One of the biggest things that killed my trust in the report system

Marshbouy·12/18/2016, 4:13:35 PM·22 votes·1,689 views

is the fact that a few months ago I was not punished, even with a small chat ban. I used to be super toxic, I think I afked after raging at my team at least 3 times in a week. After I would cool down and go do something else, I always feared the impending punishments. But they never came, ever. This really hurt my trust in the report system. Anyone who looked at my chat logs would realize I was being incredibly toxic. The only things I didn't call my teammates were the big no no words, the ones that get censored with % on the boards. Eventually I cleaned up my act, now I rarely say anything toxic except for maybe a sarcastic "GJ Yasuo" when they dive 1v3 and die.

I seriously question if reporting people does anything anymore.

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Kid Sicarus12/18/2016, 9:14:59 PM15 votes

I'm sorry but personally I think that the LoL punishment system enables poor behavior, internet trolling, and cyber bullying. Most of what Ulanopo has said is good, great, and grand when taken at face value. However there are several areas where they (Riot) fail to understand that their system simply does not EFFECTIVELY eliminate the gross, inherently racist, overly-negative people who really don't care from their community.

For instance, there is no feedback from the report system save a message saying someone was punished based on your report. Ok great, but what about the guy that called someone a ni**er in my last game? I received no message about him. What about the kid who called me gay, a retard, and a fuckwit the next game? No feedback either.

Second, the punishments themselves have no foundation with which to fall back on. Seems like the primary focus is business, not the community. I say this because if you look at Riot's progressive punishment plan, it starts with a 10 game chat ban. You can still play the game, you're just very limited in chat. From there it moves to a 25 game chat ban, and then onto the actual suspensions.

Here we see the flaw by simply viewing it in the objective sense rather than subjectively. You get a chat ban, whoopdie-doo, you'll be back after 10 quick ARAMs to call someone else a douchewaffle or a dungbiscuit because they didn't gank when you wanted them to gank. Same with the 25 game chat ban. However, the real slap in the face to the generally polite comes with the permanent suspensions. Ok so you permanently banned my account, well I'll just create another email address and make another account. Guess what, I'm back to being a 12 year old kid daddy didn't love enough, using my superior vocabulary to torment relatively nice people while they attempt to play a game to relieve some stress. Riot has no outlet for permanently discarding or rehabilitating the people who do not feel the need to "clean up their act".

Furthermore, the justice is skewed. I have experienced this personally. I was in a game where I started 0/6, had a horrible start. I got dogpiled on by 4 other people. I was called retarded, gay, %%%got, worthless, piece of shit, you name it, it was there, verbatim. FYI that's not a bad day Ulanopo, that's being a natural asshole. So I started to defend myself. I had begun to turn things around in game, and I can admit, I became super toxic in retaliation, and my reason is because even as I took the lead in CS and kills, they still didn't stop calling me names and flaming me. Yes I could have muted them all, but the double standard should work in my favor as well in that THEY could have muted me. Turns out most of my toxic teammates reported me. I reported each one of them. The result? No feedback on any of them being punished, but I got a 10 game chat ban and a convenient reminder every time I logged on to clean up my behavior, to which I had to click "I understand". So, objectively these 4 people were basically told it was ok to dogpile someone having a bad game and then be vindicated through this ridiculous report system when that person has had enough. This shouldn't be the standard anywhere.

The problem is right there in Ulanopo's reply. Triggering a review is difficult if you don't report someone. So when 4 people pile on and report you, it triggers a review against you. If you are the only one reporting them, it appears to do nothing. Designed to give players some slack? Where was my slack when you only sent me a copy of what I said in that game? Why weren't the other 4 people who were negatively affecting gameplay in the chat text? Was I talking to myself? Did I click the report button for no reason? You're not showing decent players any justice like that. NO ONE should ever be expected to accept that type of behavior and language directed at them just because you have installed a mute function in your game and sprinkled a few conduct rules on your EULA. I will probably get a 25 game chat ban if I ever experience that type of flaming or bullying again.

It's not perfect, and it never will be. I suppose it must be deemed as an acceptable side effect of having a worldwide, millions+ community. As of right now, this report system is a joke. There is no justice, and there is no TANGIBLE consequence. That's why most people are saying things like "go ahead and report me" in game. It's like a wrist slap. They know they can go be assholes on their smurfs.

Being in the military, I am not one to bring a complaint to the boss without having a solution or an idea to toss on the table. As a suggestion, change one of the chat bans to a store ban, i.e. you can't buy anything (IP or RP) for 10 days if you've been a dick. Deny RP/IP accrual. Deny party queuing. Put in a negative experience initiative, where you lose levels for being a toolbag. If they are always going to be able to play through smurfs or regulated chat (aside from permanent bans), dump on their ACTUAL gameplay like they have ours. Things like that would totally show the community you're trying to make it better.

Thanks.

ModUlanopo12/18/2016, 5:43:51 PM10 votes

I think there are three things most people don't realize about Riot's behavior systems:

  • They're designed to give players some slack.
  • They're designed to prioritize false negatives over false positives.
  • They're designed to adapt to the community and sub-community.

If people don't report you, it's much more difficult to trigger a review and that's intentional. Sometimes, tempers are going to flare. Riot understands that. People who are aware they're being toxic and care about it almost always overestimate their toxicity. Introspection leads to observation bias.

