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The banning system has no logic in it

me op mid·7/22/2019, 11:36:06 AM·2 votes·2,544 views

I play this game for about two years and today was the first time i got a 10 games chat ban. on the first game i said the word "idiot" 5 times,4 times "trash" and one time "fucking" (the original sentence was "fucking vlad dmg" but the banning bot algorithm is poor so it cant understand the meaning behind it) second game i typed "pussy" 5 times (team was not doing anything, just staying behind afraid to fight but that doesnt matter), also i said one time "bad adc" and "shut up"... really "Bad" words. so if i got banned i came to a conclusion that the bot must count the "bad words" in the chat logs, thats the only way this really bad and poor algorithm works, if riot was actually good at programming they would program AI on the software and the bot could be able to understand what is the meaning behind every sentence, but riot is not a quality company like blizzard. so the bot just count words. since riot says u need to play to win to get honor up, i assume the word "surrender" can be scanned as bad. so i entered a game on my smurf, and spammed "surrender", for about 20 times. i played the game normally and didnt write anything else. at the end i got a warning...(since this is a lvl 15 smurf probably). conclusion: the system is very poor... what kind of stupid algorithm is that? literally counting "bad words" (i mean the word "idiot" is not even bad i dont believe anyone feels hurted after that, i wouldnt care if someone calls me an idiot the whole game, but words like kill your self can actually hurt. same goes for "shut up" and "trash") as a software engineering student, i dont understand why in 2019 riot doesnt use AI which is the normal algorithms nowadays. just a trash company, only if blizzard had this game...

31 Comments

zPOOPz7/22/2019, 11:53:59 AM11 votes

As a software engineering student, you probably should try to learn the system before talk like you know what it is.

ModThe Djinn7/22/2019, 1:10:01 PM7 votes

as a software engineering student, i dont understand why in 2019 riot doesnt use AI which is the normal algorithms nowadays.

Riot does use AI. The only time word-matching is used as a primary filter is if zero-tolerance behavior (hate speed, encouragements to self-harm) are involved.

That said, your chat logs make it immediately apparent that you're aiming at insulting people. Riot uses more than a word-match, but really you wouldn't need more than a word-match to tell from the frequency with which you use words like "trash," "idiot," and "pussies" that you're being insulting and abusive to your team. If this is behavior you feel should be acceptable, please find another game.

me op mid: idiot me op mid: fucking trash tryhards me op mid: trashes me op mid: plats and golds trashes me op mid: trash gold me op mid: IDIOT I HAVE 70 GAMES me op mid: YOU IDIOT me op mid: do u have anythning else to say you complete idiot me op mid: you suck dicks me op mid: everyone here suck me op mid: thank u idiots me op mid: trash me op mid: complete trash golds me op mid: that u are the one who wasting time here idiot me op mid: pussies me op mid: u pussy guys just watch me op mid: ur silver shut up me op mid: u are pussy team me op mid: you tryhard pussie me op mid: end the game pussies me op mid: but u guys suck hard me op mid: this pussy

In short, your log is very toxic. The fact that you'd rather attribute this to a bad detection system is a sign that you refuse to acknowledge that, in which case I would expect you to receive additional punishments once this one is over. All that happened here is that the AI caught you for a pretty problematic log that HAPPENS to repeat the same bad words frequently -- but a quick glance through these boards will show that it can pick up on a LOT more than just that.

BlueThingamajig7/22/2019, 12:07:03 PM4 votes

Your whole premise is "I think this is how the system works. I invented data to confirm my own biases; therefore my biases were confirmed."

Fortunately for you, the system is far more nuanced than "counting bad words". It does take into account the context of the sentence. And pretty much every single sentence was punishable both by a 'context of the sentence' system and by your own 'here's the strawman I made up' system.

Let's look at your logs. Here are the only two lines you said that were not harassing another player.

me op mid: who cares me op mid: i paly for fun

Literally every other line of text was in some way a violation of the summoner's code. Stop flaming teammates and opponents. Also, swearing by itself is not against the rules. You can swear if you fucking want to. This, however:

me op mid: fucking trash tryhards

Is not saying "fucking vlad damage", which would not be punishable by itself.

With regards to the "surrender" spam, absolutely. You're deliberately being obnoxious to teammates. Don't deliberately be obnoxious to teammates.

Pxerkza7/22/2019, 11:41:57 AM4 votes

go play blizzard games i've played since season 2 i've personally never been even chat restricted and i've said worse things

the difference being i say those things once or twice a month and you probably get reported on a daily basis

CharDeeMcDenniz7/22/2019, 11:38:50 AM3 votes

seems like this belongs here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/rant

KFCeytron7/22/2019, 12:26:20 PM3 votes

All of your behavior was very bad all the time and I'm actually surprised that this is the first time you've been punished if you make a habit of chatting like you did in these logs.

EvilDustMan7/22/2019, 1:55:47 PM3 votes

It's not that people are saddened or hurt by your insults. It is more that people are irritated. Irritation still causes stress, so you are making an already stressful situation more stressful.

It is not your job to point out percieved mistakes. Just play.

Fönikku7/22/2019, 11:56:50 AM2 votes

Borderline toxic, you spent time insuting and rank-shaming instead of encouraging & giving positive calls for your teammates. I don't see that the banning system failed. You deserved it.

Luther King Jr V7/22/2019, 12:37:48 PM1 votes

The system is poorly designed but ironically it's effective at dealing with people who are regularly abusive

I think that shouldn't be enough we need a second separate system adjacent to the old one that deals with people who are rarely toxic so riot won't be sending the ugly message that being toxic once a month is ok

Also integrating some context to both of them would be nice we are not bots to be punished by bots, we are humans context matters

I think the human reviewed cases are rare and they don't care about context even then lmao so it's no different than being banned by bots this needs to change

Upgrades7/22/2019, 11:39:03 AM1 votes

Post the chat logs

hrooza dota 7/22/2019, 2:06:35 PM1 votes

i say fucking all the fucking time, thats not why you are punished.