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Toxic chat, Permaban chat, not accounts

DarthArchon·2/10/2020, 11:23:15 PM·3 votes·3,151 views

Not gonna hide the fact i'm a rager lol. Just gonna make some logical argument that i hope convince enough people to make this change happen.

I personally do not share the ideology that toxic chat should be so severely punished because:

First: Getting raged on is the only way players have to tell the guys inting hard, or playing obvious bad picks, etc not to do that specially in ranked.

Second: IMO words aren't bullet, this is my view of the world but hey, in america we are literally killing the earth with our convenient/easy lifestyle, it's our cars, trip to Florida and meat consumption the problem. Just try saying that to anybody, they'll just push you out of their lives cause they don't want to hear it. We are lacking a fair dose of honesty and strength of character. So imo there is no moral incentive to overly protect people over strong language, it is not riot's duty to protect from or convert those who disagree with those policies. There is a money incentive though to cater to everyone and banning toxic chat make sens there.

Third: the game is free... so i'm just gonna make another account, take 5 minutes.

My main point is that chat is virtually useless 90% of the time so why not just permaban a rager's chat forever? i will never spend again a single dime on that game if i don't get the account i spent 200$+ on back, i'm not gonna recommend the game since i don't take it very seriously anymore. But i can assure you i wouldn't make another account just to chat, i understand it's your game and do w/e you want with it but to me it doesn't justify those radical choice that have other mean to achieve actually better results.

Let me be clear that being toxic in chat and grieving in game, like running down mid and suicide on the enemy turret are 2 different thing. Griever should be banned from the game because they are are impacting the game in a bad way. Most rager i encounter still play the game seriously even if they are tilted and rage so really how bad are their words idk.

37 Comments

GatekeeperTDS2/10/2020, 11:39:19 PM15 votes

Not gonna hide the fact i'm a rager lol.

And nobody else is going to hide the fact that we don't want ragers in our games. The inability to chat doesn't cure the root of the problem - a lack of self-control. Ragers, as they've proven since the dawn of time, will always find a way to make people miserable. If you can't chat, you'll troll.

Arcade Lulu2/10/2020, 11:31:13 PM9 votes

People have suggested this so many damn times already But it ain't gonna happen because, in short, it's a shitty idea

But like honestly, why should riot allow people to play their game if those people don't want to respect riot's rules? Like seriously

ModPrandine2/11/2020, 12:11:30 AM6 votes

Short answer: No, that won't work as people will find other ways to act up instead.

Long answer: Perma-mutes don't work as Riot found out when they tried it before the IFS was introduced. Players would rack up hundreds-thousands of chat restriction games and either continue harassing others with their limited messages or just switch to trolling when they could harass people via chat or both. Some people will just keep misbehaving no matter how many chances you give them, so rather than let them continue playing it's better to permaban them instead.

From Riot Tantram:

It really breaks down into two categories.

1.) Helping players reform 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost.

We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.

We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it.

We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling.

The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS.

So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat?

At the end of the day if players truly value their account and the time and/or money spent on it then ideally they should think about that before they get permabanned and not afterwards.

Kei1432/11/2020, 12:35:07 AM4 votes

You could already perma mute yourself.

Go to settings > interface > uncheck "enable chat".

Degnisyllort2/11/2020, 12:53:32 AM3 votes

You expect immature babies who don’t have the self control to not be a jerk in chat to be able to play a game without being able to talk? They’ll just channel their baby-rage into trolling/soft inting instead.

KFCeytron2/11/2020, 10:16:21 PM3 votes

Riot's punishment system used to hand out stacking chat restrictions, such that consistently toxic players basically had a permanent chat restriction. Unfortunately, it turns out that such players used their few chat opportunities to be toxic, and, when they couldn't be as toxic as they wanted to, they resorted to committing non-chat offenses such as griefing (following someone around and taking their farm, using wall abilities to interfere with their play, etc.) or inting. The purpose of the punishment system is to eliminate rule-breaking, not make it worse. Thus, if a couple chat restrictions don't make any difference in a player's misbehavior, the system ramps up the punishments until the player is permabanned and thus unable to use that account to break any more rules ever again.

According to Riot Tantram:

It really breaks down into two categories.

1.) Helping players reform 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost.

We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.

We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it.

We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling.

The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS.

So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat?

Tele II2/13/2020, 12:04:21 AM1 votes

1: disagree. Getting raged on is not the only way to let people know they're doing something wrong. If you think it is, seek therapy and never have children please, or else you will rage at them for every mistake apparently.

2: yeah, its not a morality thing. Its for the game. The rules dont apply to life. They apply to the confines of the game only, to deter the behavior that got league its toxic reputation and scares away many many potential paying customers.

3: then why do you care about the permaban? Its still a deterrent. It hurts to have that progress taken away no? Otherwise you woulddnt be here making this thread.

omgitsgb2/18/2020, 6:27:37 AM1 votes

you can literally turn off your own chat... riot should not have to do it for you