Can anyone explain to me why being toxic in chat is more looked at by Riot than intentionally feedin

The Cane Master·4/29/2016, 4:18:12 PM·2 votes·530 views
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4gyioo/can_anyone_explain_to_me_why_being_toxic_in_chat/

I don't understand it at all. For people saying it's very hard to detect: It's not that hard, just have someone who skims through replays of someone who has been reported several times and give him/her the punishment they deserve. Could be a warning, could be 2 weeks ban, could be perma. Doesn't even have to be a Riot employee that does it, you can let "honorable" players do it, and if the offenders feels wrongly penalized, some dedicated Riot employee(s) could go through the tapes and make their own decision. If the Riot employee gives the same penalty as the pro bono guy, the penalty becomes worse, so people don't question everything. All Riot has to do is be clear, direct and transparent regarding rules, penalties and personal cases.

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SrbLud4/29/2016, 4:28:50 PM3 votes

Millions of games every day so you do the math on how many players and/or employees you'd need for looking at replays. People think chat is more looked at but it's simply just easier to prove ( chatlogs are a clear evidence ).

Espy Psyche4/29/2016, 6:17:59 PM3 votes

It's because intentional feeding isn't what you think it is.

It's not intentional feeding if someone ignores the call you made to group and dies for it. It's not intentional feeding if they initiate when you want to retreat. It's not intentional feeding if they try to contest a baron 1v5 and die. It's not intentional feeding if they get jumped in the jungle and die. It's not intentional feeding if they keep losing trades in lane and die. It's not intentional feeding if they lose a trade in mid against a Zed and then get 100-0 killed under tower by that Zed. It's not intentional feeding if they come to help a losing lane and give up a double kill. It's not intentional feeding if they chase too far and get jumped and die. It's not intentional feeding if they get outplayed. It's not intentional feeding if they don't build the items you tell them to build (see: AP Garen Rule or AP Vayne Rule) It's not intentional feeding if they get a lag spike or a frame rate issue and die from it.

All of those cases boil down to "that person thinks they're right and you're wrong". And whether you're right or they're right, it still doesn't constitute intentional feeding.

intentional [in-ten-shuh-nl]

adjective

  1. done with intention or on purpose; intended

Additionally: It takes a specific X value, where X is defined as report value per match, or a Y value, where Y is defined as total report value in 10 matches, for a person's case to appear before the Riot staff. This is why veteran accounts who haven't been in trouble since beta are less likely to be banned than new accounts. Y > X in this scenario, i.e. it takes a lot more reports for a small window to bring it to Lyte's desk than a lifetime toxicity value.

Imagine two players play in matches. Both players obviously intentionally feed -- they pick Master Yi, get item 3117 and stack item 3086 , and run into the enemy towers near a player as fast as they can immediately after every respawn. Let's assume everyone playing in these matches has an equal report value (1).

Account A has 50 games lifetime. Account B has 5000 games lifetime.

The X value for Account A (if this is his first report) = 9/50 = 18% toxicity. The X value for Account B = 9/5000 = 0.18% toxicity.

A will get banned, B will not.

Your report value has a complex formula, but it can be crudely modeled by the equation RV = 1 + [(Correct/Total) - 0.500].

If you report and your reports result in punishment, your get a 1 added to Correct and a 1 added to Total, raising the value of C/T and thus your RV. If you report and your reports don't result in punishment, you get 0 added to Correct and 1 added to Total, reducing the value of C/T and thus your RV.

It's the boy who cried wolf. The more often you cry feeder, the less anyone cares when you cry feeder. So, when you get an actual feeder, your report means so little that you're literally helping the feeders get away with feeding.

Leblancster4/29/2016, 4:54:06 PM1 votes

I think Riot should permaban any and all sissies who uses the report button or abuse dynamic que.

AeroWaffle4/29/2016, 4:56:10 PM1 votes

It simply comes down to one is usually easier to prove than the other.

For intentional feeding, you have to prove the "intentional" beyond a reasonable doubt. At no point should a person be banned for just playing poorly, no matter how poorly they play. People who suck at the game are still allowed to play.

Because it's harder to prove someone was intentionally feeding, rather than just playing poorly, more people can get away with it.

It's really easy to prove someone was intentionally behaving poorly. Everything you type in chat is something you decided to do.

This doesn't mean that one is punishable and one is not. One is just easier to catch and prove, thus easier to enforce.

The Cane Master4/29/2016, 5:48:43 PM1 votes

What if Riot implemented the feature that high elo players could spectate games and report people that troll-ed at any point in the game? High elo people know what is a bad player and what is a straight up troll, CS;GO and Overwatch have such systems.