You also cleaned up your act. Something like two-thirds of the toxicity in League comes from ordinary people simply having a bad day. The behavior systems look for persistent or highly toxic behavior. Again, someone who is thinking about what they do and how it affects other people isn't likely to be toxic enough to trigger a review.

Reports work. You have only look at all the posts on this board crying about a ban to see that they do.

Sraeg201312/18/2016, 9:58:43 PM6 votes

I lost my trust in the report system when back in May 2015 I got spammed with chat restrictions for 16 months.

You'd say it was deserved, but when I kept my cool and purposely only wrote positive things in the chat for all 160 games of one of my restrictions and then got rewarded with 620 more games.

What's the fucking difference then?

Ironically my restrictions ended when I came back to my May 2015 self, making sarcastic remarks, not shying away from calling people idiots when they obviously were idiots and more often than not, calling out to people for their uselessness.

The only restriction I got since was for over-using the "f*got" word for like a whole day in at least 5 games.

420 grams12/18/2016, 4:48:36 PM5 votes

I had someone repeatedly call me the n word as well as very many other things that I thought just wouldn't be tolerated. They never got punished. Feels bad man. Since then I don't waste my time reporting because if everything that person said wasn't bannable, then nothing is.

Rank Battery12/19/2016, 12:24:10 AM3 votes

Personally, I don't care what people type in chat or say to each other. The only toxicity I care about is trolling, AFKing, inting, and generally anything that hinders my gameplay. If someone is saying super toxic things but playing well, I don't care at all. That's why the mute function exists

TheGr8WhiteD12/19/2016, 3:35:47 AM2 votes

Honestly, the single biggest problem in the report system is the lack of feedback. Why in the fuck does Riot expect me to write out a paragraph, citing quotes of what a person did, going into detail just to make them go through the logs, when I have absolutely no way of knowing if it did anything? Why should i bother reporting someone If i have no idea if it did anything?

If there is no direct personal incentive to do something, which would infact benefit a party (Riot), yet said party does nothing to tell you your actions were even acknowledged...why bother?

Junkο12/18/2016, 5:23:25 PM2 votes

Same, the worst I ever got was a lower priority queue, but that's automatic if you leave enough, and even then it took me 2 games in the same day to get punished.

Troll for Trump12/19/2016, 12:28:40 AM2 votes

Most of the time, people aren't just inherently toxic. They don't usually just come in branding flaming pitchforks and raging at everyone. It's often because of some gameplay aspect. Because people always naturally think only about themselves, they will get triggered when people don't do things around them, which in turn triggers everyone else, because they feel that person isn't playing around them.

There are other cases too. This week, because of apoor early game, I had to 1v5. Nothing I could do about that. I can't AFK. I can't rage. I can't do a thing in game.

Had a 4v5, where the person afk'd in the middle, and sat running around in the nexus. No remake, No AFKing, No complaining(too toxic apprantly) nothing to do. It's a loss, and we can't do sht about it.

Just had a game earlier where there was an int feeding "support ashe" who was roaming everywhere and just trolling. You can't do sht about that.

Things you can't control will lead to negative responces. The behavior of teammates, how good they are at the game, etc.

S0kaX12/18/2016, 4:15:56 PM1 votes

Same, altough I didn't call people things censored with % I was still pretty toxic and I was more than sure I would get banned, but nope. Now I don't flame. Also my friend is REALLY toxic and he even trolled in a game, and I reported him and nothing.

ModRito Wuks8/28/2017, 7:02:18 AM1 votes

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Danjeng12/18/2016, 4:39:28 PM1 votes

Never knew there were censors. Just typed some words to test them out.

Dominick Destine12/19/2016, 12:26:55 AM1 votes

You must be severely exaggerating the egregiousness of your offenses.

Occam's Razor.

23504888DEL112/19/2016, 3:28:02 AM1 votes

I got a message from riot several times that my report resulted in a punishment of whoever i reported so i guess they get punished, but only with a several game chat restrictions. and to be honest i don't think the harsher punishments are really needed.

Blu3Wulf12/19/2016, 4:15:33 AM1 votes

You are absolutely right. Businesses like Riot Games have God to deal with in the end. They are worse than pedophiles. The gaming industry will go down in flames because these people rob the poor and make the poor WORK for FUN in a video game. These people were either raised by jews or they are nazis. They are useless living creatures, and like I said, God will eat these people in Hell. These businesses ruin the personality of life. These corporate nutjobs will all face God in their own heads when they die, and the ethics that drives this Universe will plunge these corrupted fowl beings for eternity in blood and fire.

See you in Hell Wolfboys, the Lion waits for it's tasteless food.

LeGaLiZeiT42112/19/2016, 4:21:52 PM1 votes

IT DOES !!! BEEN SUSPENDED 3 TIMES!!!! 14 DAYS A POP!!!!! IT CHANGED ME!!!! I'VE SPENT WAY TO MUCH MONEY TO LOSE MY ACCOUNT !! NOW I JUST /MUTE ALL AND NEVER LOOK BACK OR CARE 90% OF THE COMMUNITY HAS NOTHING POSITIVE TO SAY ANYWAY.......... I AM NOT MISSING ANYTHING ...............BUT BANS................

coreychichi12/19/2016, 4:47:55 PM1 votes

My friend is toxic as all hell and he got a perma on an account he had for years and put a lot of money into. So i guess it works just takes too long maybe idk.

barbarianskull12/19/2016, 9:13:51 PM1 votes

It's always the yasuos