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Grammaton Cleric·9/9/2018, 3:56:55 PM·1 votes·2,977 views

Fuq you all. I'm sick and tired of you guys thinking you run bot lane, just because your an "aggressive" support does not dictate that you run lane and are in charge. What does the word Support mean, by definition, since there is such a huge smattering of just straight trash supports who only do it, to secure kills and not care about the ADC or the role they chose. . .

1.) bear all or part of the weight of; hold up.

2.) give assistance to, especially financially; enable to function or act.

Now here is the description of what a Support is supposed --->TODO<---

> A support is a champion who is not meant to get kills, but create opportunity to make kills. there are various ways, such as crowd control effects on enemies, separating/ moving someone out of position, healing/ giving whats necessary to an ally to keep them from dieing which allows them to deal more damage. > > also, supports are meant to fill missing holes in team structure. if your team is lacking a tank, taric would be a good choice, if your team is lacking crowd control effects, janna would be a smart choice. > > thirdly a support is meant to WORK WITH its lane-mate. for instance, if your team is lacking a tank an your laneing with graves, you would decide between taric, alastar, blitz, leona, and sejuani. now graves needs to be aggressive, so alastar would not work (he is great, but his knock back can easily remove the fight from graves), leona is a higher skill cap support but she would be very well suited for the situation, tarics passive on shater will help graves armor as well as tarics constant heal will allow for sustain. blitz will be able to grab an opponent, but at level six he can accidentally steal farm, and sejuani is full of crowd control abilities, but she is better built with health creating a bad support due to the fact that she will need farm if she wants to be useful late game. therefore your choices become: blitz, leona, and taric. and the support would probably chose according to who they are laneing against. if they are laneing against a gap closer, blitz wont work, if they are laneing against a lane with a soraka and an AP, tarics shatter passive wont help graves. > > a good support should know who works best with who, who fills what role, what potential lane mates do as a champion, how to play decently without taking creep score, or kills, and how to build a champion with a limited supply of gold. > > a support is not just someone who sits in a bush, they should be warding, harassing, and holding a lane when need be. its not something you just play, its something you have to dedicate yourself to. "Quoted from Necrose281"

So, next time you think, "huh, I think I want to play somebody super aggressive and see how many kills I can get support."

I say this, go "F" yourself therapeutically speaking of course.

32 Comments

AeroWaffle9/9/2018, 3:58:55 PM22 votes

Hey SUPs.. all of you. MUST READ

Okay.

Fuq you all.

Welp, done reading.

MrFawknSunshine9/9/2018, 4:03:44 PM15 votes

Pyke is designed to get kills and be aggressive

now what?

Agent Corgi9/9/2018, 4:57:37 PM12 votes

Botlaner "I'M THE CARRY, I'M IN CHARGE HERE." Aggressive Supports : "Do you feel in charge?

Botlaner: "I queued up for Bot so.." Aggressive Supports: "And this gives you power over me?"

Xidphel9/9/2018, 4:48:50 PM9 votes

MUST READ

Fuq you all.

So your title was a lie.

Imperial Pandaa9/9/2018, 4:41:38 PM9 votes

1.) bear all or part of the weight of; hold up. 2.) give assistance to, especially financially; enable to function or act.

You know what makes it a lot easier to do either or both of those? Gold.

But hey, lets also reverse that to the bot laner. You aren't the boss of the lane. Just because you picked an aggressive laner doesn't mean I will be. I don't have to sacrifice myself for you. You are grtting the farm because I feel it might be better. A good bot laner should also know what goes well with what. A good bot laner should also know more than just marksmen.

Don't like the supports you get? Play support yourself or start playing a solo lane.

Jo0o9/9/2018, 5:12:10 PM7 votes

Worst thread I've seen in a while.

Kei1439/9/2018, 4:24:12 PM7 votes

So here I was thinking about how you would be talking about the whole laning phase with an aggressive playstyle that pushes the lane and generates a tonne of pressure, allowing for jungle invades and controls the lane through good zoning.

Nope, you just complaining about KSing supports.

Makes me wonder whether you actually know what good supports do.

usul12029/9/2018, 4:48:54 PM6 votes

I main velkoz support. It is my sole job to make every other person in that lane my bitch. Enemy supp wants to get in range of my adc? Imma hit them. Enemy adc wants to cs? Imma hit them. I am not there to buff my adc, I'm not there to fill out a team comp. I'm there because on average, I leave lane with a 2k gold advantage over the enemy supp, and my adcs leave with a 1.5k average lead. And it works, that's a valid method of supporting in lane. (plus, warding. I like warding)

CharDeeMcDenniz9/9/2018, 3:58:04 PM5 votes

holy rage rant...

