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Why isn't there a Perma-Mute rather than a perma ban?

Banned B4 Lv30·1/4/2020, 11:19:26 AM·2 votes·2,475 views

So a lot of kids will go on here, spend potentially 100s of dollars on random shit, then wake up to their account being permanently banned cuz they were tilted the other night and told someone they sucked (super toxic they deserved it and so much more I know). They are going to be extremely upset. They spent stupid amounts of time into that account, and bam, it's gone. However, as devastating as that might be, 99% of those kids will just create a new account or buy a new one. I don't understand why Riot has to basically rob their clients knowing they will just create a new account anyway.

Giving someone a permanent mute should be the final punishment. That account is no longer able to talk. Now if the account is literally running it down mid and going 0/19 then I can see a perma ban. However, if their main problem is that they get tilted and start flaming people, I don't see why you shouldn't just permanently mute them.

I personally have never spent a dime on League, nor will I EVER. Mostly because this company will rob you of your money and tell you to fuck yourself without thinking twice. But I definitely feel for the people that lose hundreds of dollars in content just because someone probably purposely tilted them and they bit and overreacted.

Permanent muting, or permanent restriction of chat should be the final straw. I really dont see how Riot can literally take your account away besides just telling their customers they couldnt give a single fuck about them, which seems to be the case.

20 Comments

TrikzterzArma1/4/2020, 11:23:30 AM12 votes

How many times to we have to say this? Riot had perma chatbans years back. It didn't work. Because guess what? Those who got those chatbans found other ways to be toxic. They would for example just int instead.

Honestly I don't give a shit how much money someone has put in their game. They had MANY chances to stop their dumb attitude. Serveral warnings of "stop being immature or you will get permanent punished". 10 game chatrestriction, 25 game chatrestriction, and then a 14 days ban. Literally several chances to better their attitude. If somebody is still stupid enough not to take the hint that they should stop being toxic, they deserve a perma ban

Timethief491/4/2020, 11:26:02 AM7 votes

Cause they tried that with infinetly stacking chat restrictions. This resulted in an increase in trolls and inters. Those are harder to detect so there were more ruined games. So riot decided its not worth giving people that don't want to play by the rules more chances and introduced the system with permabans. You dont understand how they can just take your account? Weil on the legal side its not your account, its riots. On the, lets das moral side (not really happy with that definition), they would rather have 99% of their customers happy that there are less flamers than have that 1% more players but 99% unhappy (iirc permabanned accounts is mich lower than 1% nur this is more for visualization).

Arammus1/4/2020, 11:43:19 AM3 votes

as ppl alrdy said, riot did this and ppl just started to troll or said "well now i cant chat anymore, might aswell troll"

technically you can mute yourself by just turning off team and all chat. then you cant write anymore.

Agent Corgi1/4/2020, 7:57:29 PM2 votes

TrikzterzArma pretty much hit the nail right on the head. Permanent Chat Restrictions did exist, however players used other means to be toxic such as Inting or Trolling teammates (ie following the allied jungler around and stealing their camps).

Did Perma Chat Bans work for some people? Probably. However there was a vast majority that proved more or less that it was an ineffective tool to combat toxicity. This is why they choose to permaban people instead of perma chatban them.

There is an option that was recently added that functions like a chatban & can be accessed in the client options menu. Disabling your Allied Chat removes your ability to see ally chat & your ability to reply to it.

Upgrades1/7/2020, 3:19:47 AM2 votes

Or how about you just learn to control yourself and stop being so emotional towards these random online people telling you that you are feeding or whatever dumb thing they're saying. Just mute them and continue play. Problem solved, you avoided a potential punishment by avoiding a flame war

Tele II1/6/2020, 11:08:26 PM2 votes

I see others have already explained how they used to and it worked horribly with players resorting to trolling, which everyone hates more than toxic chat, and takes much more time and work to moderate.

Modi1/4/2020, 9:48:12 PM1 votes

From Riot Tantram:

It really breaks down into two categories.

1.) Helping players reform 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost.

We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.

We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it.

We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling.

The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS.

So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat?