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Jungler etiquette question.....

GrenadesAndHamm·7/23/2018, 5:43:41 PM·2 votes·2,234 views

Long story.....but I would love some advice/suggestions.

Just played a normal/draft where I was filled into jungler. I told the room that I wasnt great at the role and asked if anyone wanted to trade. Three out of four didn't respond and one told me not to worry, he wasn't good at mid.

Within the first eight or so minutes of the game, top (Teemo vs enemy Gnar) requested me about four times and mid (Ahri vs Akali enemy) requested me three times.

To me, requesting assistance is different than a gank. I had already ganked top about 2:40 and found Teemo hiding in the bush with half health and Gnar dominating the lane. When I arrived, Teemo made a motion like he was going to come out, then retreated toward the tower leaving me 1 v 1 vs Gnar. I didn't do much obviously.

I then ganked Akali who was also full health while our Ahri was under the tower at about half life. I tried to create some pressure for both, but neither engaged even to farm minions. So I left.

I explain to both that I'm trying to get level 6 so I wont be much help until then.

A few minutes later and with me only at a level 5, Teemo pings again for assistance and I see him less than half health. This is about the fourth time he's pinged for assistance so far, but the first time that he's pinged where he looked like he was actually in danger. I head up with no ult available.

When I get there, Teemo is hiding in the bushes close to the tower. Gnar is still dominating but about 1/4 health. I engage and nearly have him killed when he ults throwing me off him. At this point, Teemo engages and immediately dies. Teemo and Ahri then start calling me worthless as a jungler, and bot lane kicks in with how I've yet to help them even though they haven't asked for assistance and knew top/mid were repeatedly asking for it.

When I go down to help bot, who are at river killing minions, I ult on the support who is low under the tower backing (had like a second left when I hit him). Almost have him dead, and ADC rushes and kill steals. To me, they'd given up on him and that's my kill.

So, my question is what to do? I've heard most junglers wont even help until they're level 6 playing with randoms unless the matchup is good. Teemo ends up feeding Gnar who goes 15/2 which is apparently my fault. He was 0/4 within about ten minutes.

They all tell me they reported me after game. Enemy team actually sticks up for me post match. I go 4/6/112 cs in a FF at 33.....best on our team was 7/7, everyone else was three plus kills in the negative with more deaths than I had.

7 Comments

disregardable7/23/2018, 6:23:50 PM3 votes

/fullmute all friend.

Trust your own instinct on where to gank. you'll have more fun.

but in this meta, you want to play a champion that can gank early and secure scuttles.

Simba Is The Cub7/23/2018, 5:47:48 PM2 votes

It depends on the opponents. If a lane is easy to gank and your laner has cc to lock them down you can go for easy ganks and exploit that. If you have no cc and you think the enemy has mobility to escape, just farm. It mostly comes down to who you are playing though. If you are playing an assassin and you can easily kill the enemy jungler, I suggest invading them constantly or bursting down a squishy opponent in a lane. You just have to play jungle constantly to know the match ups and what to do. Until then, even if someone tells you how to play, you won't be able to keep up.

Also if this is low elo or normals, I wouldn't really listen to the players pinging for help, most of the time they are just full out trash (being honest). They tend to blame their loss on the jungler when they should play according to their match up.

Kei1437/23/2018, 7:52:54 PM2 votes

If you aren't familiar with the role, I'd just farm it out to get to lvl 6 asap. There are a lot of pathing, gank path tips and tricks that you'll only learn after being more familiar with the jg role.

If you have CC within your kit and someone can follow up on it, then it would be a good idea to gank that lane.

The rest, ignore them. You job is not to save the weak, but to give an advantage to the ones that are even or the strong. If you saved that teemo, he'll probably still end up feeding anyways, cos he sucks.

TheInfamousD7/23/2018, 8:38:23 PM2 votes

i disagree with a lot of the advice you're getting from other posters as a jungle main.

jungle is a combination of using your own observations (lane pressure, kill potential, powerspike, etc.) with intel from your teammates (summoner cds, trading in lane, etc.). to be successful you really need to utilize both. farming to 6 is super situational and isn't a blanket solution.

Tegash7/23/2018, 10:06:58 PM2 votes

Your main problem here is that you subjected yourself to the whims of your laners. That ends up helping nobody. Not your fault btw. I still struggle with that a lot as a jungler in training.

The first thing you have to focus on as a jungler is making sure you don't fall behind. The main way you do this is by taking camps, and taxing lane when you can. If you're confident you can punish the enemy jungler, or if they're on the other side of the map, you can invade and counterjungle. Smart taxing involves taking minions when your laner is either dead or backing, not when they're still in lane. Unless they ask you to help push tower, in which case it's fine.

The second thing you have to focus on is lane priority.

  1. Gank the lane that's winning.
  2. Gank the lane that's pushed in.

First and foremost, you help the lane that's ahead get even further ahead. If the lane is losing, it isn't worth it gank them unless they can turn it around as a result of your gank. Since neither your Ahri nor your Teemo went in when they could have early, without dying? I'd say it's not worth it to gank them again.

In addition, you need to know lane matchups. Teemo v Gnar is a skill matchup that slightly favours Gnar, where Teemo can only harass Gnar when Gnar is Mega. Ahri outright loses to Akali. If either of them were smart, Teemo would have gotten ahead by simply ignoring Gnar, and Ahri would have ended lane 30 cs and 1 level down from Akali, but never having fed kills. If she rushed a high-damage or sustain item (such as Luden's Echo or better, RoA), she could have outpushed Akali and roamed for kills, warding behind her to stop Akali from successfully following and counterganking.

Secondly, you can only gank when the enemy laner is more than half way into the lane. If both laners are at the halfway mark, that's too easy an escape. They need to be at least 2/3s in to be a successful gank. Even if it's a top Garen, you'll burn a flash.

The way that Akali backed off super hard in mid meant that she had superior vision control to Ahri. She knew you were coming. Unless support roamed mid with sweeper or either you or Ahri dropped a control ward, there was nothing doing there.

Teemo is hard to gank post 6 because he constantly pushes with mushrooms. Even if he lets the opponent push, they're rarely more than halfway down the lane. Teemo is meant to keep the opponent near him and prevent them from grouping, so the sad fact of the matter is that your Teemo was bad.

Ahri I can't say, since she outright loses to Akali, but the least she could've done was disincentivize diving by hugging tower. She can easily farm with Q after she gets some AP, and she outpushes Akali pre-12 with it.

I can safely say that you weren't at fault with how the match turned out. Your only mistake was not prioritizing bot, your most successful lane, from the beginning. Keep practicing and you'll get it. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

GrenadesAndHamm7/23/2018, 6:33:34 PM1 votes

Thanks for the help. :)