Arcade Lulu9/9/2018, 4:38:00 PM5 votes

Looking at your match history and opgg, i'm pretty sure you can't tell anyone what to do

Haidr09/9/2018, 8:50:11 PM4 votes

Aww, is someone mad that they can't last hit? Or that they can't think ahead and plan their attack so they don't die?

Umbral Regent9/9/2018, 9:59:55 PM4 votes

I'm sick and tired of you guys thinking you run bot lane, just because your an "aggressive" support does not dictate that you run lane and are in charge.

I'm not sorry you feel that way. Fact of the matter is, Vanguard Tanks and Catcher Supports (Leona, Alistar, Thresh, Pyke, Rakan, etc.) do run the lane and are in charge, in the most basic sense. Those Supports are the ones who force openings and start shit for you to follow up on.

If that makes you insecure about your presence in bottom lane, you should probably duo with someone who plays Enchanter/Warden Supports. (like Taric, Nami, Sona, Karma, Galio, and so on.)

...since there is such a huge smattering of just straight trash supports who only do it, to secure kills and not care about the ADC or the role they chose. . .

Hate to break it to you, but kill Supports are a thing and you can't say "boo" about it.

Veigar, Vel'Koz, Brand, Zyra, Pyke, all of these Champions are built to kill enemy Champions - regardless of who the kill goes to. Especially in Pyke's case.

And if you have a Pyke Support, when he gets the kill, you get 300 gold if you're the last one to assist. So be thankful.

And try to understand the Support role, 'cause it seems like you don't have the appropriate perspective on it.

Now here is the description of what a Support is supposed --->TODO<---

I'd like a link to whatever source you pulled this from. The info looks outdated at best, since it uses Graves ADC as an example (which is no longer a traditional thing due to his short range and early disadvantage), and Sejuani Support as part of the example too. (again; no longer a thing, since the Tank Update gave her Permafrost which pushes her synergy towards melee Champions rather than ranged ones.)

Regardless, I may as well pick it apart.

A support is a champion who is not meant to get kills, but create opportunity to make kills. there are various ways, such as crowd control effects on enemies, separating/ moving someone out of position, healing/ giving whats necessary to an ally to keep them from dieing which allows them to deal more damage.

Yes, Supports are primarily meant to create opportunities (Vanguards and Catchers specifically), but "not getting kills" is a courtesy, not a rule. Again, especially the case with Pyke.

also, supports are meant to fill missing holes in team structure. if your team is lacking a tank, taric would be a good choice, if your team is lacking crowd control effects, janna would be a smart choice.

The burden of filling roles and adapting Champion choice is on everyone, not just the Support. It's just as much the fault of the top laner, bottom laner, middle laner, and jungler that there's no solid CC on the team as it is the Support's.

There are 140~ Champions in the game, with a good number of Classes playable in each role. Don't shift the blame of your tankless game onto your Support.

thirdly a support is meant to WORK WITH its lane-mate.

This whole paragraph is pretty much a ramble of the previous point and also arguing that a Support must, as a hard rule, always pick Champions that synergize with their lane partner. (Again, though, the info is outdated since it uses Graves ADC and Sejuani Support as examples.)

It's not a rule, it's a courtesy. I'm not going to narrow my Support options just because someone decided "well, I guess this match I'm gonna play Caitlyn/Tristana", or "I'm gonna play Draven". I'm not there to cater to the bottom laner's whims, I'm there to Support the team. If they don't like my Champion pick (whether it be Leona, Pyke, or whomever), they can keep it to themselves. I know what I work best with.

And I've got a phrase that I think is pretty accurate; A good Support makes the Carry.

a good support should know who works best with who, who fills what role, what potential lane mates do as a champion, how to play decently without taking creep score, or kills, and how to build a champion with a limited supply of gold.

First of all; should. That means it's not a requirement.

Second; again, not taking kills (and CS, for that matter) is a courtesy, not a rule. If the bottom laner is away and I'm the only one who can take out a minion wave pressing tower, I'm taking the wave. They're not losing anything, and I'm getting more gold to use so that I don't have to have a strictly limited supply of gold.

So, if you flip your shit at seeing a Support with a CS score higher than 0, that's a you problem, not a Support problem.

its not something you just play, its something you have to dedicate yourself to.

It is just something you play. The game is just marginally different compared to other roles.

All said, maybe you should spend a few games playing Support, see what it's like - walk a mile in our shoes.

'Cause as it stands, you seem to have a critical misunderstanding of the role.

Terozu9/9/2018, 6:46:05 PM4 votes

Why are what appears to be your only support games... Veigar?

