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Trash talking Vs Trolling

GaryTheGazelle·1/31/2017, 1:48:23 PM·5 votes·1,367 views

Why is trash talking considered more "toxic" (I hate that word, its over-used and holds no meaning any more) than legitimately ruining the game for someone through actions. I thought "actions speak louder than words" and all that yadda yadda. But apparently not to riot or our peers. It appears that your actions have no consequences in this game whatsoever. Not to the administration, and not even to other players. In my experience you can: feed, steal buffs from your jungler, refuse to do common sense things for the good of the team, afk for a while(so long as you dont 'quit' the game), and whatever other actions you deem appropriate to sabotage the game for other people. Almost noone will report you! However, if you are the guy expressing your disdain in not so kind words towards this malignant entity; YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Other players will even start to band together to DEFEND this person. Im not sure if its the community in and of itself or just the product of riots preschool mentality towards social issues; wherein propagating the use of ridiculous labels and creating a ubiquitous term that can apply to anything you care to proffer as such is acceptable. In most cases the situation is never taken into account when maledictions and vitriol fly. Riot simply slaps people on the wrist for saying "no no words" in this black and white morally ambiguous community. "Well, if you said the no no word to the other player you deserve whatever it is riot decides." I see time and time again on these boards.

21 Comments

CooL Ice Tea1/31/2017, 1:55:02 PM4 votes

Long story short:

trolling is harder to detect then flaming

trolling gets punished harder then flaming

first offense flaming: 10 Games with chat restriction

first offense trolling (selling items and build stupid, griefing or feeding) is 14 day ban.

People which just act like they play on a low level are hard to detect for the bot, the system could punish people which are just bad if poor plays get punished.

Prison AnaI1/31/2017, 2:32:38 PM3 votes

i dont understand why you can get in trouble for trash talking; like if youre that easily offended you should not be on the internet

Zezockary1/31/2017, 3:32:07 PM1 votes

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In my experience you can: feed, steal buffs from your jungler, refuse to do common sense things for the good of the team, afk for a while(so long as you dont 'quit' the game), and whatever other actions you deem appropriate to sabotage the game for other people.

Going to pick this apart a bit.

You can feed, just not intentionally. It is difficult to tell a bad game from intentional feeding sometimes, but intentional feeding is a two week ban on first detection. How would you feel if you had a bad game where you died like 10-15 times and then got banned? Another thing is that the punishments for this are not as visible. People generally know what they were doing to get punished for intentionally feeding so they do not post on the forums to question it.

You can steal buffs from your jungler. They are your team's buffs, not your jungler's buffs. As long as you are trying to win the game, the jungle is yours and the lane is the jungler's. Taxing is not punishable, and taking jungle mobs is not punishable.

A lot of things you see as "common sense" is probably not for most people. There have been a lot of times where people tell me to do something, and I know that doing that is stupid and will do nothing but feed them kills and objectives, then I get harassed for not doing them. It is difficult to tell these apart as well.

You can not afk for a while. The leaverbuster can tell if you are just staying in a general area or are just clicking to keep the game from kicking you. I have heard that people get punished for this, although people don't post stuff about getting LPQ's often on the forums because they generally know what they were doing.

You absolutely can not perform actions to sabotage the game for other people. Unless you are talking about the enemy team, in which case that is the point of the game. A lot of the things that fall under this category is punishable by a two week ban but hard to detect. It would probably take a manual review to check most of them.

LucentShadow2/1/2017, 12:59:56 AM1 votes

100% agreed. So you play like shit and waste your teammate's time and call them "toxic" when they say a word about you? Fuck these preschool spoiled kids. Just fuck them. Happened to me all the time. Bad players tend to talk the most. "Toxic" means someone who is bad and trashtalks, plz exclude the good players.

Telephone Booth2/2/2017, 1:36:56 AM1 votes

I've always thought of it as; toxic is verbal. Trolling is actions. If someone plays well but they just trash talk and call teammates garbage, they are toxic. If someone is nice but int feeding or walking around base doing nothing and doing generally trolly things, they are a troll.

Obviously trolls are worse. We need to stop focusing on toxicity. You can mute toxic people. You can't do anything about a troll intentionally losing the match.

As far as people saying you deserve whatever riot decides is a fair punishment... I think they just mean, you should read the summoners code and obey it. If you were toxic, you know that's against Riot's rules, thus you deserve Riots punishment for breaking Riots rules. That I do agree with, actually. It's simple to not break their rules but people do it anyways and then cry that they don't deserve the punishment. Sorry, but it's too simple to follow their rules for you to get a pass because you feel you didn't deserve it.