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Stop regulating us, and regulate your game.

Blàke··2 votes·895 views

I'm passionate for league and I always have/will be. I've played it since 09 and I was perma'd on my d2 main. I love the GAME. What I don't love are these overly sensitive and conservative pussies who walk into the riot HQ everyday and think to themselves "I wonder how I can regulate the community to make it more like myself". No one gives a fuck about what you think a good person is like, people are valued based on their worth, not their ideals. I have to tell my friends to just /mute all every game because GUESS WHAT?! IF YOU SAY ANYTHING TO ANY OF THESE BRAINDEAD SOLO QUEUE TRASH PLAYERS, THEY'LL SIMPLY TROLL YOU WITH THEIR GAMEPLAY BY BAITING AND PASSIVELY INTING. They don't say shit, and they don't do shit. Offering advice or criticizing someone in league is like asking them to just turn into a monkey and throw the game.

I thought critique was an important part of any sort of competitive scene, but RIOT seems to think otherwise. Or whoever the fuck is sniffing glue in the riot HQ. If you want to regulate your community, do so based on gameplay instead of chatlogs. Quit being lazy fucks and get your asses into the replay system and watch the game.

You have severely damaged solo queue, and you've severely damaged your own community by trying to regulate it. I put little over $1300 into one of my accounts over the span of EIGHT YEARS!!!!!! It was banned over some shitty lee sin who kept kicking their carry into me, the adc. Why? Because he fed my botlane 2 kills and I decided to say something about it. Face it, riot, your community will never be how you want it to be and there's nothing you can do about it, everyone is deceitful and everyone can work around your shitty system. I personally got sick of sitting here dealing with trolls up in d2 where there shouldn't be any, where I've worked hard to get to in hopes that the top 10 percentile of your competitive community would be willing to work with each other and play as a team. Where I was proud to be despite knowing I'm not perfect, and no one is, but every week I worked to make myself better at the game and fix my own mistakes without anyone telling me how to. I have decreased in skill because so many people are shy to call me out, or anyone else out. I find myself not knowing what to do sometimes, and back then if I wasn't doing something correctly I'd get flamed for it or someone would criticize me. I used to be unable to take criticism well but guess what? Like a sensible human being, I adapted to the environment at the time and took criticism as advice, I built off of it. Not to say that I don't know how to think for myself, but criticism and tension can help, it should make a human being want to do better. I believe that only psychopaths and petty fucks would throw away 30 minutes of their time over a comment or remark.

Also... You let Phreak and Doublelift announce. I'm actually convinced you guys are no longer in any sort of position to run your own community anymore.

I'd like my money back, but I know that's not going to happen. More importantly, I'd like the time I spent on your game back. Everytime a new player shows up, they're constantly told "don't waste your time on this game". I wonder why that is...

22 Comments

Chønklord7 votes

I came in here half-way expecting a decent, well formulated post that might actually make sense.

Then I saw all your flaming and abusive language.

Buddy, it's not that Riot / the community is too "thin skinned" or whatever other pejorative phrases you want to throw around; it's that we don't want toxic verbally abusive players like yourself in the community.

No one likes being around an a-hole in real life, why should they be forced to play with one online?

Capiche?

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}I thought critique was an important part of any sort of competitive scene, but RIOT seems to think otherwise. Or whoever the fuck is sniffing glue in the riot HQ. If you want to regulate your community, do so based on gameplay instead of chatlogs. Quit being lazy fucks and get your asses into the replay system and watch the game.

There's a difference between "Hey top -- mind some advice on facing Darius? Looks like it's a rough lane" and "GG. Top's a fucking bronze-life [insert slur here]." I assure you that you do NOT get banned for the former sort of critique.

In short, productive and friendly critique and suggestions are fine. Like many community rules, Riot's can be summed up as follows: "Don't be a dick."

You are banned solely on how you choose to offer that critique, and how you choose to treat your fellow players. You can also be banned for intentionally feeding, trolling, or otherwise intentionally ruining an in-game experience for another player, so you got that part of what you want.