ToxicFatPleb9/9/2018, 8:35:46 PM4 votes

maybe dont be such a shitty bot laner .. its not the supports fault you suck.

Daikot is stupid9/9/2018, 8:18:20 PM3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grammaton Cleric,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Rf5ELGMW,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-09-09T15:56:55.395+0000) Fuq you all.

OK, we are up to good start already there, buckle up. This is gona be ride.

I'am sick and tired of you guys thinking you run bot lane, just because your an agressive support does not dictate that you run lane and are in charge. What does the word Support mean, by definition, since there is such a huge smattering of just straight trash supports who only do it, to secure kills and not care about the ADC or the role they chose. . .

In lower ELO, which is mine, I have to secure kills sometimes, because my ADC may be unable to do so, even tho i created enough oportunities for him to succed. So I even pick ignite sometimes instead of exhaust, if its viable considering teamcomps of the match.

I may have picked agressive supports in past, just to ensure easier objective capturing with pushing enemy lane too much, so our jungler can take care of dragon uninterrupted. Sometimes i pick agressive supports to deny farm and zone enemies.

A support is a champion who is not meant to get kills, but create opportunity to make kills. there are various ways, such as crowd control effects on enemies, separating/ moving someone out of position, healing/ giving whats necessary to an ally to keep them from dieing which allows them to deal more damage.

True, sometimes. I almost agree with you there, that needs a prize of some sort.

also, supports are meant to fill missing holes in team structure. if your team is lacking a tank, taric would be a good choice, if your team is lacking crowd control effects, janna would be a smart choice.

I had a very nice experience with that in the past. Especially with tanky supports, those all in types. Imagine the frustration, when you give your team several signals that you want to engage, while they dont want to. So you are delaying engage, and you delay it again and again and meanwhile your team is getting poked to death and is no longer in state of engage... and you are forced to engage anyway, just to save your teammates. Or, you can engage regardless of your team, half of them will run away, after you die, youll receive a several questionmark pings and someone very smart will type in chat:"Support is inting"

So filling holes is nice, but only few supports are jack of all trades and even tho is great to have tanky support, there are matchups, where you need a sustain, or poke support instead. So Im thrilled to read in prematch chat: "NO, PICK TANKY SUPPORT"

thirdly a support is meant to WORK WITH its lane-mate. for instance, if your team is lacking a tank an your laneing with graves, you would decide between taric, alastar, blitz, leona, and sejuani. now graves needs to be aggressive, so alastar would not work (he is great, but his knock back can easily remove the fight from graves), leona is a higher skill cap support but she would be very well suited for the situation, tarics passive on shater will help graves armor as well as tarics constant heal will allow for sustain. blitz will be able to grab an opponent, but at level six he can accidentally steal farm, and sejuani is full of crowd control abilities, but she is better built with health creating a bad support due to the fact that she will need farm if she wants to be useful late game. therefore your choices become: blitz, leona, and taric. and the support would probably chose according to who they are laneing against. if they are laneing against a gap closer, blitz wont work, if they are laneing against a lane with a soraka and an AP, tarics shatter passive wont help graves.

Well, for instance, I had whole one match with Graves on bot lane this season, we won game and lane, didnt picked anything what you mentioned up there, still won not because of synergy, but experience or... luck/skill.

Leona is a higher skill cap support

You lost me there fam, no offense to Leona mains.

good support should know who works best with who, who fills what role, what potential lane mates do as a champion, how to play decently without taking creep score, or kills, and how to build a champion with a limited supply of gold.

Good support is bored to death nowadays, especially after 8 years, cause he knows everything you mentioned above. Good support is trying to think out of the box and picks non meta crap, just to suprise his enemies and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. And guess what, when you win with something non very viable as support, it gets you fuzzy feeling inside and some joy, because you won against something more reliable and stronger than you. Because, for once, you played for fun... and we cant have that.

A support is not just someone who sits in a bush, they should be warding, harassing, and holding a lane when need be. its not something you just play, its something you have to dedicate yourself to.

Hoooooold the phone, did I just saw a word HARRASING in there? Doesnt harrasing involve agressive actions against someo.... MM MM NO NO NO, that would destroy your whole argument, lets not even touch that right?

So, next time you think, "huh, I think I want to play somebody super aggressive and see how many kills I can get support"

Man Im already afraid. Thought police is banging on my doors right now. They just ramming my dooors...

I say this, go "F" yourself therapeutically speaking of course.

Really wish I could, oh god they are here gtg guyz see ya lat...

Zombie Gerbil9/9/2018, 8:29:15 PM3 votes

I stopped reading after you said, "fuq you all". You lost all credibility of anyone ever taking you seriously or even have anyone remotely interested in reading what you have to say.

