you're not being toxic on your current account. You were unable to control yourself in chat despite several warnings and punishments. Even a warning that states in no uncertain terms that further poor chat behavior might net you a perma-ban. Yet still you exploded in chat and told someone to kill themselves.

Why should Riot trust your word that your lack of self-control would only be limited to chat if Riot were to chat ban you instead of perma-banning you?

DearPearJun 20, 20181 votes

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I am not a toxic player after all

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I was toxic

Make up your mind.

A Pyke 1 TrickJun 19, 20181 votes

And I agree with you here, but why not give players who were banned for being toxic in chat one more shot? I mean if they grief or int or whatever they obviously don't care about their account. And before you say "you didn't care about your account either to get it permabanned", griefing or afking or inting or whatever is something I've never done in my life, because that TRULY ruins the game for someone. As you guys say: "/mute all is a function where ..... etc". You can mute a players attitude, but not their deadweight.

ChermorgJun 19, 20182 votes

Because statistics show that not only is it highly likely they turn to such behaviors (over a 90% chance), but those behaviors are generally not distinguishable from bad play until they've happened in multiple games. You're saying that Riot should let people ruin many many more games, and for what? For 90% of them to get punished anyway?

A Pyke 1 TrickJun 20, 20181 votes

I'm not saying Riot should let people ruin more games, I'm just saying that permanently banning account won't really help, as people just create new accounts and ruin more and more games anyway. Why is there no lenience for people like me, who wasn't even responsible for getting banned. (Long story that you probably wouldn't believe). And I'm not so mad about my account lost, except for all the time I put into it. It just makes no sense to me why SOME players who have never griefed/afked/whatever another chance. I know the 20-level challenge thing didn't work out so well, but it worked for some people. As you can see, this account is level 29 and hasn't gotten a single punishment laid upon it.

I'm not saying I don't agree with you in some points, I just think that the banning system should have some lenience.

AeroWaffleJun 20, 20181 votes

I'm not saying Riot should let people ruin more games, I'm just saying that permanently banning account won't really help, as people just create new accounts and ruin more and more games anyway.

That assumes that everyone is willing to re-start a game that has a lot of progression and unlockables from scratch knowing that they lost all their progress. Especially considering that LoL is not the only decent F2P moba on the market.

A Pyke 1 TrickJun 20, 20181 votes

Trust me people are willing. I see people all over saying "this is my nth account lol"

AeroWaffleJun 20, 20181 votes

Some people are going to come back, but I also see tons of posts claiming that they are done with the game because of their ban.

And you don't exactly see people who leave post again.

Quiet DudeJun 19, 20182 votes

The punishment wouldn't mean anything if it didn't stick. Permanently banning that account is going to hurt if you care enough. Which it looks like it does to you. If you can't learn from that, then at least each account afterwards that gets perma'd won't be a problem for the players you griefed at least.

Zombie GerbilJun 19, 20186 votes

Riot permaban these players because Riot simply doesn't want them here. At all. Don't want them in the game, don't want their business, doesn't want their presence in League of Legends. This game is a competitive game, yes, things can get heated, yes, but no one has an excuse to have a consistent attitude and determination to ruin people's game. No one has the rights to say the toxic things they say. Riot doesn't want them here, and neither do we. Simple as that.

No, no players deserve to get their accounts back if they are out to ruin other people's game. That's the general idea of a permanent ban. They get plenty of warnings, especially a big one once they get a 14-day ban. Riot will also warn them, their next penalty WILL BE a permaban. The only justification you need to know is that no one wants an asshole in their presence.

Umbral RegentJun 19, 20185 votes

Before all of you 12 year olds out there type "because they are toxic", read what I have to say:

...D'you really have to start the post with an insult based on age-assumption?

Really?

Alright, this may sound like I'm complaining, but I really want to know why Riot permabans toxic users. I mean, to prevent toxicity, why not just permanently restrict the player from using chat? If rudeness in chat is the issue, wouldn't taking away chat privileges solve the problem? I really don't see the need to take this much of a drastic step.

Cheap insult at the outset aside, you don't sound like you're complaining. In fact, even with the insult, it doesn't sound like complaining.

But, as others have told you, Riot has already tested what was effectively indefinite chat restrictions. The majority of players under longer-duration chat restrictions would resort to trolling, and so, Riot decided that giving CR after CR after CR wouldn't cut it.

Which, suspensions (14-day and permanent) are meant to reinforce the warning against negative behavior while simultaneously trying to cut players off from doing the same thing over and over again - or just doing worse. If the majority of players who couldn't chat just trolled or fed - why not cut them off at the head and give them equitable punishments ahead of time?

Though, that may sound like a really weird, impractical, and downright unfair ideology - why punish people on a level above their actual offense? The issue lies in the fact that - when it's necessary to punish someone for the umpteenth time, it's equally necessary for that umpteenth punishment to be harder than the last.

And if a player gets to the suspensions - they've proven twice that they don't care about the rules. They've proven twice that they're unwilling to heed warnings. The suspensions are there to give them a hard, bold-face stop when they keep ignoring the rules. And if they ignore the rules a third time...Can we really expect the fourth time to be the charm?

I just think you should give some players a chance to get their accounts back, because not all people get 20 accounts banned and take it as a joke, some people care about the time put into their account.

As others have also mentioned, the Level 20 Challenge was also a thing. Out of all the players Riot hand-picked for the challenge, who were considered most likely to succeed, 95% failed. That is a colossal failure rate, and after seeing it, Riot chose to never offer such a challenge again.

If you got an account banned, it's gone. You've proven - on that account - that you were unwilling to abide by the rules, and as such, you're no longer allowed to play on it again.

Would that the Level 20 Challenge had a higher success rate by far- but, in such a world, I'd imagine people would be well-behaved enough to not get punished in the first place, let alone banned.

Kei143Jun 19, 20182 votes

Riot's stance is that if they need to permaban someone, they believe those people are already beyond reform. So to prevent them from further ruining more games, they remove the said account and let the player know they are no longer welcome in the game.

RipikouJun 19, 20181 votes

If anything they just become more toxic XD They make a new account and troll troll troll. They evolve to learn how to avoid ban

GabresolJun 19, 20181 votes

Not only did infinite chat restriction lead to a huge increase of inters, afks and other kind of trolling, the chat is a tool to be used for communication, so having a player not being able to communicate with it, can put the team already at a disdvantage

A Pyke 1 TrickJun 20, 20181 votes

You are correct, it did lead to inters and other trolling. But if people who were strictly toxic, and didn't troll in other forms, just ban the people who get another chance with it and let the others be permanently chat restricted.

VindicatorOFTheyJun 19, 20181 votes

I care for my account and im not toxic .

NegativityJun 19, 20181 votes

It’s ironic when a kid calls people 12 year olds

1NicoNicoNii1Nov 4, 20181 votes

welp i was perma-banned from saying fuck too many times, there goes over 1000+hours and over $100 or my time and money, fun times. I have never trolled ever in any game and i was banned once before way back but now its just over. feelsbadman.

ModPrandineNov 4, 2018

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welp i was perma-banned from saying fuck too many times, there goes over 1000+hours and over $100 or my time and money, fun times. I have never trolled ever in any game and i was banned once before way back but now its just over. feelsbadman.

We both know that's not true. If you would like to truly discuss your punishment then please make your own thread and post your entire unedited reform card in it.

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