Blàke1 votes

There are guides online for counterplay. That's the main reason why no one bothers to ask for advice. I'd love it if people would, it'd be heartwarming af to see people in my games give advice but I play at a rank where everyone pretty much knows what to do and how to play so that doesn't happen too often. I don't slur unless it's instigated first (because why the hell not, if someone wants to flame might aswell play into their game, what does it matter as long as we still cooperate together.)

You can accuse me of whatever you'd like but I believe in common sense.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}...because why the hell not, if someone wants to flame might as well play into their game, what does it matter as long as we still cooperate together.

It matters because there might be someone else on your team who doesn't want to play a game in that environment.

If you're 5-queuing with friends though, and you find that sort of language acceptable? I'm not going to tell you you can't. As long as no one reports you for that game the system won't give a fuck either. It's only when a report is triggered -- i.e. someone in the game found your conduct inexcusable -- that the system kicks in.

You can accuse me of whatever you'd like but I believe in common sense.

I wasn't accusing you of anything, actually. Just starting the facts. I acknowledge the general "you" usage may have made you think it was directed at your case specifically though. Apologies for that.

EvilDustMan2 votes

If you got permabanned, it isn't because you offended anyone, it is because you are so annoying and such a flamer, no one wants to play with you.

Magical Zoe1 votes

Too bad you're the minority in this type of subject.

Blàke1 votes

"This type of subject" is much too vague. Specify.

Magical Zoe2 votes

The subject on wether or not Riot should police people. I believe Riot needs MORE policing and regulations. Trolls get perma banned but they just keep making new accounts, something more has to be done here. The tribunal was even a failure because anybody could just troll around and ban someone on purpose.

Blàke1 votes

That's another problem I have. People troll the tribunal system because ppl think it's funny to x9 someone for lols.

I'm fine with policing gameplay, but I'm not fine with taking away freedom of speech (so long as it doesn't go too far aka telling someone to take their own life.)

ModThe Djinn3 votes

{quoted}I'm fine with policing gameplay, but I'm not fine with taking away freedom of speech (so long as it doesn't go too far aka telling someone to take their own life.)

Freedom of speech does not equate to freedom from consequences for speech. Shout slurs all you want at a movie theater, and you'll find you're quickly kicked out -- something they are legally allowed to do. The same holds true for Riot -- you can say what you want without legal consequence (i.e. Riot can't sue you for speech violations), but they CAN limit your access to their private servers.

This sort of restriction is commonplace on private venues and sites nationwide.

Blàke1 votes

That's a fair point but nothing goes without reason. Riot has a severe problem comparing gameplay to chatlogs and judging correctly. In the scenario you gave me, someone could lean over to their friend and silently criticize a part in the movie. Riot would be "those guys" to overhear your conversation and toss you out. The community would be the people around you who would spill their soda on you without saying anything.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

{quoted}That's a fair point but nothing goes without reason. Riot has a severe problem comparing gameplay to chatlogs and judging correctly. In the scenario you gave me, someone could lean over to their friend and silently criticize a part in the movie. Riot would be "those guys" to overhear your conversation and toss you out. The community would be the people around you who would spill their soda on you without saying anything.

Riot actually doesn't police whispers between friends, or ANY chat unless it's reported. So you can have that private communication through the /w chat channel, and your team will never see, nor will Riot care. You can talk on Discord or Skype. You can Team Chat to your premade 5-man. All of this is fine with Riot.

What isn't is exposing other players to offensive language, abuse, or harassment.

To extend the movie metaphor -- if someone throws their drink on you intentionally? Get an usher, and they'll likely end up being asked to leave. If you pick a fight with them as a result, you're probably BOTH going to be asked to leave.

Magical Zoe1 votes

"Free Speech" does not really go hand and hand with the company bylaws. They prohibit any racism, xenophobia and homophobia. You won't go to court for any of this, but you will receive an email that you have been banned for x amount of days.