With that said, May the Supports continue to do what you hate!

Icy Hot Shoto9/9/2018, 9:13:10 PM3 votes

The fact you're blaming ALL support players, is highly sad.

The supports who only play for kills? They're not support mains. They're people who got auto-filled or who couldn't call the lane they wanted in time and got stuck support. They don't want the role, they will never want the role, they won't PLAY the role. They'll pick someone like Brand, Lux, Zyra, or Vel. They'll start the support item for the gold, and then build full damage and do everything they can to take kills.

The supports who ARE support mains? We can play our Janna's, Soraka's, and Sona's and help carry a team even without a tank or peel. Because we know how to play them, we know how they work. We know how to use them for peel, or how to use them as a tank(I do this with Soraka). We also, if more damage is needed, will play Lux or Karma. But will we build full damage? HELL NO! We will build support. Why? Because we can do it.

There's a difference between the support mains, and the people who don't get their role and are stuck as support. This thread is for the latter. Learn the difference.

LTBOUNTYHUNTER9/10/2018, 1:28:11 AM3 votes

Well sir, you don't have a good grasp of general bot lane, honestly you lost me at the part when you said Graves and sejuani is a popular bot lane pick. Maybe I misunderstood, but it seems like you have no idea what should be going on in bot lane.

S0kaX9/9/2018, 4:07:49 PM2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grammaton Cleric,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Rf5ELGMW,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-09-09T15:56:55.395+0000) "huh, I think I want to play somebody super aggressive and see how many kills I can get support."

So Pyke is not a support?

hrooza dota 9/9/2018, 11:34:49 PM2 votes

a support can kill in many cases where its fair and aggressive supp that can solo kill are still supports adc can easily farm minions btw you dont need kills as long as they dont still all your farms you should have enough gold from cs alone anyway (an aggressive supp simply make enemys have less farm by zoning giving you the advantage

filling holes is not supp job only all team should think their picks and also everyone should pick what their good at dont tell me to pick janna when im way better on leona

3rd go both ways its not supp job to pick whatever you want because you felt to go graves adc (wth) and if the person is bad on tanks should not be forced to play a tank because top/jg/mid feel to pick assassins only or whatever and for what laning against you should also think of that no matter what is your role is dont freaking pick ashe vs a rakan/yas lineup and then blame your supp for not picking tahm or something like that to save you when they dive

also for all classes not only supp should know their pick advantage/disadvantage and play around that and supp taking kills can easily be the fault of adc because i cant count how many times i toke a kill with summoner 14item 3151 scroch Leona WNami ulti(which i costed at the start of engage) ect ect and see ppl crying for ks

Uriel9/9/2018, 11:53:26 PM2 votes

When a support plays aggressive, it's not always to coax you into playing aggressive too. Supports can also play aggressive in order to chase/zone the enemy away from their farm, to let YOU farm undisturbedly.

Voldymort9/9/2018, 4:43:12 PM2 votes

Tl;dr

"A support is supposed to be the team and especially the adc's b!tch"

Rammus ok. If you say so...

Aneirin9/10/2018, 1:35:39 AM1 votes

Level 34 with a 27% winrate, and you're making threads telling people how to play?

Wizard Blaze9/10/2018, 1:12:59 AM1 votes

Calm down Himmler

JarodDempsey9/9/2018, 10:08:16 PM1 votes

As a sup main i can see where youre coming from. I have mained enchanters since supp lis fell out of viability a few years back but with the way the meta is going, damage is the only viable strategy. Enchanters are arguably the most antidamage class and theyve been nerfed into the ground while assasins are left to freely roam and fighters have had their dps/burst increased to that of assasins from years back. In this shitty meta, doing damage will inevitably get a support some kills but thats how it pretty much has to be in most elos to win because of how important dealing damage has become vs tanking and healing/shielding.

Mc Truck9/10/2018, 8:30:47 AM1 votes

Checked match history. You fon't look like a smurf and you will not improve.

Just to clarify - if we ever meet in soloq(which we, thankfully, won't), I'm not gonna be your bitch and I will try to carry your heavy Yasuo . But it might be too heavy.

HavokDash9/9/2018, 11:50:34 PM1 votes

ahh that feeling of vindication when everything I (as a support) have been saying about the ego and entitlement of adcs is summed up so wonderfully in one ass-grabbing post.

You expect support to bend over backward for you while you treat them like shit. Yeah, like thats gonna happen anytime soon. Want an example? Go punch your neighbor in the face, tell them how pathetic they are, then ask them to help you move a couch or something. See how willing they are to help you?