Chønklord1 votes

I don't know if you've been keeping up to date with things, but the Tribunal has been gone for about 2 years or so.

We have what's called "Instant Feedback System" -- IFS for short. It's automated.

Also, it only needs one report to trigger a review of a game's chat logs to scan for toxicity. x9 isn't a thing, because reports aren't weighted, and more reports do not "count" toward punishment whatsoever.

Casual Anne1 votes

9 reports is the same as 1 report. It only takes 1 report to flag the system. The more reports against the player means nothing. And if someone just reports you for 'lols' it won't work unless you actually did something that was against the rules.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Can you give me a TLDR?

Blàke1 votes

TL;DR, Riot needs to stop trying to act as a policeforce for its own competitive community as everyone gets frustrated in it. They need to focus on the players who take criticism the wrong way instead of the critics, because everyone is a critic.

Also just an added note: There's a mute button. It's used quite frequently but there are still those petty people who will throw a game just cuz.

Chønklord4 votes

  1. There's a difference between mild frustration expressed within in-game chat, and verbally abusing others / hate speech / etc.

  2. Riot has every right as a company to "policeforce" its game however they see fit. Now, that doesn't mean we the community have to just "go with the flow" if a particular rule or game decision by Riot is universally seen as unjust or wrong; but it does mean until the community can collectively (and civilly) effect meaningful change by making Riot aware of their follies, you still have to abide by the rules as set forth by the ToS.

  3. The mute feature isn't intended to give toxic players freedom to verbally abuse others -- it's meant as a way for players to selectively silence the chat from other players should they continue being verbally abusive. You're essentially saying the onus is on everyone but the toxic player; basically that everyone else should just /mute all at the start of every game, because you never know which player is going to be toxic. That makes 0 sense.

YerroFever1 votes

{quoted}

TL;DR, Riot needs to stop trying to act as a policeforce for its own competitive community as everyone gets frustrated in it. They need to focus on the players who take criticism the wrong way instead of the critics, because everyone is a critic.

Also just an added note: There's a mute button. It's used quite frequently but there are still those petty people who will throw a game just cuz.

Hypothetical Example: Your top lane gives first blood. You are the Support

Criticism from Sup to Top: "You're a f-cking n- - - -r f - - - - t that sucks at top lane and you should uninstall league you piece of sh-t. You're ruining my promo game."

Criticism from Mid to Top: "You've given first blood. Play conservatively and farm under tower until the jungler gets a few levesl and can gank for you and even it out again."

Do you see any problematic behavior in this hypothetical example? Which criticism is actually useful?

Jo0o1 votes

You're also welcome to not speak up at all. I mean, people give up First Blood a lot. There's generally one per game. Not everybody needs a remedial lesson on their role each time it happens.

That's not me snarkily dismissing your point, I'm just saying that "criticism" is not always helpful, even when done reasonably like in the above example. If I'm fucking up in a clear way that you think you should weigh in on, then go ahead and give me some constructive criticism. But if I all-in at level 2 and lose the fight by a single hit... there's not much you can say that is going to help me out. I miscalculated the combat math. I'll hopefully learn from it.

Personally, I've never reported somebody for giving unsolicited advice to me, but I have been annoyed by it in the past. I mean... I'm going to lose about 50% of the lanes and games that I enter, right? I don't always need a damn lecture about what I'm doing wrong, especially if my teammates are shifting focus away from their own roles to deliver them.

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TR1 votes

{quoted}everyone can work around your shitty system

Then how'd you end up perma'd twice? You'd think at least you'd learn after the first one.

Jo0o1 votes

Man, you flamed out and got perma'd over it. Sympathy for being trolled, but you FED THE TROLL. Not feeding trolls is internet 101.

It's really hard to say something bad enough to get banned, unless you're the sort to give up playing in favor of flaming or just somebody that uses slurs and hate speech. But hey, if you think you were treated unfairly, post logs.

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